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Stumbled upon this earlier today.

https://merriman-maa.com/portfolio/case ... chitecture

Can't find much else about the protect but it looks to be about 70-80 stories. Would LOVE to see that kind of hight on the east side of Downtown!!
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MRLOUDAL wrote: 30 Jul 2024 12:59 Stumbled upon this earlier today.

https://merriman-maa.com/portfolio/case ... chitecture

Can't find much else about the protect but it looks to be about 70-80 stories. Would LOVE to see that kind of hight on the east side of Downtown!!
I counted 80...impressive.
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Wowza!
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The land owners appear to be a (fairly modest-sized) real estate investment and development firm.

None of their featured projects are anythere near this scale.

Hmm...
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Dallas_Uptown wrote: 30 Jul 2024 14:04 The land owners appear to be a (fairly modest-sized) real estate investment and development firm.

None of their featured projects are anythere near this scale.

Hmm...
They could be going into business with a larger firm or selling the property outright. I remember there was a smaller proposal of two-towers around 35 to 40 stories in that same area a couple of years ago, but nothing ever developed. Is this the same property?
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The renderings on the website look impressive, like this would really tower over downtown.
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rono3849 wrote: 30 Jul 2024 15:21
Dallas_Uptown wrote: 30 Jul 2024 14:04 The land owners appear to be a (fairly modest-sized) real estate investment and development firm.

None of their featured projects are anythere near this scale.

Hmm...
They could be going into business with a larger firm or selling the property outright. I remember there was a smaller proposal of two-towers around 35 to 40 stories in that same area a couple of years ago, but nothing ever developed. Is this the same property?
No, I think you're referring to the Todd Interests 47 story residential tower. Dubbed the isosceles. That property was on 2222 Main St. This is nearby tho.
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Sweet vaporware
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Tivo_Kenevil wrote: 30 Jul 2024 16:53 Sweet vaporware
I have to agree. I don’t see this happening…but if it does, I’ll be shocker for sure
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Looks very NYC-like with the architecture and elegance. Really nice looking tower if built.
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Why can't we ever have just ONE of these goddam jerkoff fantasies? I do not understand this endless flow of renderings never-to-be when examples of the best of them are getting built everywhere else. Oh that's right, we love 1970's glass boxes. And they certainly meet the bottom line mentality of most of this town's 'developers.' Rant over!
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rono3849 wrote: 30 Jul 2024 13:48 Wowza!
:shock:
Very impressive, game changer for the East Quarter, deep ellum even!.
Just strap some LEDS on those vertical pin stripes and im very happy with this design.
It looks so much better than the waterline tower in Austin (aka the tallest tower in Texas).
Not to mention the street level interaction and how it integrates with existing design in the area.

Also reposting pictures from the websiteabove:
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roherman.towers.dallas.eastside.jpeg
This is the proposed development by Roherman Properties on Elm Street & Pearl that I mentioned earlier. Is this the same property?
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Roherman towers appear to be a block (or so) closer to the freeway but maybe they were just on the north half of the block without crossing the alley -- whereas the new proposal is directly across the street from Elm Street Garage, presumably occupying the whole entire city block...
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I love it. Build it.
Ugh if it were only that easy. I’ll pray in hopes it gets build.
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rono3849 wrote: 30 Jul 2024 19:19 roherman.towers.dallas.eastside.jpeg

This is the proposed development by Roherman Properties on Elm Street & Pearl that I mentioned earlier. Is this the same property?
Yo! I totally forgot about that!
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I45Tex wrote: 30 Jul 2024 21:05 Roherman towers appear to be a block (or so) closer to the freeway but maybe they were just on the north half of the block without crossing the alley -- whereas the new proposal is directly across the street from Elm Street Garage, presumably occupying the whole entire city block...
Here’s another vantage point of the Rohrman Towers. It looks to be next to the Elm St Garage and the garage for the Salazar Center too. It looks to be next to those buildings. What do y’all think?
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Just build them.
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It looks like the same property to me, looks like an updated rendering. Does that mean anything? Probably not.
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rono3849 wrote: 30 Jul 2024 19:19 roherman.towers.dallas.eastside.jpeg

This is the proposed development by Roherman Properties on Elm Street & Pearl that I mentioned earlier. Is this the same property?
dallaz wrote: 30 Jul 2024 22:01 Here’s another vantage point of the Rohrman Towers. It looks to be next to the Elm St Garage and the garage for the Salazar Center too. It looks to be next to those buildings. What do y’all think?

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Yeah, this new tower is on this exact same lot.
The funny thing is that, while I didn't notice it before, these two older renderings above are actually completely different from one another :lol: The general design is similar enough that I guess I just assumed they were different angles of the same rendering, but the position of the two towers are reversed.

