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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 24 Jun 2019 16:22

They are building a small office building right on the Katy trail. I haven’t seen drawings but I imagine it will be similar to the one north of The McKenzie.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 04 Jul 2019 10:07

R1070 wrote:What is the crane on the far North end of McKinney Ave for?


Walked by yesterday. Columns coming out of ground already, so no below ground parking. Permits reference “Shelby Family Office.”
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 04 Jul 2019 10:10

Found this on Candys Dirt https://candysdirt.com/tag/shelby-family-offices

Shelby Family Offices – McCommas at McKinney

Also bordering the Katy Trail is a new office building replacing the Atlantic National Trust building. Unlike the rest of the night’s projects, this one was a drive-by to let the OLC know what was up. A courtesy, given that it’s being built so far within its allowed zoning, it’s shocking. It’s a five-story building in an area zoned for 240-foot height.

One funny – how do I know about the Atlantic National Trust? Because the images looked so 1980s or 1990s with its rounded glass skin that I thought this was a remodel versus new construction. I’m not throwing shade on the project, it’s just the combination of its name (“family offices”), rounded edges and such a short building for the area made me wonder.

As I said, they’re not asking for anything, so there’s not much more to tell.
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby flyswatter » 31 Jul 2019 13:58

On The Border is closing to be redeveloped for more shopping spaces. I assume they'll tear the building down and build something shorter and closer to the street (similar to Kate Spade building)?

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... n-closing/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 31 Jul 2019 14:31

I think we knew this news was coming, but it’s still kinda sad to see the original OTB shuttered.

That article is very confusing. It suggests the location will be “converted” for more retail and residential space. Sounds more like torn down and started over to me. Also the story said Z Gallerie is closing. I’m not so sure about that. It was not on the closing list last month and the employees don’t seem to aware of that. It also mentioned the departure of Abacus. I think they are just changing concepts there. I have noticed they are replacing some landscaping on that lot in the past few days.

Isn’t this block part of Michael Dell’s MDC acquisitions? Why start here? There is plenty of redevelopment opportunities on the property he also bought on Travis.

finally - why now? Isn’t Knox gonna be a construction nightmare for two years already? And this too?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 31 Jul 2019 15:14

The OTB and Kate Spade buildings along with their parking lots have been rumored to be redeveloped for a while now.

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Postby emmasensei » 31 Jul 2019 15:37

Z Gallerie is in a fiscal death spiral, but last I checked, the Knox store wasn't on the list of closing stores. However, it's possible that their financial distress is worsening and combined with the changing nature of Knox, a closure might now make more sense.

And yes, the Abacus closure was attributed to changing tastes (the expensive slab o' meat steakhouse concept is losing ground) but it'll re-open as something else.

Something else to watch for: the Outdoor Voices-turned-Parachute shop is only good for another 6/7 months or so (spoke with the store manager and they only did a year lease, with the goal of opening a perm store closer to downtown). The lot along with a few small buildings nearby are already for sale.

One more thing I noticed going on in Knox: the Trader Joe's redeveloped the corner of the lot it sits on to add a small dog park. We thought it was neat, and speaks to the pedestrian activity in the area--folks can drop their dogs off for a few minutes while they run into the store.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 31 Jul 2019 16:32

LongonBigD wrote:I think we knew this news was coming, but it’s still kinda sad to see the original OTB shuttered.


It's not actually the original. The original was a couple blocks west.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Matt777 » 31 Jul 2019 16:57

emmasensei wrote:
Something else to watch for: the Outdoor Voices-turned-Parachute shop is only good for another 6/7 months or so (spoke with the store manager and they only did a year lease, with the goal of opening a perm store closer to downtown). The lot along with a few small buildings nearby are already for sale.



I'd love to see Parachute go Downtown on Main, near all the Headington luxury retail. If some critical mass can happen down there with luxury retailers, it could solidify Downtown as a retail destination.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 01 Aug 2019 16:03

Hannibal Lecter wrote:
LongonBigD wrote:I think we knew this news was coming, but it’s still kinda sad to see the original OTB shuttered.


It's not actually the original. The original was a couple blocks west.


You’re right. I didn’t remember that. Today’s DMN article does imply that the building is gonna stay and be converted to retail and residential. Very interested to see how that manifests itself.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby willyk » 07 Aug 2019 03:30

Abacus to become Jasper’s Uptown

Tabs should be less than half of the $100 per person average at Abacus, owner William "Bill" Hyde Jr. said, with starters ranging from $9 to $19 and mains from $13 to $45.

