MATA: M-Line Trolley

User avatar
muncien
Posts: 1062
Joined: 25 Oct 2016 08:46
Location: Cypress Waters

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby muncien » 03 Nov 2017 09:50

With all that development going on up that way, there has to be a big increase in funds coming in... assuming assessors are doing their job right (which isn't always the case).
"He doesn't know how to use the three seashells..."

User avatar
tanzoak
Posts: 483
Joined: 18 Dec 2016 19:15

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby tanzoak » 03 Nov 2017 12:29

Right now they're using the money to support the Knox Complete Streets project. The MATA extension would be the next logical project (assuming they re-up the district this year). The PID gets $300k a year for a quite small area.

http://www.dallasecodev.org/429/Knox-Street-PID

User avatar
joshua.dodd
Posts: 458
Joined: 23 Oct 2016 01:11

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby joshua.dodd » 03 Nov 2017 15:16

I believe the funds are coming from federal grants. Since the MATA has taken federal grant money, there have been a lot of changes in the business now that it is under federal mandates. But, as I am aware, the Knox Henderson is going to happen.

User avatar
tanzoak
Posts: 483
Joined: 18 Dec 2016 19:15

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby tanzoak » 03 Nov 2017 16:00

Mm as far as I know, there hasn't been any money put towards an extension yet, I don't think? There was a request to NCTCOG earlier this year for $1mil for a study, but I don't know what the status of that is.

User avatar
electricron
Posts: 392
Joined: 29 Oct 2016 11:07

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby electricron » 06 Nov 2017 01:51

tanzoak wrote:Right now they're using the money to support the Knox Complete Streets project. The MATA extension would be the next logical project (assuming they re-up the district this year). The PID gets $300k a year for a quite small area.

A fair estimate of costs based on twice the MATA extension in downtown Dallas because a Kox extension would be twice as far, would be around $20 million,
Sources of data
https://dartdallas.dart.org/2015/05/04/ ... wn-access/
http://www.apta.com/resources/hottopics ... -Sheet.pdf
Yes, both web sites report nearly $10 million for just 0.65 (2/3rds) mile extension.
An extension loop to Knox up McKinney and down Cole will be at least 1.3 miles in length.
FYI
http://dallascityhall.com/government/ci ... tation.pdf

DART and NCTCOG provided the local match for the FTA funding. Do you think DART would provide more when they'll be asked to fund the Knox-Henderson subway station for this MATA expansion to meet?

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Nov 2017 13:02

tanzoak wrote:Mm as far as I know, there hasn't been any money put towards an extension yet, I don't think? There was a request to NCTCOG earlier this year for $1mil for a study, but I don't know what the status of that is.


Yeah, that study was funded and all parties are in agreement that they will move the Knox extension along as funding can be gathered for it. MATA wants it, the city wants it and the NTCOG will contribute to its funding as well.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

lakewoodhobo
Posts: 1326
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 13:49
Location: Elmwood, Oak Cliff

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby lakewoodhobo » 09 Nov 2017 17:23

Image

Progress on ex-Toronto PCC #4614 per MATA's Facebook page.

User avatar
Cbdallas
Posts: 705
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 16:42

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Cbdallas » 10 Nov 2017 14:43

Does anyone know what happened to EMMA I have not seen her run in a long while.

User avatar
northsouth
Posts: 187
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 18:59

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby northsouth » 10 Nov 2017 17:01

I vaguely recall hearing it had some electrical component fail a few months ago, can't remember where or when though. I'm just glad they're back to having enough operable cars to run three in regular service, instead of just two like they did for a while.

User avatar
Haretip
Posts: 43
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 17:18
Location: Short North Fort Worth, TX

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Haretip » 15 Nov 2017 10:15

New track construction to connect new carban space in the M-Line tower. (Photo from MATA facebook).

Image
“A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man!” - Jebediah Springfield

User avatar
joshua.dodd
Posts: 458
Joined: 23 Oct 2016 01:11

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby joshua.dodd » 16 Nov 2017 02:38

Cbdallas wrote:Does anyone know what happened to EMMA I have not seen her run in a long while.


Emma's sitting in the barn. She often has trouble when she goes into service. Nothing has been done with her yet as workers are working on the ex Toronto car at the moment.

User avatar
joshua.dodd
Posts: 458
Joined: 23 Oct 2016 01:11

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby joshua.dodd » 16 Nov 2017 02:40

northsouth wrote:I vaguely recall hearing it had some electrical component fail a few months ago, can't remember where or when though. I'm just glad they're back to having enough operable cars to run three in regular service, instead of just two like they did for a while.