But, overall I like this new design. I hate the contemporary trend of towers that look like two separate towers compacted together, but as far as those sorts go this one is pretty solid. The color scheme redeems it. But what I wouldn't give for designers to treat podiums differently... Developers really seem set in using podiums to create amenity decks, fine, but at street level these block-long podiums are monotonous.
At street level, all us plebes really experience is this, a long box:
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Which causes the tower on top to feel disconnected from the urban landscape, as if it is elevated on a shelf out of reach.

If designers could just use a different design element on half the podium to create the illusion of being a separate but conjoined building, that would allow the tower to appear as one unit rising from out of the ground (rather than rising from out of the podium) while also breaking up the visual monotony experienced at street level.
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Great design, I like the height and impressive facade changes.
Noticed that under client they indicate "confidential." More than likely, it is just a showcase from the architectural firm as an advertisement. I bet if Steve Brown of the DMN was still on he would have jumped on this quickly with more information. It seems like the DMN has been kind of quiet since he retired.
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DFW wrote: 31 Jul 2024 12:12 Great design, I like the height and impressive facade changes.
Noticed that under client they indicate "confidential." More than likely, it is just a showcase from the architectural firm as an advertisement. I bet if Steve Brown of the DMN was still on he would have jumped on this quickly with more information. It seems like the DMN has been kind of quiet since he retired.
I love the design, but the verbiage used to describe it is just awful...so you may be on to something.
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Both this property and Isosceles and are between Main and Commerce. This one is between Pearl and Cesar Chavez. The Isosceles property is between Cesar Chavez and I-345.
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This lot wraps around the 2121 Main building:
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We've never seen any renderings of the Isosceles Tower yet. I thought they would have released those by now. If interest rates drop tomorrow, maybe it will open up the flood gates.
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Has a live project ever made its public debut via an architect’s website?
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Tucy I wrote: 31 Jul 2024 20:18 Has a live project ever made its public debut via an architect’s website?
Aire by Hines, if I am not mistaken (I think it was an architect's website). It was posted on here actually. It was quickly taken down though and called "premature" when a story was posted about it in the DMN.
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IcedCowboyCoffee wrote: 31 Jul 2024 11:45
rono3849 wrote: 30 Jul 2024 19:19 roherman.towers.dallas.eastside.jpeg

This is the proposed development by Roherman Properties on Elm Street & Pearl that I mentioned earlier. Is this the same property?
dallaz wrote: 30 Jul 2024 22:01 Here’s another vantage point of the Rohrman Towers. It looks to be next to the Elm St Garage and the garage for the Salazar Center too. It looks to be next to those buildings. What do y’all think?

IMG_6432.jpeg
Yeah, this new tower is on this exact same lot.
The funny thing is that, while I didn't notice it before, these two older renderings above are actually completely different from one another :lol: The general design is similar enough that I guess I just assumed they were different angles of the same rendering, but the position of the two towers are reversed.

But, overall I like this new design. I hate the contemporary trend of towers that look like two separate towers compacted together, but as far as those sorts go this one is pretty solid. The color scheme redeems it. But what I wouldn't give for designers to treat podiums differently... Developers really seem set in using podiums to create amenity decks, fine, but at street level these block-long podiums are monotonous.
At street level, all us plebes really experience is this, a long box:
1081.jpg
Which causes the tower on top to feel disconnected from the urban landscape, as if it is elevated on a shelf out of reach.

If designers could just use a different design element on half the podium to create the illusion of being a separate but conjoined building, that would allow the tower to appear as one unit rising from out of the ground (rather than rising from out of the podium) while also breaking up the visual monotony experienced at street level.
1082.jpg
Haha! I didn't even notice until now. :lol:

Agreed. I am not a huge fan of podiums on skyscrapers, high-rises with them are slightly more tolerable.
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dallaz wrote: 31 Jul 2024 22:26
Tucy I wrote: 31 Jul 2024 20:18 Has a live project ever made its public debut via an architect’s website?
Aire by Hines, if I am not mistaken (I think it was an architect's website). It was posted on here actually. It was quickly taken down though and called "premature" when a story was posted about it in the DMN.
And the quick take-down exemplifies the fact that it is not common procedure, to put it lightly, for a project’s debut to be made by the architects. All things considered, this rendering on an architect’s website probably means there is no project.
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Just as with Hines, quick takedowns are usually to avoid client displeasure, otherwise there are plenty of higher priority things this architect would be doing today besides keeping tabs on us & webmastering.
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I45Tex wrote: 01 Aug 2024 18:42 Just as with Hines, quick takedowns are usually to avoid client displeasure, otherwise there are plenty of higher priority things this architect would be doing today besides keeping tabs on us & webmastering.
Well yes. There’s no reason for architects to care about us linking their projects, unless they don’t have client permission to post a pending project to begin with. And in almost all cases, they do not have permission to post unannounced live projects.
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Pretty rendering, but alas, tis Vaporware...
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Addison wrote: 02 Aug 2024 07:06 Pretty rendering, but alas, tis Vaporware...
Perhaps, but since we don't have the true backstory on this one, we can't say it's just nothing. Quite a bit of time & effort was put into this project already.
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