Northpark Center

[Cbdallas]

I would love to see this come to Northpark and give it a denser more urban quality.

[R1070]

Now that's more like it. I think JWM will be great!

[Jasimm]

NorthPark is on the JW Marriott New location list.

I have looked through the site and can't seem to find it. Can you share a link?

[itsjrd1964]

Holy Cow! A JW Marriott at Northpark! This would be the first JW in Dallas correct?

It would be the first JW in Dallas and north TX. Currently in TX, there is one, a golf course resort in far north San Antonio, 2 in Houston (downtown, and by the Houston Galleria), and a new one in downtown Austin.

[Roman_Patrick]

For those of you curious about hotel development at Northpark Mall, I found this online today. It seems that Marriott is planning a J.W. Marriott Hotel, the first J.W. Marriott in DFW. The Brand fact sheet on their website indicates "250 Room JW Marriott Dallas - Northpark Center 2018" I can't see them constructing and opening by 2018, but they could certainly start construction by 2018. Anyone know any further details? Also, I suppose it could be built neat Northpark Center, and not exactly on site. It seems likely that a hotel attached to the mall would make sense such as the JW Marriott in Atlanta that is connected to Lenox Square Mall.


https://www.iltm.com/__novadocuments/33 ... 9664400000

Found the list! If this is the same one we were talking about...

[Tucy]

For those of you curious about hotel development at Northpark Mall, I found this online today. It seems that Marriott is planning a J.W. Marriott Hotel, the first J.W. Marriott in DFW. The Brand fact sheet on their website indicates "250 Room JW Marriott Dallas - Northpark Center 2018" I can't see them constructing and opening by 2018, but they could certainly start construction by 2018. Anyone know any further details? Also, I suppose it could be built neat Northpark Center, and not exactly on site. It seems likely that a hotel attached to the mall would make sense such as the JW Marriott in Atlanta that is connected to Lenox Square Mall.


https://www.iltm.com/__novadocuments/33 ... 9664400000

Found the list! If this is the same one we were talking about...

Hmmmm... pretty old list (note that it also lists several in 2017 as "future openings") and it's not from Marriott's website; it's from the website of a travel event company. I wouldn't hold my breath on the basis of this list.

[jsoto3]

Anyway, he claims it'll be a Hyatt and have 18 stories with retail/restaurants along with it.

Sounds like the Hyatt Regency that I worked on at Tysons Corner mall in Virginia: https://www.callisonrtkl.com/projects/h ... ns-corner/

Photos: https://bit.ly/2RPU0xM

Hyatt-Regency-Tysons-Corner-Center-P027-Exterior-2.16x9.adapt.1280.720.jpg

[R1070]

Well, I hope this is true.

[Brettoj]

If we are talking Hyatt I of course would prefer a Park Hyatt. Park Hyatt at North Park. I think it works

[R1070]

L'Occitane is just doing a store refresh and Chicos is closing this location very soon if not already. I was surprised when they moved within the mall because I assumed they would have closed then given the number of locations close by.

[Butters]

JW Marriott checks the boxes why they and NP would do a hotel

1. Largest hotel membership rewards program by double over any hotel group
2. A luxury hotel where executives can expense their stays vs a Ritz or Four Season
3 More Fortune 500 customers than all other hotels
4. Being next to NorthPark provides the hcustomer with world class shopping, art, dining which equals Heads in beds = $$$$

[trueicon]

^ I do think a JW Marriott hotel is sorely needed in Dallas but this is 100% the wrong place to put it. A hotel like that belongs downtown. Putting something like that at Northpark is the type of sprawl that created the mess we have on our freeways and the smog in the air. It is the exact opposite of smart urban development. The kind of person staying at the JW Marriott is not staying there to shop at North Park.

[TNWE]

^ I do think a JW Marriott hotel is sorely needed in Dallas but this is 100% the wrong place to put it. A hotel like that belongs downtown. Putting something like that at Northpark is the type of sprawl that created the mess we have on our freeways and the smog in the air. It is the exact opposite of smart urban development. The kind of person staying at the JW Marriott is not staying there to shop at North Park.

