Since the Xerox Campus proposal from Trammel Crow is so much different than the dense urban project of De La Vega and are two projects right next to each other yet on the same thread, I created a new thread to discuss this development and not the utter POS suburban garbage TC wants to build next to this.
Some background info. FAA Height Request
Work Schedule: 08/13/2018 to 02/10/2020
Structure Type: Building
Structure Name: Point 3
Proposed
Site Elevation: 517
Structure Height:560
Total Height (AMSL):1077
DPatel304 wrote:Thanks! I actually had not realize these were two separate developments (clearly I wasn't following either development that closely).
Same here, was surprised to see the new Crow project pop up. So we will have a textbook example of good and bad projects sitting right next to each other. I can see it now, a fast food drive through literally next to a 40 story tower.
DPatel304 wrote:Thanks! I actually had not realize these were two separate developments (clearly I wasn't following either development that closely).
Same here, was surprised to see the new Crow project pop up. So we will have a textbook example of good and bad projects sitting right next to each other. I can see it now, a fast food drive through literally next to a 40 story tower.
Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol
Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol
This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.
Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol
This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.
Warrior2015 wrote:Houston won't be walkable or urban at all in our lifetime. Not trying to bash, but our urban core is far better. Absolutely no one walks in Houston, it's far more suburban in their urban core and midtown is overrated and dead for the most part. Being there made me appreciate dallas lol
This is like 1 midget bragging about being taller than another midget. Not much to brag about.
Have you been to inner loop Houston ?
My spouse's family is from Houston. So yeah, Prolly more than most. Both cities are not walkable and not very urban is my point.
Downtown Houston does feel a little more "filled in" than Downtown Dallas, but actually ranks lower in terms of walkable amenities. "Filled in" could mean a bunch of fortress skyscrapers or bland parking garages in the case of DT Houston. Regardless, both downtowns are more similar to each other than different. Now when you pull in areas like Uptown, Deep Ellum, Jefferson Blvd in Oak Cliff, Knox St and try to compare them to Houston equivalents, Dallas definitely comes out ahead in pedestrian friendliness.
mcrdal15 wrote:Downtown Houston does feel a little more "filled in" than Downtown Dallas, but actually ranks lower in terms of walkable amenities. "Filled in" could mean a bunch of fortress skyscrapers or bland parking garages in the case of DT Houston. Regardless, both downtowns are more similar to each other than different. Now when you pull in areas like Uptown, Deep Ellum, Jefferson Blvd in Oak Cliff, Knox St and try to compare them to Houston equivalents, Dallas definitely comes out ahead in pedestrian friendliness.
It's the usual. They throw up some signs and if they are lucky enough they will sign the tenants they need to get the construction loan. Firewheel Mall had signs up for decades announcing a mall that changed from a traditional indoor mall to an outdoor mall but eventually did get built. The number of Turtle Creek Condo developments that make it on a sign but never beyond that stage is the areas life story. Good to see they are publicly announcing the project though. Call me when core samples are being drilled.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”
cowboyeagle05 wrote:It's the usual. They throw up some signs and if they are lucky enough they will sign the tenants they need to get the construction loan. Firewheel Mall had signs up for decades announcing a mall that changed from a traditional indoor mall to an outdoor mall but eventually did get built. The number of Turtle Creek Condo developments that make it on a sign but never beyond that stage is the areas life story. Good to see they are publicly announcing the project though. Call me when core samples are being drilled.
All true. And even more concerning... from their website, it appears this developer has no experience with developments of this type.
Trammel Crow who owns the surrounding land has experience building denser urban developments and they want to build suburban crap around this site and this developer has no experience in projects of this scale is going for the big time. I am cheering for Del La Vega on this one.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”