They will be running three cars by January. So far they have only been running two.

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Nov 2017 13:58

Someone needs to make an identification card for the trolley cars. I've been on this forum since middle school and I still don't know the name of the streetcars matched with their appearance and or number. I think the only two I knew for a while was the Green Dragon and Rosie.

The new MATA website has this page now but no pictures...http://mata.org/cars/ Emma isnt even listed on there and I would love to be able to follow things a little easier when they do a social media post about a car every now and then.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

User avatar
Tivo_Kenevil
Posts: 2094
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 12:24

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 16 Nov 2017 15:52

Don't they have their names on them?

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Nov 2017 16:23

Some do yes. If you google a few they show up like Rosie and the Green Dragon but since the names are pretty commonplace on the forum on this thread I would appreciate a cheat sheet for referencing when some of you go back and forth like everyone is in on the joke. Like what the name of the metal one the most contemporary one they have been using? I think it's from Belgium or something.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

User avatar
Haretip
Posts: 43
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 17:18
Location: Short North Fort Worth, TX

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Haretip » 16 Nov 2017 17:04

Image

The metal contemporary car is Emma or 7169 and is from Belgium. Usually wrapped in a beer advertisement and currently not in service due to a faulty relay. Check this page for car pictures, numbers and names:

http://www.mata.org/aboutus.html
“A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man!” - Jebediah Springfield

User avatar
Tivo_Kenevil
Posts: 2094
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 12:24

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 16 Nov 2017 17:12

I know the wrapping helps with cost. But that really kills the charm from these beautiful cars

User avatar
electricron
Posts: 392
Joined: 29 Oct 2016 11:07

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby electricron » 16 Nov 2017 18:07

Here’s their names with links to their photos.
The Crescent Rose or Rosie (Car 122)
http://mata.org/wp-content/uploads/2017 ... 60-674.jpg
The Green Dragon (Car 186)
http://www.uptowndallas.net/assets/UDI- ... rolley.jpg
Matilda (Car 369)
http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/6 ... 331763.jpg
Putlina (Car 636)
http://www.jtbell.net/transit/images/Da ... Place2.jpg
Betty (Car 754)
http://www.sustainablecitynews.com/wp-c ... .21.23.jpg
Emma (Car 7169)
http://www.sustainablecitynews.com/wp-c ... G_1675.jpg
PCC from Toronto (Car 4614) Has it a name yet?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOJVNJJUMAAFBav.jpg

As for wrappings, only the steel body cars have them that i'm aware of, and that leaves just Emma as being wrapped today. The PCC car will have a steel body, so it will probably get wrapped soon after it's running on the line. Vinyl wrappings don't stick to wood well, thankfully.

User avatar
northsouth
Posts: 187
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 18:59

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby northsouth » 16 Nov 2017 19:18

electricron wrote:PCC from Toronto (Car 4614) Has it a name yet?


From an old comment on the MATA Facebook page, " 612 will be named Margaret, after Margaret Crow, for Trammell Crow's gracious funding support in 612's rebuild." Seems likely to me that they'll transfer the name to 4614.

joshua.dodd wrote:So far they have only been running two.

Huh, a few weeks ago I checked the tracker and they had three cars running. Oh well.

User avatar
joshua.dodd
Posts: 458
Joined: 23 Oct 2016 01:11

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby joshua.dodd » 16 Nov 2017 23:09

Yeah, the third one was Emma. But she had a malfunction and has been in the barn. She should be running Friday.

User avatar
Cbdallas
Posts: 705
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 16:42

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Cbdallas » 17 Nov 2017 15:04

Can't wait to see here again and ride. I somehow never got to ride Emma never was in rotation when I was waiting at the stop.

lakewoodhobo
Posts: 1326
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 13:49
Location: Elmwood, Oak Cliff

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby lakewoodhobo » 28 Nov 2018 11:21

#4614 making its maiden voyage. Never thought I'd see the Toronto PCC restored.

Screen Shot 2018-11-28 at 11.19.12 AM.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
tamtagon
Site Admin
Posts: 2323
Joined: 16 Oct 2016 12:04

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby tamtagon » 28 Nov 2018 11:25

What's up with the extension to Knox?

