Dallas Arts District: Hall Arts Hotel & Residences

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 20 Oct 2019 14:46

Yeah, Hall held onto the underground garage for decades waiting to redevelop it into what we see now. He is going to wait on the large parking lot until there is actual demand for a tower of that size. He was stubborn about that garage and is focused on more Frisco development. Uber and AT&T moving to Downtownish aren't and wasn't enough to prove a point on Downtown being an attractive location for relocation. You need something like a Boeing or Amazon who wants a significant amount of space in a signature tower.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 26 Oct 2019 20:24

Looking forward to seeing what Hall has up his sleeve for the next phase.

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 27 Oct 2019 16:59

^^ Those were earlier renderings of the buildings we actually received; not the proposed 50~ story office tower across Ross.

mrmandalay · Post by **mrmandalay** » 27 Oct 2019 20:34

That would be lovely^ The surface lots around the Dallas World Aquarium and those directly south of the Hall Arts Hotel are worthy of world class high rises. Just visualize how dramatically different the skyline would look with an 800ft+ skyscraper in either of those 2 locations. I really hope Hall is waiting to build something significant here, it'd be a shame to watch the last open tracts of land downtown settle with uninspired mid rise buildings.

kingpin · Post by **kingpin** » 08 Nov 2019 14:38

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

Pinhi · Post by **Pinhi** » 09 Nov 2019 00:11

Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Mr. Amsterdam · Post by **Mr. Amsterdam** » 09 Nov 2019 07:10

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Ok boomer

emmasensei · Post by **emmasensei** » 09 Nov 2019 13:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTTg6Cp85M

DPatel304 · Post by **DPatel304** » 09 Nov 2019 16:32

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 09 Nov 2019 17:28

Am I missing something here? Pretty sure Hall himself is a Boomer?

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 10 Nov 2019 15:14

Don't engage, some things are meant to just lay there in silent reflection and just pretend it never happened.

Pinhi · Post by **Pinhi** » 10 Nov 2019 15:45

Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but it just seems that the can-do attitude of the city has changed into something else.

And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Post by **tamtagon** » 10 Nov 2019 17:11

Pinhi wrote: Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Hahahahaha

That's what you sounded like to your grandparents' generation when you were a smart 20-something!

Somethings never change, and this is one of them! Throughout the ages, it's repeated.

joshua.dodd · Post by **joshua.dodd** » 10 Nov 2019 21:15

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Most of these developments are speculative bubbles to begin with.

Pinhi · Post by **Pinhi** » 10 Nov 2019 22:47

tamtagon wrote:
Pinhi wrote: Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.
Hahahahaha

That's what you sounded like to your grandparents' generation when you were a smart 20-something!

Somethings never change, and this is one of them! Throughout the ages, it's repeated.

Millennial men. That's an oxymoron.

Mr. Amsterdam · Post by **Mr. Amsterdam** » 11 Nov 2019 11:17

Pinhi wrote: And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Called it

DPatel304 · Post by **DPatel304** » 11 Nov 2019 11:23

Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but...

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

flyswatter · Post by **flyswatter** » 11 Nov 2019 13:00

Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but it just seems that the can-do attitude of the city has changed into something else.

And yep, I'm a boomer and damn proud of it. Tired of all the whiny gimme free sh*t crowd. You know who you are.

Sounds like all the whiny boomers I work with that are so full of themselves that they won't realize they are holding the company/city back

Mr. Amsterdam · Post by **Mr. Amsterdam** » 11 Nov 2019 13:47

DPatel304 wrote:
Pinhi wrote:Yeah Hall is a boomer and maybe older than that. Nothing against Hall or his development per se but...

Pinhi wrote:Hall has nothing up his sleeve. What a total disappointment this development is downtown. So he builds an 18-story tower that would look better out on the LBJ freeway. Wow 18 stories. Better stand back, that's approaching the 22-story new Dallas height limit. Too bad Dallas has been taken over by progressive socialist thinking. Used to be a city where men were men. Not anymore. So many posters here would say well at least he took up a surface parking lot. GTFO. Dallas needs real men and real risk takers not millennial men.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 11 Nov 2019 13:58

Um I will take this entire project at this height any day over the dead zone that existed in the heart of our Arts District for years and years. I am hopeful we can attain an urban demand for some supertalls in our future. We are fighting headwinds from companies that would rather be in campus formats in Las Colinas and Collin County.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 11 Nov 2019 14:28

I like the current project.

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 12 Nov 2019 09:57

Cbdallas wrote:Um I will take this entire project at this height any day over the dead zone that existed in the heart of our Arts District for years and years. I am hopeful we can attain an urban demand for some supertalls in our future. We are fighting headwinds from companies that would rather be in campus formats in Las Colinas and Collin County.

Agreed. Slightly smaller rival metros like Atlanta and Philly or ones with labor areas that are slightly more populous overall but very sprawly (Boston, DC, Bay Area) all do at least have one 100% location where you can tell a large share of "the talent" wants to be. DFW had Telecom Corridor but that peaked in the dotcom bubble.

Places like Kendall Square (Boston), Center City West (Philly), and Tech Square (Atlanta) have been able to harness walkability and infrastructure to appeal beyond their original primary user base. For investors that's important. And we need that signal to be in Deep Ellum/DTD/Uptown/Victory/Design District/Riverfront/Trinity Groves, rather than in Las Colinas, Legacy, Southlake, or Galleria "Midtown."

texasstar · Post by **texasstar** » 30 Nov 2019 16:54

Post by **Tnexster** » 01 Dec 2019 13:26

Great pictures!