Hate to break it to ya, but putting a JW Marriott downtown isn't going to magically "un-sprawl" the Loop 12 & 75 intersection - That ship has sailed. If anything, a high-end luxury hotel at NorthPark will spur further office, retail, and residential development *in* Dallas that would otherwise go to Frisco/Prosper.

[I45Tex]

Northwest Highway is Dallas' equivalent of Houston's West Loop South (if only in distance from the core -- LBJ is much farther than 610) -- and while the first JW Marriott in Texas went there, eventually a second one did find central Houston too. There it and the Lancaster and the ICON are the most expensive available downtown behind the Four Seasons; major luxury hotels in town are out west.

Whether or not one is greenlit at Northpark, though, the proposal discussed above would be the smallest of the properties with that flag in the state:

1012 rooms
[Convention Center], opened 2015
Austin

283 rooms
Downtown, 2014
Houston

1002 rooms
Hill Country Resort, 2010
San Antonio

514 rooms
"By the Galleria", 1982
Houston

[tamtagon]

I'm surprised there's only one Ritz in Dallas-Plano.

...and the NorthPark area is long overdue for a heavy dose of office space.

[I45Tex]

My sense is that at the margin between very wealthy and scandalously wealthy, Texans and Oklahomans have almost always opted to spend more time on properties devoted to skiing, ranching, or fishing, as opposed to additional toes on the ground in their city.

And that when they downsize and sell the house it's to spend more time in those properties in New Mexico, Colorado, or rural Texas/Louisiana/arkansas, which dampens the volume of city condo & serviced apartment/hotel development in the metros where they made their careers.

[Cbdallas]

That is exactly why urban Dallas needs more moderately priced condo towers. People including myself would live and buy one if it was within reach of people still living out their career here in Dallas. Towers here are in two groups Apartment rentals and super high end $$$$$ condo units. I still say an appropriately priced tower similar to what has been built for rentals in the West Village area for sale would work. There is no option in that area to purchase in a tower setting only to rent.

[Jasimm]

Retail updates to Northpark Center 2/13/19:
RED is a new change/update since last update 9/14/18

Relocating Soon:
-7 for AllMankind-NOW OPEN (Previous Splendid Space)
-Salvatore Ferragamo- Fall 2018 (Previous David Yurman Space)

New Stores Opening Soon:
-Athleta- Spring 2019 (Previous Brookstone Space)
-Dreamscape Immersive at AMC- Spring 2019 (Previous Trains at Northpark Space)
-Saint Laurent- Spring/Summer 2019 (Previous Design Within Reach Space)
-Dolce & Gabbana- Fall 2019 (Previous Williams Sonoma Space)

New Stores Opening Soon in Unknown Locations:
Golden Goose- Fall 2019
Schutz- Fall 2020

Vacant or Soon to be Vacant Storefronts:
-Previous Henri Bendel Space (Closing All Retail Locations)
-Previous Clark's Space
-Previous Bottletop Experience Space
-Current Salvatore Ferragamo
-Previous Pirch Space
-Previous Talbots Space (1 of 2)
-Previous Mac/Coach Space (1 of 2)

[R1070]

Stuart Weitzman is moving next to Johnny Was in the 2nd space created from the Talbot's closure. Fresh is moving upstairs next to Game Stop (Possibly a temporary location). Tod's has moved into a temporary space where the Bottle Top Pop-Up was. It looks like Janie and Jack could be closing with sale signs in the windows and "all sales final" signs.

Not sure what is going into the previous Henri Bendel and Chico's spaces. I don't know if Tod's is just refreshing their same space or planning a move to a new space that could be opening up.

[R1070]

Tod's moved for a renovation of their regular space. Fresh is in a temporary space because they are swapping locations with origins. I imagine Golden Goose will take the current Stuart Weitzman spot after they move.Still not sure what the plans are for the previous Chicos and Henri Bendel spaces.

[R1070]

James Avery is moving to the previous Chicos spot.

[Jasimm]

Loving all these updates! Any word on what will happen to the previous Pirch space? Such a big spot to be sitting empty for so long.....

