I45Tex wrote:About four more pages of that brochure are gone now. I don't know the year. But google image searching Surtran taxis turns up interesting NYT and architectural articles about DFW opening and Dallas in general.
Yak_Forger wrote:Come on, direct DFW-CDG flights? Meanwhile, I can't get a decent flight when visiting distant relatives in Russia because everything goes through Moscow...
At least it will make the flights between Dallas and home much more convenient, and on Air France nonetheless! I just hope they won't follow the national tradition and be on strike every couple days.
New lounges at DFW Airport cater to all types of fliers
by Conor Shine
...While airlines like American are investing millions of dollars upgrading their lounges with an eye toward catering to the most elite fliers, The Club aims to capitalize on shifting trends in airline loyalty and travel credit cards to tap a new audience of travelers.
“Demand is extremely high and it keeps growing,” said Nancy Knipp, senior vice president at Airport Lounge Development. “What’s really changing is the value of lounge access, particularly in the credit card world. Then you combine that with airline lounges becoming more exclusive. ... We’re opening that up to a broader audience.”
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Knipp said Airport Lounge Development thinks it still has room to grow at DFW Airport, which is slated to add as many as 100 flights per day next year, most from American Airlines. The group plans to bid on the additional lounge space being made available by DFW.
^that's good to hear, in the last decade I've been to five airports so my personal consideration set is inadequate.
tamtagon wrote:^that's good to hear, in the last decade I've been to five airports so my personal consideration set is inadequate. As an emerging global portal, the experiences, services and accommodations available to travelers passing through DFW Airport needs to compare favorably to airports around the world.
The airport should build itself into an intentional and enjoyable stop for long distance travelers. Domestically, all cross country travelers facing 5+ hours total air-travel time (flight time plus time inside airport, excluding ground transpo to/from airport) should be lured to extend the air-travel time by 2-4 hours inside DFW by an array of daypart activities that enhance the reason for travel. Business travelers could have a full suite of full service co-working space available; breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, supper, snack time restaurants in full force to entertaining clients and potential clients; "hotel" rooms for taking a nap and cleaning up for the destination....
The airport facility should turn downtime of a connecting flight into a welcomed respite.
According to a new report from Reuters, Amazon is looking at several top U.S. airports for potential locations for its cashier-free Go stores. The service cites public request records from airport operators suggesting meetings with the head of the retail service. Both the San Jose and Los Angeles airports have confirmed Amazon’s interest. Dallas appears to be on Amazon’s list of potential spots, as well.
itsjrd1964 wrote:http://atwonline.com/daily-news/atw-announces-2019-award-winners
Airport of the Year, to Dallas Fort Worth International, which has managed growth while continuing to add enhancements that ease the passenger’s journey. DFW has transformed into a global mega-hub, investing in new facilities, infrastructure and technologies, but its hybrid use lease agreement model keeps down costs for its airline customers. “It’s truly an honor to be recognized as Air Transport World’s Global Airport of the Year, and it’s a credit to the nearly 2000 employees of DFW Airport, who continually go above and beyond to take care of customers, address the needs of stakeholders, and engage with our surrounding communities,” said Sean Donohue, CEO of DFW Airport. “DFW is experiencing the fastest growth in more than a decade, and we see it as an opportunity to welcome the world to the Dallas Fort Worth region and advance the innovation and collaboration that deliver for our customers and make our communities stronger.”
tamtagon wrote:The next terminal addition is likely to abandon the horseshoe layout. With the design departure from existing terminals should come the expansion readiness to accommodate a competitive hub to oneworld & AA.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/03/03/keep-dfws-economic-engine-revving-american-airlines-make-call-new-terminal
How to keep the momentum going? Never fall behind, said Sean Donohue, CEO of DFW Airport.
“We’re a part of this region’s growth, and we always have to stay ahead of it,” Donohue said. “We can never be a constraint.”
dallaz wrote:Watch: D Editor Tim Rogers Talks Selling DFW Airport on Fox 4’s Good Day
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... -good-day/
...Over the next two months, officials from DFW and American Airlines say they will begin behind-the-scenes talks about the proposed construction of Terminal F, which would be built just south of Terminal D at the current site of South Express Parking.
Airport officials say there's a good chance Terminal F will not be shaped like the other terminals, which feature a half-circle or half-moon design (although in Terminal D's case it's more of a squared off moon).
That's just an example of how the next airport terminal might be built with the out-of-town traveler in mind who is just here to change planes, and not necessarily the local flyer....For example, at the brand new airport in Istanbul, Turkey , the terminals stick out like fingers, making it possible for planes to park on both sides of each terminal pier.
Hannibal Lecter wrote:A terminal without parking would be the ultimate "screw you" to local passengers. What is currently the best major airport in the world for O&D passengers would lose its competitive advantage. Riding a bus between terminals is just so much fun.