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 03 Dec 2019 14:41

Downtown Dallas’ first Arts District hotel opens

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tel-opens/

Post by **Tnexster** » 03 Dec 2019 15:43

And how much are these rooms?

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 03 Dec 2019 18:38

Tnexster wrote:And how much are these rooms?

Hotels.com shows rooms for 2 ranging from $209 to $337/night during December and January.

Post by **Tnexster** » 03 Dec 2019 21:17

Tucy wrote:
Tnexster wrote:And how much are these rooms?
Hotels.com shows rooms for 2 ranging from $209 to $337/night during December and January.

That's not outrageous, guess I would have expected higher rates.

sterling · Post by **sterling** » 04 Dec 2019 01:45

Great photos texasstar. Your eye never disappoints, but these last two are exceptional. I love that you can create a "visual context" for these evolving projects in downtown. You make the "hodge podge" seem like it may be going somewhere.

texasstar · Post by **texasstar** » 05 Dec 2019 08:03

sterling wrote:Great photos texasstar. Your eye never disappoints, but these last two are exceptional. I love that you can create a "visual context" for these evolving projects in downtown. You make the "hodge podge" seem like it may be going somewhere.

Thanks, sterling!
I've been taking pictures here since 2001, and we find ourselves in what is truly the golden age!

mdg109 · Post by **mdg109** » 05 Aug 2020 12:30

Here's a closer look of the base and the new sidewalks.

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 05 Aug 2020 16:19

Those look great!

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 05 Aug 2020 17:40

Looks very slick

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 05 Aug 2020 20:34

Hope Hall can eventually build that third phase of this development across Ross Avenue. He sold phase one at a profit, so he should have some funds for going forward at some point.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 10 Aug 2020 10:22

Hall Arts Residences have started closing on sales! 49 total Units.

July 2020

1 unit sold in Month 1. (the unit Craig Hall sold to himself). (1 per month) 48 remaining (Just for the record, there was another deed recorded, but it appears to only convey parking spots and storage space; rather odd. I suspect there might be a correction coming.)

Sellout projection: 4 years, 1 month.

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 10 Aug 2020 12:41

Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 10 Aug 2020 12:48

CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?

Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 10 Aug 2020 12:54

Very cool. Thank you sir!

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 08 Sep 2020 11:13

August 2020

3 units sold in Month 2. 4 sold in two months. (2 per month) 45 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 1 month.

xen0blue · Post by **xen0blue** » 13 Sep 2020 12:46

Tucy wrote:
CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?
Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

No way it goes back to 1800. Texas wasn't even a state- it was a rural Spanish outpost, and I doubt the few Indians who lived here kept very good records.

Post by **lakewoodhobo** » 15 Sep 2020 09:38

xen0blue wrote:
Tucy wrote:
CTroyMathis wrote:Tucy, can you refresh my memory which site (or sites) you use to compile data like this? I'd like to look up some other places. Also, does it go back in history or not so much?
Dallas County Clerk. https://dallas.tx.publicsearch.us/ It goes back quite a ways in history... it purports to go back to 1800. I haven't checked that out.

No way it goes back to 1800. Texas wasn't even a state- it was a rural Spanish outpost, and I doubt the few Indians who lived here kept very good records.

I know DCAD uses 1900 as a default year for anything before a certain date, so this could be a similar system not meant as an actual year. 1800 could make more sense for that reason, since people might see 1900 on a deed and think it was accurate.

exelone31 · Post by **exelone31** » 15 Sep 2020 11:11

June 1853

1 unit sold for a barrel of whiskey and two pounds of salt pork. 1 unit evacauted due to consumption. 6 units remain.

Sellout projection: 3 score, 4 months

Hannibal Lecter · Post by **Hannibal Lecter** » 15 Sep 2020 13:50

^ LOL

texasstar · Post by **texasstar** » 16 Sep 2020 07:51

exelone31 wrote:June 1853

1 unit sold for a barrel of whiskey and two pounds of salt pork. 1 unit evacauted due to consumption. 6 units remain.

Sellout projection: 3 score, 4 months

Funniest post ever!

Dallas12 · Post by **Dallas12** » 17 Sep 2020 13:17

Regarding the above, Dallas County was formed in 1846. However, the first survey (John Grigsby Survey) which encompasses the heart of Dallas, was patented with the Texas General Land Office in 1842. That survey is massive, 4,605 acres, relative to what became the standard, 640 acres. At the time it was part of the “Nacogdoches District.”

The John Neely Bryan Survey (640 acres) was patented with the State in 1854. Unless destroyed by fire at some point, there should be Dallas County Clerk records dating this far back.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 05 Oct 2020 13:04

September 2020

1 unit sold. 5 sold in 3 months. (1.67 per month) 44 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 6 months.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 05 Nov 2020 12:32

October 2020

2 units sold. 7 sold in 4 months. (1.75 per month) 42 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 4 months.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 06 Dec 2020 13:42

November 2020

2 units sold. 9 sold in 5 months. (1.8 per month) 40 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 4 months.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 08 Jan 2021 09:51

December 2020

2 units sold. 11 sold in 6 months (1.83 per month) 38 remaining

Sellout projection: 2 years, 3 months.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 25 Jan 2021 16:13

HallGroup.jpg

The Hall Arts Residences & Dallas High Rise living get a big feature in today's NEW YORK POST. Here's the link to the story:

https://nypost.com/2021/01/25/inside-th ... to-dallas/