"This neighborhood has changed and fine dining has changed," Hyde said, sitting in the freshly painted dining room last week. "Millennials are now occupying the majority of the area. Now the menu is something that serves the majority of people who live here."

https://www.guidelive.com/restaurant-openings/2019/08/05/abacus-defining-dallas-restaurant-will-become-outpost-jaspers

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 07 Aug 2019 08:32

Is Knox now Uptown too? The Uptown name has been chipping away at adjoining neighborhoods for years. It’s better to have areas with their own strong identities, rather than lumping everything into one big generic Uptown name.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Aug 2019 12:57

Resturants may be claiming Uptown but not all apartment properties are claiming Uptown. Since Uptown got the party town emphasis leasing staff at many properties sell this area as a nicer quieter alternative to Uptown. I've personally experienced prospects asking not to be in Uptown cause its too much in price and activity. More like Uptown adjacent with easy access to Uptown, Oak Lawn, Henderson, Mockingbird Station, etc.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 26 Aug 2019 12:44

CB2 will apparently be opening September 20.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Aug 2019 11:42

Demolition has finally started on the buildings at Hester and Mckinney for that apartment complex that still hasn't gotten its final designs approved by the Oak Lawn committee yet.

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Postby dzh » 30 Aug 2019 04:38

Please correct me if I’m wrong (because I’m not totally certain by any means), but I was under the impression that they didn’t need the OLC’s approval to build here? I thought it was more of the developer attempting to be courteous than anything else. The area I’m pretty sure is zoned for up to 240’ high.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 30 Aug 2019 14:04

khres wrote:
LongonBigD wrote:
khres wrote:Stockdale owns the stretch from Kozy to Knox Street Pub, and with all those closing there must be some redevelopment plans. They also own a significant portion of the block on the east side of McKinney

http://stockdale.com/properties/texas/knox-promenade

That’s good information. Thanks.

I am optimistic the change will be much better. Stockdale has been upping their tenant list as spaces are re-leased. I think I would like to see a tear down and redo to fix walking and to further extend retail south on McKinney. I guess we wait and see.


A little more digging yielded this rendering and listing on loopnet. Angle is from the corner of McKinney and Armstrong looking to the south-west. Not an earth shattering redevelopment, but definitely better than what is currently there.

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https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/4433-4447-McKinney-Ave-Dallas-TX/14487883/


I wonder if this proposed center has changed? That link to loopnet says the property is no longer listed on their site. Is it possible somebody had a better idea and will take better advantage of the sites location and potential?

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby DallasMan » 04 Sep 2019 13:34

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Demolition has finally started on the buildings at Hester and Mckinney for that apartment complex that still hasn't gotten its final designs approved by the Oak Lawn committee yet.


RIP my old condo! It was a great location, a nice unit, and cashing out when they bought out the building didn't hurt either :)

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 07 Sep 2019 11:35

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Demolition has finally started on the buildings at Hester and Mckinney for that apartment complex that still hasn't gotten its final designs approved by the Oak Lawn committee yet.


According to this DMN article, the building will be 5 stories tall with one level of underground parking.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2019/09/05/more-apartments-on-the-way-near-dallas-knox-street-retail-district/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby NdoorTX » 11 Sep 2019 13:25

It’s happening. So close. So excited!

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 11 Sep 2019 13:38

Such a high-end boutique traditional space for a store that prides itself on being more modern and contemporary.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby R1070 » 11 Sep 2019 13:44

It’s definitely an interesting choice of building.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 11 Sep 2019 13:56

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Such a high-end boutique traditional space for a store that prides itself on being more modern and contemporary.


I agree. I thought they might at least put a false fascia on the building.

Glad they left the trees. I always thought this building would be a great restaurant space with that outdoor area shaded and right on McKinney Ave. The patio will be very inviting and will probably help them sell some outdoor furniture.

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Broadstone Knox District

Postby LongonBigD » 11 Sep 2019 14:19

Moved this posting to the "Knox: Armstrong and Cole" string, but the pictures stayed. I guess just to tease you to look at the other string!!
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 11 Sep 2019 14:58

Wow, this looks pretty great. If the building can't be mixed-use, this is certainly the next best option.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 07 Oct 2019 20:32

Walked past the old On the Border on Knox St. It’s being painted on the outside to look less like a Mexican restaurant.

It appears they have divided the space into three future retail spaces. Probably smart right now. Sign short term leases and buy some time to allow the dust to settle on the (future) new RH and Weirs Plaza. Once those are wildly successful and Knox street redo is done, announce your own large mixed-use project.

