Retail, Garage, Hotel, & Apts.R1070 wrote:So this will just be a parking garage with retail and no hotel or apt highrises?
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I was told by the Merc leasing staff a couple weeks ago that the Royal Blue is already under construction, FWIW. Also, in Austin there are Royal Blues that operate very close to each other on the same streets downtown.cowboyeagle05 wrote:There are two rumors on the Royal Blue Grocery story. The biggest point in the story is that Royal Blue has not confirmed a thing and has stayed somewhat mum on where they are going in Downtown. The Merc location was announced because they were asking for an opinion from the historical board about their exterior concepts on a historical building. It was not a formal proposal for approval so we don't really have confirmation. One rumor is that it will only be at Trammel Crow and the Merc lost out in the negotiations. The other rumor is they will open both and no it's not weird that they would be so close by. Royal Blue isn't like a big grocery store they tend to open like 7-Eleven in places reasonably close by if the market is strong enough. I bet Trammel Crow Towers owners are subsidizing the Ross Avenue location by reduced rent while the Merc location is meant to go after the obvious main street business plus residential that is centralized along Main Street.
The Merc is building out the retail infrastructure needed either way to sign leases so the construction there is not dependent on Royal Blue happening either.
The Merc location would be much more successful than at TC. I work (and soon will return to living) Downtown and Main and Elm are the real moneymakers when it comes to dining and shopping. Places there are packed to the gills during lunch. To get decent non work hour sales, Royal Blue would need to be near downtown residents and the Merc is pretty much the epicenter of the residential population downtown. Trammel Crow, not so much. They would have to rely on TC building office workers for the majority of their sales.
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I suspect that the Royal Blue at TCC will be like a flagship-size location that feeds the much smaller location at Mercantile. The TCC location should do fine with people working in the Arts District while the Merc gets hotel and residential customers. I like it.
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Thanks for the confirmation Matt77. As far as I have found they never got their final design approved on the exterior modifications for the Royal Blue at the Merc.Last I checked all the construction docs posted on the windows last month are for the retail space access corridors they have to build out to even make the retail space viable for multiple tenants. So I wasn't sure if they actually confirmed Royal Blue there was happening or not. They will do amazing on Main Street from office workers and residents.
Also Lakewoodhobo I agree. The Trammel Crow Tower location is an amenity that they wanted badly for their tenant retainment much like Starbucks was for most of these 80's office towers all through the early 2000's. Largely subsidized to make sure they have a coffee shop bullet point on marketing materials. Having a corner market type store that doesn't attract homeless is an attractive bullet point for any office building.
Also Lakewoodhobo I agree. The Trammel Crow Tower location is an amenity that they wanted badly for their tenant retainment much like Starbucks was for most of these 80's office towers all through the early 2000's. Largely subsidized to make sure they have a coffee shop bullet point on marketing materials. Having a corner market type store that doesn't attract homeless is an attractive bullet point for any office building.
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With respect to Royal Blue at the Merc - no CO has been applied for although one has been for Verizon that is pending final inspection.
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Apartment leasing staff can be a lot like certain condo developers. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.Matt777 wrote:I was told by the Merc leasing staff a couple weeks ago that the Royal Blue is already under construction, FWIW.cowboyeagle05 wrote:There are two rumors on the Royal Blue Grocery story. The biggest point in the story is that Royal Blue has not confirmed a thing and has stayed somewhat mum on where they are going in Downtown. The Merc location was announced because they were asking for an opinion from the historical board about their exterior concepts on a historical building. It was not a formal proposal for approval so we don't really have confirmation. One rumor is that it will only be at Trammel Crow and the Merc lost out in the negotiations. The other rumor is they will open both and no it's not weird that they would be so close by. Royal Blue isn't like a big grocery store they tend to open like 7-Eleven in places reasonably close by if the market is strong enough. I bet Trammel Crow Towers owners are subsidizing the Ross Avenue location by reduced rent while the Merc location is meant to go after the obvious main street business plus residential that is centralized along Main Street.
The Merc is building out the retail infrastructure needed either way to sign leases so the construction there is not dependent on Royal Blue happening either.
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Is this in phases or all together?Jasimm wrote:Retail, Garage, Hotel, & Apts.R1070 wrote:So this will just be a parking garage with retail and no hotel or apt highrises?
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The apartments may take a while....
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I hope they at least build the hotel, great location for it.
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I agree. The hotel should go up and then the apts can follow as the market allows. I think the apts would actually do really well if built now though.
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Still rooting for the Mandarin Oriental to complement the Crow Collection.
