Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 06 Jul 2021 19:38

Underwhelming. It looks straight out of a 1992 Addison office building rendering. The surface parking out front and hostility to the pedestrian experience (tall brick wall) are downright shameful. It's just all so.... gross.

The two restaurants getting torn down (Sprezza and former Merchant House) added interest and vibrancy.

And I am not letting my status as a recent former resident of the new-ish apartment building getting torn down affect my judgement. It's just not a very good development and it's a step back for proper urban design in the area.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 06 Jul 2021 20:36

The Arc d'parkin'

...what's that supposed to be a gateway for....lmao

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 06 Jul 2021 22:20

I’m sure the parking passes OLC with flying colors. If this were an urban designed residential building they would have freaked out over “traffic”.

Post by **tamtagon** » 07 Jul 2021 06:42

What is the square footage of this whole development? This is the new version of the 80s vanity-fortress towers.

Certainly makes an impact. Exceptionally popular and successful Plano/Frisco campus style.

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 07 Jul 2021 10:20

R1070 wrote:The surface parking needs to be downsized. Would be better with a restaurant on the corner at Maple and Reagan.

I agree. A restaurant on that corner would be great.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 07 Jul 2021 11:29

The parking according to them is 90% underground? Did I read that correctly? How deep will this project go. The little surface parking they will have is mostly some sort of Valet ADA combo best I can tell since no article I have read says there is no coffee shop or other ground floor shop/cafe.

vman · Post by **vman** » 08 Jul 2021 07:42

dallaz wrote:Dallas’ Old Parkland campus plans for major expansion

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... expansion/

The Old Parkland expansion would replace small restaurant buildings and an apartment complex on the site, which extends from Maple to Fairmount Street.

The developer would agree to place 90% of the parking for the office building in an underground garage.
Looks like something that belongs on the SMU campus. Please stop.
The project would have a maximum height of 240 feet – the same as the new clock tower Crow Holdings is building at Old Parkland.

Looks like something that belongs on the SMU campus. Please stop.

The_Overdog · Post by **The_Overdog** » 08 Jul 2021 09:20

The project would have a maximum height of 240 feet – the same as the new clock tower Crow Holdings is building at Old Parkland.

The building is only 9 or 10 stories, about the same 120 feet height as the other buildings on the campus, so either the top of the building is completely out of scale in the renderings and will be an extra 100 feet tall, or there will be another, taller building built later.

THRILLHO · Post by **THRILLHO** » 08 Jul 2021 13:37

It's funny, there aren't a ton of buildings quite like this in Dallas and yet this manages to still be the most Dallas thing ever. The design philosophy is peak Dallas. It's a "North Dallas Special"/McMansion variant of SMU.

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 08 Jul 2021 13:40

The_Overdog wrote:"The project would have a maximum height of 240 feet – the same as the new clock tower Crow Holdings is building at Old Parkland."

The building is only 9 or 10 stories, about the same 120 feet height as the other buildings on the campus, so either the top of the building is completely out of scale in the renderings and will be an extra 100 feet tall, or there will be another, taller building built later.

Good catch

Post by **Tnexster** » 12 Jul 2021 09:32

Old Parkland expansion aimed at bringing more business
Three connected office buildings would be constructed on Maple Avenue in Dallas’ Oak Lawn neighborhood.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -business/

The most successful Dallas-area office center isn’t in Uptown, Plano’s Legacy or Frisco.

Tucked away on the edge of the Oak Lawn neighborhood, the Old Parkland campus is chock full of tenants paying the highest rents in town.

The 9.5-acre Maple Avenue development has been widely praised for its classic design and attention to detail. Some have derided the project as an architectural theme park.

kingpin · Post by **kingpin** » 24 Jul 2021 00:45

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 09 Aug 2021 09:16

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The Campanile at Crow's Old Parkland development is now revealed with the scaffolding down. It's quite a lovely addition to the campus and area. It looks like they have some additional construction around the base of the tower and the clock faces will need to be finished as well.