The largest space has “Now Hiring” signs up. It is going to be a Yeti store. Didn’t know that was a thing.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby HarryMoto » 07 Oct 2019 21:42

LongonBigD wrote:The largest space has “Now Hiring” signs up. It is going to be a Yeti store. Didn’t know that was a thing.


I think Yeti's flagship store in Austin does well enough that they're now taking the concept nationwide. They just opened a retail outlet in Charleston. Knox Street is the ideal location for something like this.

https://gearjunkie.com/yeti-charleston-store

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 12 Oct 2019 12:33

Away Suitcases is going in next to Follain. The evolution of Knox is getting really interesting. There are neighborhoods in other cities that really attract lots of these formerly internet-only, Millennial-focused brands (the Seaport in Boston being a prime example) and lots of temporary and experimental popups from foreign brands looking to get a toehold in the US.

I've also heard rumors of a Glossier and Everlane on the way, but those are totally unsubstantiated, while Away is a definite (signs are already on the doors).

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Dallasretail » 26 Oct 2019 14:45

Yeti signs are up and store appears almost fully stocked with merchandise. Guessing the opening is imminent.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby jegchachi » 27 Oct 2019 11:56

Here are some pics on the construction progress on Travis!!!
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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby LongonBigD » 27 Oct 2019 14:46

Thanks for the pics. It’s hard to see what’s happening on those two projects due to the fencing.

The Weirs pic is a great look at all that is left if Highland Park Soda Fountain building (two walls). The uproar on Nextdoor about this borders on ridiculousness. Most commentators are appalled and feel “tricked” by the developers. I guess they thought they were going to save the building and only refurbish it. Clearly those people never got an up close look at what that building had deteriorated to before demo. It was in horrible shape due to years of neglect. I can’t believe that we’re able to save what they did.

As to the “evil, trickster developers” I guess these complainers don’t understand that the Weir Family has controlled this for decades and are entitled to do what they wish with the property. I thought it was a nice gesture on their part to save the exterior and incorporate its replacement into the project.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 27 Oct 2019 16:57

Great shots! And the idiots on NextDoor are for the most part just that; idiots.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 27 Oct 2019 21:56

NextDoor is full of hysteria. It's hard to read most of those comments from people that know about 1% of what's going on.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Tnexster » 02 Nov 2019 12:44

Retail Therapy: Knox Street picks up another cool brand, Yeti

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... rand-yeti/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby DallasMan » 05 Nov 2019 12:06

Couldn't disagree more with the comments above re: HP Soda Fountain building. The developer knew what they were doing when they said they would "preserve" the building, specifically the exterior. Instead, what they did was some form of "facadism" not "preservation."

I'm well-aware of this issue, and the folks involved on the development (including the Weir family) knew exactly what they were doing. People in Dallas tried to work with them for years on a preservation plan of some sort for the building (including plans that would not have interfered with their high-rise), but they had no interest.

Where they crossed the line, IMO, was by deliberately telling the preservation community that they would "preserve" the HP portion of the project as a way of avoiding entanglement with the City's Landmark Commission. That tactic may have been successful, but it cost some of those involved in this project a lot of credibility that had been built up over the years from past projects. Sad.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby Cbdallas » 05 Nov 2019 16:03

The area north of Fitzugh and east of the Katy Trail and west of 75 I think is ripe for large mid and high rise dense development. I am all for it and especially extend the streetcar and someday open up the Knox DART station. Dallas needs a dense urban core to compete with the suburban areas by offering something they can not a true big city experience and lifestyle. I hope all surrounding neighborhoods around downtown end up with this dense development. Build up not out.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby beepboopdtown » 18 Nov 2019 11:44

Grange Hall is moving to Fitzhugh. It will occupy the same shopping center as Beverly's.

https://www.dallasnews.com/food/restaur ... gh-avenue/

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby emmasensei » 18 Nov 2019 12:58

Interesting. There's some shuffling afoot in Knox--a popup for a Nantucket shoe store opened next to Yeti in the former On the Border building, and Stag Provisions is moving from across the street into that same building as well. No idea what will replace Stag.

It's news to me that the Weir's tower will host a WeWork. I tried to make WeWork work (heh) for me earlier this year but the two DFW locations I visited were kind of a mess. Why are they still trying to expand so aggressively, given all the corporate chaos? The NYT podcast did a deep dive on the WeWork mess just this morning.

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Re: Knox / Henderson - Knox Street Side

Postby eburress » 18 Nov 2019 16:12

Funny, I just listened to that podcast! How WeWork can still be expanding is beyond me. I would be surprised if they exist at all by the time Weir's tower is complete.


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