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That would be a really good idea...talk about synergies! hahawillyk wrote:Still rooting for the Mandarin Oriental to complement the Crow Collection.
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The *.pdf link that J Soto shared upthread (https://shopcompanies.com/sites/default ... ebsite.pdf) shows on page 7 that the residential component appears left out of the quality visuals in this round, but, is in the proposed final site plans and the basic massing visual (which also confirms that the residential component appears segregated by it continuing all the way to the street level and separate from the main components).
Instead, it's a garden area along Olive and the M-Line Urban Circulator tracks with probably/maybe the garage access on a two-way driveway via Olive. The site layout shows if/when the residential tower is added, leasing office parking has a designated space on the first floor within shell of main garage. I imagine the rest of the residential parking will be under the residences w/same main garage access, but, spots segregated from the rest of the main site shell with a Ross/Olive retail slot continuing along ground floor with an open-air slot between what would be the already existing corner-retail and it; and, also retail at San Jacinto/Olive corner. Neither of those appear they will be in the first phase since they sit under the residential tower.
It checks with chart, too, since I walk by this site Olive side in the AM and Harwood side in the PM every day. All the staging, materials, equipment, offices, and even still some old parking lot surface covers about the same amount of space along Olive between San Jacinto and Ross that the garden area/residential tower would cover. There is a hole at the San Jacinto/Harwood corner, however, that may just be related to services and whatnot.
So, basically, on page 5 - everything above the big dotted circles (not the dotted lines).
Instead, it's a garden area along Olive and the M-Line Urban Circulator tracks with probably/maybe the garage access on a two-way driveway via Olive. The site layout shows if/when the residential tower is added, leasing office parking has a designated space on the first floor within shell of main garage. I imagine the rest of the residential parking will be under the residences w/same main garage access, but, spots segregated from the rest of the main site shell with a Ross/Olive retail slot continuing along ground floor with an open-air slot between what would be the already existing corner-retail and it; and, also retail at San Jacinto/Olive corner. Neither of those appear they will be in the first phase since they sit under the residential tower.
It checks with chart, too, since I walk by this site Olive side in the AM and Harwood side in the PM every day. All the staging, materials, equipment, offices, and even still some old parking lot surface covers about the same amount of space along Olive between San Jacinto and Ross that the garden area/residential tower would cover. There is a hole at the San Jacinto/Harwood corner, however, that may just be related to services and whatnot.
So, basically, on page 5 - everything above the big dotted circles (not the dotted lines).
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Just looked this one over, and, even though in earlier pages the *.pdf shows proposed visuals of hotel/residential included - page 25 shows no residential tower. In it's place is the garden area that extends only to the driveway and then a surface parking area.
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http://www.trammellcrowcenter.com/wp-co ... ackage.pdf
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I always find it funny when I see these developments like this and the Richards Group buildings that have HUGE parking garages, but still feel the need to put in surface parking. Just make the first of level or two of the garage for visitors and deliveries.
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^ Yep. And the sad thing is those visitor parking spaces in the Richards Group building stay empty for most business hours.
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What's going on with this site? I pass by it nearly every day and for the past few weeks I have seen practically no work being done.
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Although I am not in the construction biz.... what I have heard from folks that are say that there is such a demand for construction materials, workers, and even construction cranes you can have all the funding in place for new projects but have to wait until you can get a construction team in place to do the job. Since the current administration ( Trump ) is wanting to send all the "non documented" workers back to Mexico ( or wherever ) away it has sent a message to go home... and they are.
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There is certainly work being done on this site. My office window looks directly over the site from 2100 Ross. I see the construction crane moving all day long, trucks and machinery pushing dirt, and whistles being blown. The noise can be distracting at times. It has been raining a lot lately so that certainly slowed things down but I can confirm there is work being done here. Can't speak to whether they are down workers and what not.
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Well they seem to be focusing on the hole they have been digging on the back San Jacinto corner of this project. I think the slow down is simply because they haven't focused on the above ground part recently. For clarity the hole is on part of the land marked for a residential phase if that phase ever comes to fruition.
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I think this project has a great potential to help this end of the DMA too. the big open space at this end of the building is not as dramatic due to how open the area is... with a building across the street i think it will really help.
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I was excited about this project, but I'm not anymore. It seems like it's just going to be a glorified parking garage.
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I've been saying that since the Beginning.R1070 wrote:I was excited about this project, but I'm not anymore. It seems like it's just going to be a glorified parking garage.
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The hotel is confirmed, right, but the residential tower is 'at a future date?"
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Indeed, about the residential tower.