Also Tesla recently announced the closure of most retail stores to make ends meet, except for high volume retail areas. Wonder if the Northpark location will survive...

Also Charlotte Russe is closing its San Francisco HQ and announced bankruptcy so we will see if they are around much longer... already closed store around DFW.

[R1070]

Charlotte Russe needs to go from NorthPark. I wonder why Tesla just opened at the Galleria if they are now closing stores. Unless the Galleria store is meant as a replacement for the NorthPark location.

[Jasimm]

Newly Announced....

Aritzia- Opening Spring 2019
Alexandre Birman- Opening Fall 2019 (Texas Exclusive)

Salvatore Ferragamo is expected to be opening its new space March 8/9.

[R1070]

Aritzia is going into the previous Henri Bendel space.

Janie & Jack seems to have been saved from closure from the recent purchase of the brand.

Peek Aren't You Curious looks to be on it's way out though.

Is Versace planning to go where Ferragamo was before?

[Butters]

4 cool exclusive new retailers are coming to NorthPark but the huge one is taking the former PIRCH space. This is what I’ve heard through the grapevine, it’s one of the coolest concepts I have ever seen.
The other 3 are high fashion.

[R1070]

When should we expect an announcement?

[Butters]

Pirch Space next few weeks I’m told.

[Jasimm]

BYREDO - OPENING FALL 2019

Byredo is a European luxury brand founded in Stockholm in 2006 by Ben Gorham, with an ambition to translate memories and emotions into products and experiences. Byredo creates and develops a range of products such as fragrance, home, leather goods, and accessories using the highest quality materials available, and high-end design details to fuel a renewed approach to modern luxury. We believe that through creativity, we are able to develop timeless products, both meaningful and inspirational, to people and their lives. This is the first Byredo store in Texas.

[R1070]

Nice. I wonder if that's one of the stores that were mentioned to be announced.

[R1070]

Roberto Cavalli has closed all U.S. boutiques, so that opens up another space in the luxury wing. Also, the Tod's space looks to be split into two stores. Any news what's going in there?

[Jasimm]

Retail updates to Northpark Center :
RED is a new change/update since last update

Relocating Soon:
-James Avery Artisan Jewelry- Summer 2019- (Previous Chico's Space)
-Origins- Spring 2019- (Previous Fresh Space)
-Fresh- Summer 2019- (Previous Origins Space)
-Stuart Weitzman- Summer 2019 (Previous Talbots Space (1 of 2))
-TOD'S- Summer 2019 (Previous TOD'S/Wolford Space 1 of 2)
-Versace- Summer 2019 ((Previous Salvatore Ferragamo Space)

New Stores Opening Soon:
-Alexandre Birman- Fall 2019 (Previous Mac/Coach Space (1 of 2))
-Athleta- Spring 2019 (Previous Brookstone Space)
-Aritzia- Spring 2019 (Previous Henri Bendel Space)
-Dreamscape Immersive at AMC- Spring 2019 (Previous Trains at Northpark Space)
-Golden Goose- Fall 2019- (Previous TOD'S/Wolford Space 1 of 2)
-Saint Laurent- Summer 2019 (Previous Design Within Reach Space)
-Dolce & Gabbana- Fall 2019 (Previous Williams Sonoma Space)

New Stores Opening Soon in Unknown Locations:
Byredo- Fall 2019
Schutz- Fall 2020

Vacant or Soon to be Vacant Storefronts:
-Current Roberto Cavalli Space (Closing all US boutiques)
-Current TOD's Temporary Location
-Current Fresh Temporary Location
-Current James Avery Space
-Current Salvatore Ferragamo
-Current Versace Space
-Current Stuart Weitzman Space
-Previous Pirch Space

[R1070]

Isn’t Wolford still open? I think Tod’s is just getting smaller.

[Jasimm]

Isn’t Wolford still open? I think Tod’s is just getting smaller.

According to the Spring 2019 map Wolford is no longer listed. The space has been combined with Tod's to then be split between a newly renovated Tod's and new Golden Goose boutique.

