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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby tamtagon » 06 Dec 2018 11:26

Byron Nelson is leaving Trinity Forest is among the worst possible things that could happen. The red-line time capsule existence of this part of town and incessant neglect which created the Trinity River Forest are the two situations which will not last.

This is one of the best case scenario redevelopment locations in North Texas. The forest is littered with plastic and rubber and invasive species, but it's also beautiful and getting cleaned up. That whole swath of forest decimated to haul enough dirt to elevate the golf course five feet could not be a better location for an eco-symbiotic resort hotel. The Horse Park has probably been the absolute worst, most tragically managed municipal venture of the past generation, but it will not eventually fail.

Dressage and Golf on a forest prairie, relaxing by the rooftop pool with a view of the city? It's an inevitability. Hopefully the RV Park will be a major component of future expansion of wilderness park economics since the greater Trinity River Park is turning into a birder's paradise.

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Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby itsjrd1964 » 02 Mar 2019 23:26

The 2018 Numbers Are More Proof Trinity Forest’s Public Play Rules Really Aren’t Public

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... nt-public/

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 07 Mar 2019 22:02

Looking forward to seeing the new PGA Frisco course with the Omni Hotel pick up the Byron Nelson sooner rather than later.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby gshelton91 » 08 Mar 2019 11:14

casperitl wrote:The Byron Nelson should be moved to Frisco. Hotel, infrastructure and amenities await.

The promise of economic development in South Dallas from the Trinity Forest Golf Course will no longer happen. The idea of a hotel for instance, is now very much dead. Frisco has the hotel now.

I attended the Byron Nelson this year and it was a logistical mess. It will never improve even in the best case scenarios.


I also went to the BN this past year and I thought the Logistics were better than when it was in Irving TBH. I don't recall every hearing any kind of promise of hotels for the TF Golf course and tons of other courses don't have hotels so I don't really see that as a deal breaker.

If they do move to Frisco I can tell you at least one golfer that will not be making the trip up to see a game. Me.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 19 Mar 2019 08:15

A hotel was not only promised, an individual running for Mayor is still promising it at the Horse Park. No basis of reality for what they are saying. The promise to area residents were jobs and economic development. That did not happen and won't.

Quite a few alternative facts being trotted out by the friends of the golf course. They are either being told lies and believing them or making lies up.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 13 May 2019 07:58

Well, the Byron Nelson did not pan out this year. Drumbeat from many voices now calling for the Byron Nelson to be moved to another venue. Went by there on Saturday and there was hardly anyone attending the tournament.

The worry is that the tradition of attending the Byron Nelson will be lost. People who go to socialize or party won't attend.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby dukemeredith » 13 May 2019 08:03

I attended yesterday and also noticed fewer people. They’ll probably wait until the new courses at the PGA headquarters are finished up in Frisco and move the Byron as soon as they’re open.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby muncien » 13 May 2019 09:00

Moving the course from Las Colinas was a major mistake. While the old course wasn't the greatest for players, it was a HUGE hit for those who attended. The atmosphere was great, and even without the biggest players, it was almost always packed. Factor in accessibility, the number of hackers who live in the immediate area, and the Urban Center skyline, it was a perfectly fine venue.
Too much of what was promised for the new course was based on utter nonsense and wishful thinking. All of the talk of it being a possible 'major' before it was even built, expecting the course to change the area, and expecting well off enthusiasts to suddenly flock to South Dallas for the tournament is just another example of the city's incompetent leadership. Attending these events is about much more than just watching people golf. And it would take decades to create that kind of atmosphere out of thin air.
Here's to hoping the next incarnation is able to reestablish some of the success of the former location.
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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby itsjrd1964 » 13 May 2019 15:06

There has been temporary digital signage on I-30 approaching Fair Park for "Golf Parking". Still up this morning. I'm sure the Byron Nelson crowd was just thrilled to have to park in South Dallas and then be shuttled farther south.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby exelone31 » 13 May 2019 15:37

Kind of a rough weekend scheduling-wise too. Heavy rains Saturday morning/early afternoon. The Kaaboo festival (which also seems to have been a bust). The JMBLYA festival (likely different clientele, but another event in the Fair Park/South Dallas area).

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby tamtagon » 13 May 2019 15:52

I don't want this tournament to fail and move to Frisco, not at all. But if it does, I want the folks who forced this deal through, the same ones who forced the horse park through (which by the way supplanted a homegrown, good-for-the-neighborhood horse park) put on a new millennial pillory until they move to another town from the embarrassment.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby exelone31 » 14 May 2019 15:10

tamtagon wrote:I don't want this tournament to fail and move to Frisco, not at all. But if it does, I want the folks who forced this deal through, the same ones who forced the horse park through (which by the way supplanted a homegrown, good-for-the-neighborhood horse park) put on a new millennial pillory until they move to another town from the embarrassment.