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Hotel confirmed? I thought not.tamtagon wrote:The hotel is confirmed, right, but the residential tower is 'at a future date?"
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What a crock of crap! Is this the same work group that bluffed the world a mixed use, urban-pedestrian Citiplace Sam's Club then tried to deliver the exurban edge drive-thru boilerplate.... doing it again with the garage pedestal supporting a 250 key luxury hotel tower and a luxury residential tower?
Crow is a name that carries a lot of weight in this town, and with it should come an equal responsibility. If you're going to dazzle us with the possibilities, you should be bound to tell us precisely what you're actually planning. Infuriating.
Crow is a name that carries a lot of weight in this town, and with it should come an equal responsibility. If you're going to dazzle us with the possibilities, you should be bound to tell us precisely what you're actually planning. Infuriating.
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No, it is not the same group. Trammell Crow has nothing to do with this project, or the tower across the street that merely carries the TC name (for the positive reasons you cited).tamtagon wrote:What a crock of crap! Is this the same work group that bluffed the world a mixed use, urban-pedestrian Citiplace Sam's Club then tried to deliver the exurban edge drive-thru boilerplate.... doing it again with the garage pedestal supporting a 250 key luxury hotel tower and a luxury residential tower?
Crow is a name that carries a lot of weight in this town, and with it should come an equal responsibility. If you're going to dazzle us with the possibilities, you should be bound to tell us precisely what you're actually planning. Infuriating.
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Garage, hotel, and retail...it's still mixed use, even if the residential portion doesn't get built. Plus, I have a good feeling the residential will actually happen so I wouldn't worry.tamtagon wrote:What a crock of crap! Is this the same work group that bluffed the world a mixed use, urban-pedestrian Citiplace Sam's Club then tried to deliver the exurban edge drive-thru boilerplate.... doing it again with the garage pedestal supporting a 250 key luxury hotel tower and a luxury residential tower?
Crow is a name that carries a lot of weight in this town, and with it should come an equal responsibility. If you're going to dazzle us with the possibilities, you should be bound to tell us precisely what you're actually planning. Infuriating.
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The positive is they are building in the support structures for both mixed-use towers and plan to lease up retail space along the bottom. Much better than what some developers are doing Downtown. Do I wish they would put more of the parking underground, yep totally. This doesn't seem like the worst thing built in Downtown in the last year either.
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Thanks for the correction!Pike5370 wrote:No, it is not the same group. Trammell Crow has nothing to do with this project, or the tower across the street that merely carries the TC name (for the positive reasons you cited).
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This is the biggest garage, I've been able to watch it go up for six months now and they are only on level 3, maybe 4 with two levels left to go. This will be an absolute ton of parking space when completed. Can't wait to see what happens when they reach the top of the garage just to see if they keep going up for the hotel.
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curious is this parking plans for the "future residential tower" and hotel or not...?
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There is enough parking for all of it plus the Trammel Crow tower across the street.tamtagon wrote:curious is this parking plans for the "future residential tower" and hotel or not...?
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Why is this taking so long to build?
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Maybe not enough construction worker help? There are other factors that are snags in a project, like lining up enough bank financing, accidents/incidents (like the fire at the DTD Hampton/AC/Residence Inn's upcoming parking garage, or the fire in the building where the DTD Homewood Suites went in), or intricacy of what will be built. No telling what could be going on.
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Well, it is a massive garage. Takes up a fairly significant amount of surface area but they did seem slow for a while when they dug a huge hole in one corner of the site for a few weeks.
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Maybe by the dual towers design will go away with this one, I'm getting kinda tired of that anyway. Lets get some new architecture into the hotel, office and/or residential that'll eventually perch atop the parking retail base.
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Whoa! That parking garage is going to be massive! Now, I’m not too sure if this is going to turnout good...maconahey wrote:
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It looks like the tower itself will better interact with the street than I expected. Sweet!
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Why is this project taking so incredibly long?
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I thought it was going to be a garage? They confirmed they were goin through with hotel?eburress wrote:It looks like the tower itself will better interact with the street than I expected. Sweet!
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My thoughts too.joshua.dodd wrote:Why is this project taking so incredibly long?
Maybe, the big ass parking garage is taking a little long to construct. I’m just tryna figure out, what will they do with all the parking spaces, if self driving cars take off? Heck, I feel like it should be a requirement that all new parking garages should be able to be converted to other uses (if the stucture’s use as a parking garage is no longer needed).
I like the development, just not the massive parking garage.
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It actually looks like the garage has picked up some speed the last month or so, they are on level four now.
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Setting the supports for level five this week.