THRILLHO · Post by **THRILLHO** » 18 Nov 2021 13:24

Group me with those that think these are among the most gaudy buildings in Dallas. Celebrating the bell tower completion with fireworks is almost too on the nose.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 18 Nov 2021 19:34

^Its appropriate for being a part of the gaybourhood.

Post by **Tnexster** » 19 Nov 2021 09:03

Any signs that the expansion across Maple is making progress?

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 19 Nov 2021 13:45

I believe the apartment residents have through the end of the year to vacate.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 19 Nov 2021 18:06

R1070 wrote:I believe the apartment residents have through the end of the year to vacate.

In other words, get out now!

sterling · Post by **sterling** » 27 Nov 2021 04:07

There's something vaguely "czarist" about the massing of the new addition. I guess they know their audience.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 01 Dec 2021 23:16

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The completed Campanile Clock Tower is truly striking and looks wonderful. I know it had some detractors initially, but I think it turned out very nice and is an asset for the surrounding area.

Post by **Tnexster** » 02 Dec 2021 11:24

I think it looks great and can be seen from a pretty good distance. There are always detractors.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 02 Dec 2021 12:08

Its just quite hilarious that in DFW we spend decades tearing down Dallas historical buildings with actual architecture similar to this and spend millions creating something that pretends to be historical in this decade. Lord knows the whole value of the old buildings is the fact they were built long ago and have actual stories to their creation and use but usually require lots of care and modifications to make them modern and useful. Instead we build brand new stuff that looks old but without historical value so it tends to be shunned by architecture critics because it equates to fake boobs or drag queens trying to blend in with other women at a straight bar. Yeah they follow some of the rules but to anyone with real eyes they know they aren't the same thing. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the investment its just a interesting behavior of a the modern age in DFW.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 02 Dec 2021 14:28

I love what this project is doing to my property value as I live within sight of the new clock tower. I hope they jump the street across Maple and raise values even more.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 20 Jan 2022 09:55

The bell tower made the late night news is glorious pomp and hilarity of the wastefulness it represents. I present you Stephen Colbert talking about Harlan Crows large expense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_TWE9web-Y

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Cabrio330 · Post by **Cabrio330** » 22 Jan 2022 07:55

Always funny when a guy making $15mill a year with a $75mill net worth pulls out the guillotine of jealousy.

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 22 Jan 2022 12:31

Seriously. Stephen Colbert is a chump. It's sad to see how far he's fallen.

flyswatter · Post by **flyswatter** » 23 Jan 2022 19:16

Damn y'all need to lighten up.

Cabrio330 · Post by **Cabrio330** » 24 Jan 2022 09:17

flyswatter wrote:Damn y'all need to lighten up.

I agree, but I doubt Colbert checks this forum so I doubt he will get your suggestion.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 24 Jan 2022 10:03

And he is right though...Like I said before this tower was a vanity project by the developer he built a bell tower for no apparent reason. It has no leasable space and is not a technological build to provide Wi-Fi or cell service. I mean I am not saying the tower is illegal or should be banned but lets call a spade a spade. A really really rich guy wanted to waste some money so he built a bell tower. Would I get my torch and protest outside the gates of the walled garden no. Colbert just pointed out the hilarity of when you get so rich that wasting money without a obvious return on investment is provided front and center. I wasted money on cocktails at the bar this weekend and tipped my bartender $20 cause I like the hell out of the person. Does that make me a saint or wasteful person. Did me buying those drinks cure cancer or feed the homeless certainly did not. No matter how much money you have you waste money its just more obvious when a billionaire does it cause the waste is made more public. Colbert was right even if he himself is worth 75 bajillion dollars.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 24 Jan 2022 10:07

I for one think the Bell Clock tower will stand the test of time.

willyk · Post by **willyk** » 25 Jan 2022 02:06

He has his audience and they are very pleased. Most expensive office space in Dallas and I heard there is a waiting list to get in. A lot of other developers wish they had his challenge, which is how to expand without losing the vibe…that said, I hope we don’t start seeing a lot of copycat bell towers around town!

Post by **Tnexster** » 25 Jan 2022 16:44

I like it, and the bell tower was a great addition. If they are able to expand across Maple and keep the "vibe" going then more power to them.