Who are the folks who forced this one through? I am genuinely curious, I have no idea aside from (I'm assuming) Mike Rawlings.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 17 May 2019 08:44

^ Same people who still want a tollroad along the Trinity. Same people who screwed up Victory Park where it was a disaster for a decade. Same people who want a new New York City designed park between the levees. Same. Same.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby tamtagon » 17 May 2019 11:39

The staying power of this core group of "civic" minded folks is remarkable. The mostly municipally funded community projects promoted by this legacy group stopped being in the best interest of the city and it's residents before the turn of the century.

The horse park is the penultimate insult to civic mindedness, the publicly funded private golf course is a close second. At one point, the grand plan included 'world class' polo fields, too -- paid for by the city but virtually a members only facility.

The initiative is outstanding, horse park, golf course.... but the execution is reprehensible and the operation is even worse.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 May 2019 14:46

And of course, once the Byron Nelson does move Dallas will be stuck with an expensive useless golf course that won't have the benefit of a major tournament to keep its head above the water in terms of finances. It will be an anchor and money drain even worse than the city-funded grocery store or the Standing Wave fiasco, oh and there's that whole Trinity Bridge we can't use cause the support wires might pop and slash bike riders or pedestrians in half.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 21 May 2019 08:28

The City of Dallas promised the taxpayer that the City's investment in the golf course was to be capped at $12 million dollars. Of course that promise, even written into the ordinance was not followed.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby muncien » 21 May 2019 09:18

Ten years from now, this course will likely look just like it's neighboring predecessor on the other side of the river. But, at least the trash got cleaned up, I suppose. ...At great cost no doubt.
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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby dukemeredith » 21 May 2019 15:12

Trinity Forest is still extremely exclusive and membership costs and monthly dues remain very, very high. It's at the top-end of the spectrum for DFW-area country clubs. Even if the Byron Nelson moves, I don't see that changing the exclusiveness of Trinity Forest.

Another well-regarded course, often ranked as the best in Texas, Dallas National, is also in a rather inconvenient area -- yet it still attracts full membership.

So I find it very hard to believe that the course will eventually become mediocre.

What really hurt attendance at the Byron this year was that it was held the week before the PGA Championship. Very few star players play the week before a major (though, noteably, Brooks Koepka played at the Byron and won the PGA last weekend).

The biggest controversy, as it should be, is that the club was built with taxpayer money. So, if the Byron moves and Trinity Forest remains hyper-exclusive and expensive, why did Dallas (and why does Dallas continue to) subsidize it?

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby tamtagon » 21 May 2019 20:21

I thought ATT was using some clout to get that tournament and course back into the top tier of PGA events...?

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby dukemeredith » 21 May 2019 21:30

tamtagon wrote:I thought ATT was using some clout to get that tournament and course back into the top tier of PGA events...?


I think that was the intention. Scheduling this year was a bit misfortunate for the Byron -- this is the first year the PGA Championship was played in May (in years past it was held in August). The PGA has yet to release the 2020 schedule, but I'd reckon the organizers of the Byron (and the organizers over at Colonial, where the tour plays this weekend) would want a different spot in the lineup.

The question is, though: when else can they play the "Texas Swing?" Can't move it to March -- that's the "Florida Swing" and leads up to the Masters (so it would be the same issue: players would skip it). Shouldn't move it to June -- it'll be miserably hot.

So if not May, it would have to be late April. Tight window.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby casperitl » 21 May 2019 21:41

Organizers say 144,000 people attended the 2019 Byron Nelson which is not a believable number given what I saw:

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... 2017-total.

Even that overinflated number is still half the crowd of 2017 per the article above.

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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby muncien » 22 May 2019 08:56

^^^
Yeah... That's not even close. The public voices of the course didn't help any. I watched several reporter interviews asking them questions and they kept repeating the same generic nonsense to every single question. I wish I had a clip to play, but it went something like this.
Reporter: How do you feel about the course condition for this tournament?
Course Representative: It's a beautiful course, the players love it, the fans love it...
Reporter: Are you concerned the course won't be ready due to the rain?
Course Representative: It's a beautiful course, the players love it, the fans love it...
Reporter: How are the crowds on these first days of the tournament?
Course Representative: It's a beautiful course, the players love it, the fans love it...
etc. etc.
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Re: Trinity Forest Golf Course

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 May 2019 12:00

Honestly, who would go out there given the deluge we had Saturday?


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