Hannibal Lecter wrote:A terminal without parking would be the ultimate "screw you" to local passengers. What is currently the best major airport in the world for O&D passengers would lose its competitive advantage. Riding a bus between terminals is just so much fun.
Then again, knowing how AA treats its passengers these days I'd say this has close to a 100% chance of happening.
Just another reason to keep flying Spirit and Southwest.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Hannibal Lecter wrote:A terminal without parking would be the ultimate "screw you" to local passengers. What is currently the best major airport in the world for O&D passengers would lose its competitive advantage. Riding a bus between terminals is just so much fun.
Honestly, with the new Dart station up and the cotton belt line approved, Uber, Lyft and taxi drop-offf zones ... There's so many alternatives now at DFW... I don't think local travelers will stop using DFW over parkin...also I wouldn't be surprised if AA moves connecting flights to certain terminals where there isn't parking knowing that parking is irrelevant for these connecting customers. I could see this making sense especially if most of the people going through DFW are making connecting flights...
Personally, I'll take an another terminal over parking any day. More flights through DFW is what will keep DFW relevant... not parkin'.
Hannibal Lecter wrote:What is a "connecting flight"? You're never going to have a flight that's just connecting passengers. AA isn't going to start selling tickets marked "VOID IF YOU LIVE IN DALLAS".
(For the record, I got an free parking pass for Christmas so personally I don't have a dog in this fight.)
longhorn wrote:
From a post on Airliner.net
Dallas Fort Worth International Airport and chief tenant American Airlines have agreed to build a sixth passenger terminal, the first such expansion since 2005.
Terminal F will cost about $3 billion and could open by 2025, officials said on Monday. DFW also agreed to spend about $500 million to update Terminal C, which opened with the airport in 1974 and is the only original terminal that has not been renovated.
The improvements and investments, contemplated for several years, double down on the region's commitment to some of the most important infrastructure in the state. DFW Airport and the Dallas-Fort Worth economy have grown side by side for decades, and one’s success would be almost unimaginable without the other's.
Alex Rodriguez wrote:longhorn wrote:flyswatter wrote:I think AA is looking for some deal with DFW for Terminal F and/or Terminal C.
The airport just spent over a billion dollars renovating A, B, and E. The logistics required to bulldoze all 5 terminals to build one GIANT terminal that has the same amount or more gates (DFW has 165 currently, PHX has 116) would be insane and in my opinion would seriously hurt AA since it's their largest hub.
Per the post on Anet, think central terminal like PHX or IAH with long linear concourses on either side. Think Delta's DTW McNamara terminal. That almost one mile concourse has like 64 gates. So two of those gets you 128 gates right there. Again, the median of International Parkway is more than wide enough to fit a terminal like PHX or IAH in it, and AA gets out of having to have man power in four different terminals.
Build it on Terminal F spot and south. Move the crossing taxis over the Parkway further south, way south down where the end of runway taxiway is. DFW is in South flow 90% of the year and it would make more efficient for aircraft ops.
Alot of this is speculation, we will see what AA and DFW comes up with.
Interesting speculation all around, but it HAS to be the remotest of possibilities that they don't go with the standard horseshoe terminal, virtually a carbon copy of D. Not only is the airport grand design built around a Terminal F (and ultimately 10 total horseshoes - 2 north and 2 south of existing) but the people mover is already 100% built out in anticipation of a horseshoe Terminal F.
You'd have to be willing to piss away tens of billions of dollars, maybe they find tons of benefactors that wipe their behinds with Ben Franklins, otherwise there can't be any chance in you-know-where that the Airport is going to bulldoze basically billions in infrastructure (didn't even mention International Parkway) and spend billions more to redesign the original grand design for something "more modern." New Taxiway, new People Mover, the entire airport is built around the original grand design.
Like it or not, DFW is what it is. 11 figures worth of sunk costs and all. I think it was genius but apparently some people like the shiny new objects that have been built since. I guess if you have a few ten billion lying around....
Alex Rodriguez wrote:I think its a lot of bluster from AA trying to get DFW to foot more of the bill for F. F is going to cost 3 billion alone, and thats with the people mover already finished, sitting there waiting for a terminal to service.
Teardown/rebuild of terminals, tram, roads, taxiways will probably cost more than 1/2 of the entire net valuation of American Airlines Group. 20 Billion on the low end. Aint nobody got that kind of money.
Tucy wrote:Why would it cost $3 Billion to build a 24-gate terminal?
By comparison, New Orleans is finishing their new airport terminal with 35 gates for just over $1 Billion.
Alex Rodriguez wrote:D cost $1.2 Billion 15 years ago. Its probably the scale of the thing, D is massive and F will be equally as massive. 24 gates is surprisingly low, maybe its going to be primarily built out to handle 789, 773, big widebodies?
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