User avatar
Tivo_Kenevil
Posts: 2094
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 12:24

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Nov 2018 12:26

I wish modern street cars had better design. The PCC streetcars look so much better, I think because of the use of straight lines.. The modern streetcar in Dallas and in other cities, the Brookville Liberty model, look like Zingers Pastries.

User avatar
flyswatter
Posts: 210
Joined: 02 Nov 2016 07:31
Location: Atlanta

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby flyswatter » 28 Nov 2018 12:27

That's one sweet looking car. Looks like a freaking tank too. How big is it compared to Matilda?

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 Nov 2018 16:44

Supposedly the ride is smoother on these PCC cars and it looks like the capacity for connecting lots of rider to Klyde Warren will be a lot better considering ever since the park opened MATA ridership has increased.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

User avatar
Haretip
Posts: 43
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 17:18
Location: Short North Fort Worth, TX

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Haretip » 28 Nov 2018 18:46

369 Specs:
• Built: 1913
• Length: 47'10.4"
• Width: 7'6"
• Height: 10'5.6"
• Weight: 21 tons
• Motor: Four MV101 40-horsepower, 600-volt DC motors (

4614
• Built: 1951
• Length: 46'6"
• Width: 8'4"
• Height: 10'3"
• Weight: 19 tons
• Motor: Four WH 1432J 55 horsepower DC motors (220 total HP)
“A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man!” - Jebediah Springfield

lakewoodhobo
Posts: 1326
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 13:49
Location: Elmwood, Oak Cliff

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby lakewoodhobo » 30 Jan 2019 10:51

Posted on the Park District Facebook page, although I'm sure the photo came from MATA.

Image

LongonBigD
Posts: 557
Joined: 25 Oct 2016 13:40
Location: Knox District

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby LongonBigD » 30 Jan 2019 11:29

I am digging those white sidewalls!

User avatar
Cbdallas
Posts: 705
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 16:42

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Cbdallas » 30 Jan 2019 14:59

Have not been inside yet but have seen it on the go and it is a beauty. We need more of these and the extension to Knox.

dfwcre8tive
Site Admin
Posts: 286
Joined: 22 Oct 2016 12:47
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby dfwcre8tive » 30 Jan 2019 16:18

Cbdallas wrote:Have not been inside yet but have seen it on the go and it is a beauty. We need more of these and the extension to Knox.


And need some double-ended cars painted in the Dallas PCC livery (like this one in San Francisco that I see nearly every day).

Image

User avatar
art_suckz
Posts: 116
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 10:02
Location: Design District
Contact:

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby art_suckz » 01 Feb 2019 10:39

My god... I've been waiting for this for soooo long. This makes me happier than D2... cotton belt, platform extensions, 3 car DART trains and the Modern streetcar combined. The only thing I'd get more excited about is the DAL-HOU Shinkansen.
To the man who only has a hammer, everything he encounters begins to look like a nail.

User avatar
Tivo_Kenevil
Posts: 2094
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 12:24

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 01 Feb 2019 12:23

What is up with the Mats extension?

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Feb 2019 18:32

Its probably tied in with delays on the Knox Complete street project. I think the Trolley extension would be a part of the conversion project of converting Cole and Mckinney to two-way streets which was only recently approved for some funding. Please though anyone feel free to correct me where I am wrong.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

lakewoodhobo
Posts: 1326
Joined: 20 Oct 2016 13:49
Location: Elmwood, Oak Cliff

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby lakewoodhobo » 19 Feb 2019 15:27

Seen today. Wow, this thing is massive.

IMG_6255.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Cbdallas
Posts: 705
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 16:42

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Cbdallas » 20 Feb 2019 15:24

I am loving this new car and the extra capacity it adds to the system. Hope to some day see this car cross Knox street with the expansion.

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Feb 2019 14:17

These new old cars are great for making MATA a more useful transportation system for Uptown. The smaller cars were cute and a great love but these new old metal streetcars will add capacity and still hold the historical attractiveness that MATA has been able to capitalize on.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

User avatar
dzh
Posts: 104
Joined: 14 Dec 2016 20:24

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby dzh » 13 May 2020 10:34

Just a fun thing, no real update or news:

By the Trader Joe’s on Cole, they’re tearing up the street and you can see the old streetcar rails. What I would give to see streetcars on that part of Cole lol

cowboyeagle05
Posts: 3190
Joined: 21 Oct 2016 08:45
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 May 2020 12:11

^Well its in the plans to bring it that far eventually. MATA and the city want to go to Knox.
“Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell”

dfwcre8tive
Site Admin
Posts: 286
Joined: 22 Oct 2016 12:47
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby dfwcre8tive » 30 Jan 2023 23:49

Six ex-Dallas PCC cars are available for sale by the Seashore Trolley Museum.

https://trolleymuseum.org/wp-content/up ... ochure.pdf

User avatar
Cbdallas
Posts: 705
Joined: 29 Nov 2016 16:42

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Cbdallas » 31 Jan 2023 12:05

Somebody get out there checkbook and lets get these and expand our system. How cool to have original Dallas cars on our lines again. If I win Powerball tomorrow night I am doing this!