[Kelley USA]

With NorthPark repositioning the retail and going more upscale, I wonder if they have any plans to revamp the restaurant space? The retail tenant mix doesn't necessarily mesh with the likes of Kona Grill, PF Chang's and Season's 52 which are basically all mid-scale chains. I mean I love them all, just not sure they appeal to the type of shopper that NorthPark is going after these days.

[Cbdallas]

Beyond the food court I wonder when they will add a hotel or residential tower component or both to the mix. I really think there is a market there for that type of development and it would also make it more urban than just a shopping center.

[mdg109]

^exactly. Sometimes I wonder what this thread is doing under the urban development category.

[cowboyeagle05]

Well, considering its surrounded by other high rise towers I think we can still consider it Urban by the Dallas standard which means everyone is driving but the density is still there.

[Butters]

As I posted a couple weeks ago NorthPark has some BIG news coming soon
From reliable sources and it’s more than just retail tenants, Big important retailers take time to finalize deals. Patience!!
As for new restaurants all the exitisting restaurants do well and like all restaurant deals they sign long term leases. I’m sure NorthPark wants to upgrade when they can get control of the spaces.

[Matt777]

As I posted a couple weeks ago NorthPark has some BIG news coming soon
From reliable sources and it’s more than just retail tenants, Big important retailers take time to finalize deals. Patience!!
As for new restaurants all the exitisting restaurants do well and like all restaurant deals they sign long term leases. I’m sure NorthPark wants to upgrade when they can get control of the spaces.

No hints? Lol.

[hjkll]

Snooze. I feel like Northpark used to be on a roll now it's a dribble. They told me by the end of the new year they would have a major announcement and it was Dolce & Gabbana who has 8,000 other stores across the globe.

Will they get cool new retailers on board in the next year or two? I'm sure of it. But I'm not waiting anymore with breathless anticipation.

[Butters]

hjkll you are clueless. NP has brought in or adding 15 exclusive retailers you can only find at NP in DFW in the last year. Name a center that has brought in half that many new retailers.

Matt- I hear Eataly is taking former PIRCH space, so darn cool if it’s true.

[Matt777]

hjkll you are clueless. NP has brought in or adding 15 exclusive retailers you can only find at NP in DFW in the last year. Name a center that has brought in half that many new retailers.

Matt- I hear Eataly is taking former PIRCH space, so darn cool if it’s true.

Happy to have Eataly in Dallas, but ugh, at NorthPark??? It cements every negative stereotype people have about Dallas. That something good can't work unless it surrounded by massive highways and parking lots. Was hoping for it in Uptown where it makes more sense. Sigh.

I do much of my apparel shopping at NorthPark, but I consolidate it into fewer but bigger shopping trips, maybe once a quarter. I won't change that to go to Eataly more often than once a quarter. It's just too much of a madhouse to get in and out of there. In a location like that, I don't think they will have people adopt it as a regular source of their food shopping/dining.

[R1070]

The parking there is too awful for people shopping for food. I was hoping we’d see more parking garages built.

[Butters]

I’ve been to Eatalys 2 new locations in
Boston and LA which are both in busy shopping centers and they are both busier than Chicago which is like Uptown . The Pirch location has its own parking lot which is perfect for Eataly. They picked the busiest location in Dallas which is smart

[Butters]

Also heard from my retail friends in the biz Louis Vuitton is expanding and building a global flagship which is awesome

[Cbdallas]

I actually have been to both New York locations as well as Chicago and though it never crossed my mind I think North Park might be the best viable spot for Eataly in the Metro. It would draw from the entire region especially on weekends it would be a destination.

[exelone31]

I guess that lessens the probability for an Eataly near Cityplace, eh?

[Cbdallas]

So my new choice for eating at Northpark will be between the chicken salad sandwich sampler plate and tortilla soup at Neiman's or the shaved prime rib sandwich at Eataly.

[DPatel304]

Great addition to the mall, although I was really hoping they would locate somewhere more urban. I suppose better here than somewhere else in the metroplex. I'm pretty sure, for a time, we thought it was going to Legacy West. I can't seem to find the thread about that, but I think it had to do with the fact that their timeline suggested they were going into an existing space. There may have been other hints that indicated Plano, but relieved to hear it's going to Dallas instead.