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 16 May 2022 17:58

No idea, so I'll just throw this in here and let the DFWU team elaborate:

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2022019140

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Project Name:
    Old Parkland East Campus
Project Number:
    TABS2022019140
Facility Name:
    Old Parkland East Campus
Location Address:
    2512 Throckmorton St.
    Dallas, TX 75219
Location County:
    Dallas

Start Date:
    9/26/2022
Completion Date:
    9/27/2024
Estimated Cost:
    $155,968,000
Type of Work:
    New Construction
Type of Funds:
    This project is privately funded, on private land for private use.
Scope of Work:
    8 story office building with below grade garage. 
Square Footage:
    255,000 ft 2

Cue this week where one person posts this on DMN and another person laments the architecture on another media site.

And, DFWU will say the same, but, hey look - underground parking. Squirrel. . .

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 16 May 2022 18:11

I'll be the one who said they liked it even though it did have a parking lot in front of it. hahaha

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 16 May 2022 20:12

More gated community development

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 16 May 2022 20:18

They've started demo work on the site.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 16 May 2022 22:29

old.parkland.addition.jpg

I suspect that this new addition will be successful and it wouldn't surprise me to see an expansion to the block just South of the area for further development. Crow has seen this become one of the premier office locations in the region. The company certainly has the funds to expand this prestigious development.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 17 May 2022 10:31

Do they not own the land with small parking lot and old apartments shown just across the street. Seems like this should be part of that development.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 17 May 2022 10:54

I don't think they do yet, but that would be the next option for expansion.

Post by **Tnexster** » 17 May 2022 14:25

Too bad they couldn't salvage that restaurant space along maple, that parking lot would be a great central location for some food options. Like some green space and a couple places to eat. Least it would be something.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 17 May 2022 18:00

The site with the additional apartments on it will be a pricer site to redevelop to the south of this site. It not only has that apartment block but the Grapevine Bar which is not for sale supposedly plus two separate condo/townhome developments that will require multiple owners to sell. One of the two of which was built in the last 10 yrs so the owners will haggle for money they know they can get from Crow. This site they are doing now was so easy cause they already owned the restaurants/parking lot and just needed to buy the loft apartments from the complex across the street. Much less cost to assemble the land and work with one corporate lawyer to settle all the details. Any further expansion will require more costs just to gather all the land, assemble it into one parcel get new zoning, and then develop. Unless they just go for the last section of apartments and build something much smaller than previous phases. Based on the style of the whole development

eddieg1 · Post by **eddieg1** » 18 May 2022 08:09

According to DCAD they already own 3/4 of that whole block south.
Including the land under The Grapevine.
Property is held in SOUTH TOLLWAY 3920 LP and OP LAND EXCHANGE LLC both located at 3819 Maple Ave (Old Parkland).

eddieg1 · Post by **eddieg1** » 18 May 2022 08:31

More interesting is the same holding company also owns the full block west bordered by Reagan, Brown, Shelby and Fairmont….

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eddieg1 · Post by **eddieg1** » 18 May 2022 08:37

*East

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 18 May 2022 12:40

eddieg1 wrote:According to DCAD they already own 3/4 of that whole block south.
Including the land under The Grapevine.
Property is held in SOUTH TOLLWAY 3920 LP and OP LAND EXCHANGE LLC both located at 3819 Maple Ave (Old Parkland).

Thanks, I heard the opposite from the owner and doubted what was said so you proved what I thought was more likely. I should have looked up DCAD before I wrote my post but I was just too lazy at the time lol.

Post by **tamtagon** » 03 Aug 2023 21:06

I bet the view from the clock tower is great

Post by **Tnexster** » 04 Aug 2023 09:04

I drove by this yesterday on the Tollway, couldn't believe how much progress has been made on the new building. I'm not even sure I knew it was under construction but its far enough along to be seen when driving by on the tollway.

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 04 Aug 2023 09:43

The complex reminds me of old seaside resorts but the campanile reminds me of this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_ ... k_1886.jpg

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 24 Nov 2023 14:13

Today:

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