User avatar
northsouth
Posts: 187
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 18:59

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby northsouth » 31 Jan 2023 19:55

They actually did buy an old Dallas PCC in 2009. After sitting in temporary storage at the Illinois Railway Museum for a few years, they finally got it down here to start restoring it, only to find that the decades of winter road salt it had dealt with in Boston had caused extensive underframe damage. It was decided it was too far gone to restore, so they had to scrap it and moved on to restore one of the two ex-Toronto cars they bought in the mid-90s that had been sitting around over at the DART yard since then, and successfully restored it to service as car 4614 Margaret.

While I understand why they made the decision they did, I still really wish we had one of the Dallas PCCs restored and running down here. If I won the lottery, my ultimate plan would be start a whole Electric Railway Museum of Texas. I'd get a bunch of the Dallas PCCs, maybe get the 400-series car that went directly from Dallas Railway & Terminal Co. to the Seashore Trolley Museum, get the two surviving Texas Electric Railway locomotives, get the TE interurban that someone restored but converted to diesel and convert it back to electric, track down any other survivors of Texas based traction that survived but needs a good/better home, take a few of DART's cars when they get retired, and if they didn't get scrapped of the locomotives that TXU used at their two East Texas powerplants that private electrified trackage to move coal from the mines/other railways to the plants.

User avatar
MC_ScattCat
Posts: 237
Joined: 26 Jun 2019 16:12

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby MC_ScattCat » 17 Mar 2023 08:54

I spoke with someone on the council running for reelection the other night. Apparently DART is in the early works of working on a way to fund/plan connecting the the streetcar system through downtown.

My personal opinion is they need two streetcar lines. One Trinity Groves/Sylvan 30 area to Lowest Greenville and one from The Zoo up through Bishop Arts, Uptown to Knox. Both would go through downtown and complement the DART lines and busses. Also, most of the new apartments and entertainment areas (minus Deep Ellum) would be easily reached without using a car in these congested and hard to park areas.

User avatar
R1070
Posts: 1967
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 21:00

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby R1070 » 17 Mar 2023 09:52

East Quarter/Farmers Market through Deep Ellum would be a great connection as well.

Eventually seeing something connect Oak Lawn would be awesome.

Tnexster
Posts: 3540
Joined: 22 Oct 2016 16:33
Location: Dallas

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Tnexster » 20 Oct 2023 10:57

Streetcar through downtown Dallas may fill new transportation needs
Project that links the M-Line Trolley to the Bishop Arts streetcar is a generational investment.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/edit ... ion-needs/

User avatar
Hannibal Lecter
Posts: 818
Joined: 19 Oct 2016 19:57

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 22 Oct 2023 14:21

Of course there is absolutely no evidence that there's a demand for this, and substantial evidence to the contrary (Hello, Hop-A-Bus).

But hey, it's only the taxpayer's money.

User avatar
R1070
Posts: 1967
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 21:00

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby R1070 » 24 Oct 2023 10:13

I do think tourists and non-downtown residents are more likely to hop on a streetcar than a bus since there's tracks and a defined destination. Having more connectivity in the central city through downtown and the adjacent neighborhoods would be nice. I'd take a streetcar around town if it was available. I don't like the bus system here.

User avatar
tamtagon
Site Admin
Posts: 2323
Joined: 16 Oct 2016 12:04

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby tamtagon » 24 Oct 2023 13:27

I like taking the trolley

User avatar
dallaz
Posts: 768
Joined: 26 Oct 2016 14:50

Re: MATA: M-Line Trolley

Postby dallaz » 24 Oct 2023 14:12

We already have two streetcar lines. Connecting them is the only way we'll truly make them useful as a complete system. I think it can be successful if done right. Destinations on it are already popular like Bishop Arts, KWP, West Village, etc. KC's streetcar is a model that Dallas should follow.