Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 04 May 2018 15:25

I hope we get a residential tower with dark brick (almost black).

NdoorTX · Post by **NdoorTX** » 04 May 2018 21:23

Like Booker T. downtown? That would be nice. But why 2020? ^^^

Post by **Tnexster** » 06 May 2018 11:28

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I hope we get a residential tower with dark brick (almost black).

That could be very attractive, just glad they are rethinking what is currently there and will make an improvement. Too bad about the property across the street.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 06 May 2018 15:59

With the land the Walgreens is on being attached to this property. I'd love to see that lot re-developed as well. If we had at least one side of McKinney more urban through that block. It would really help connect West Village to the rest of Uptown. Right now it just feels separated.

Mr. Amsterdam · Post by **Mr. Amsterdam** » 06 May 2018 17:02

R1070 wrote:The the land the Walgreens is on being attached to this property. I'd love to see that lot re-developed as well. If we had at least one side of McKinney more urban through that block. It would really help connect West Village to the rest of Uptown. Right now it just feels separated.

You bring up a good point about West Village being a little isolated. That's probably partly why I didn't venture into West Village much when I lived in State Thomas. It just felt like a different neighborhood because of Lemon, Minyard's and Walgreens!

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 07 May 2018 08:55

Mr. Amsterdam wrote:
R1070 wrote:The the land the Walgreens is on being attached to this property. I'd love to see that lot re-developed as well. If we had at least one side of McKinney more urban through that block. It would really help connect West Village to the rest of Uptown. Right now it just feels separated.
You bring up a good point about West Village being a little isolated. That's probably partly why I didn't venture into West Village much when I lived in State Thomas. It just felt like a different neighborhood because of Lemon, Minyard's and Walgreens!

I find that too. It's not very easy to walk to the West Village from State Thomas and so if get in my car to go somewhere, frequently it's somewhere other than WV.

Post by **Tnexster** » 07 May 2018 20:23

A decent sidewalk system would help, especially along McKinney but that only seems to come along one property at a time.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 08 May 2018 18:59

A lot of that landscaping along McKinney could be torn out to put in better sidewalks if the city worked with the property owners. The section by the Trophy Room is the worst section.

Post by **Tnexster** » 03 Jul 2018 18:48

What's up with the empty grocery store in a primo Uptown Dallas spot? Curious Texas finds out

https://www.dallasnews.com/life/curious ... exas-finds

Waldozer · Post by **Waldozer** » 04 Jul 2018 10:30

“Curious Texas finds out” - “H-E-B bought the store when it closed and immediately said it planned to reopen it as a Central Market. Unfortunately, there is no clear answer as to when.”

Great job there DMN.

Post by **tamtagon** » 04 Jul 2018 10:56

Tnexster wrote:https://www.dallasnews.com/life/curious ... exas-finds

"All I can tell you at this point is we are in [the] design phase with the developer and look forward to bringing our customers a true culinary destination," said Mabrie Jackson, a spokeswoman for H-E-B and Central Market in Dallas.

I'm wondering about this location now, thinking/hoping the design phase could include a new corporate office for Central Market in addition to the 'true culinary destination' HEB will throw down.

This sure would be a great office location for a company needing to test urban culinary destination concepts that underwrite successful expansions in other Sunbelt Cities. We could see as much (partially automated) stock room space for online pick-up/take-out orders as regular retail shelves. HEB could pioneer the brick & mortar - online hybrid in this neighborhood.

Corporate jobs are upstairs of the hotel which is upstairs of the true culinary destination and online order pick up and delivery bays.

I really hope HEB is planning the make this location the site of industry innovation. Amazon Whole Foods and WalMart SuperCenter have not been able to overpower HEB, it's been the other way 'round. I'm going to envision two ground level floors for the grocery store, 250 hotel rooms and ~100-200,000 sq ft office for brand decision making.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 04 Jul 2018 17:28

^HEB will not move to Dallas

Post by **tamtagon** » 04 Jul 2018 17:38

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:^HEB will not move to Dallas

I certainly hope San Antonio will be headquarter of (annual revenue $23 Billion) HEB forever; HEB's Central Market Brand is already HQed in Dallas, I'm hoping McKinney becomes that HEB brand main office.

joshua.dodd · Post by **joshua.dodd** » 05 Jul 2018 02:16

If anything, Waxahachie should have the HEB office since Waxahachie is the only town in the Metroplex with an HEB.

Post by **Tnexster** » 05 Jul 2018 22:03

joshua.dodd wrote:If anything, Waxahachie should have the HEB office since Waxahachie is the only town in the Metroplex with an HEB.

Burleson has one too.

Lakewood2Uptown · Post by **Lakewood2Uptown** » 06 Jul 2018 23:23

There are several HEB locations in the outer burbs - Waxahachie, Burleson, Ennis, Cleburne and Granbury.

flyswatter · Post by **flyswatter** » 07 Jul 2018 06:37

Surely the new plans do not involve the current building? It has to cost more to have security/maintain the building than to just bulldoze it?

SlandersonCooper · Post by **SlandersonCooper** » 07 Jul 2018 15:23

Lakewood2Uptown wrote:There are several HEB locations in the outer burbs - Waxahachie, Burleson, Ennis, Cleburne and Granbury.

...as well as an upcoming Mansfield location anchoring planned mixed-use development @ NEC US 287 & East Broad:

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/loca ... 81834.html

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 09 Jul 2018 08:48

flyswatter wrote:Surely the new plans do not involve the current building? It has to cost more to have security/maintain the building than to just bulldoze it?

Well according to HEB they are in the design phase so it is not too far off and sometimes it's cheaper to maintain than having to dig up the foundation's and utilities and file paperwork to demo etc when you plan to start construction in a year or so.

Redblock · Post by **Redblock** » 12 Oct 2018 00:46

cowboyeagle05 wrote:
flyswatter wrote:Surely the new plans do not involve the current building? It has to cost more to have security/maintain the building than to just bulldoze it?
Well according to HEB they are in the design phase so it is not too far off and sometimes it's cheaper to maintain than having to dig up the foundation's and utilities and file paperwork to demo etc when you plan to start construction in a year or so.

A truck was in the parking lot on Thursday drilling cores. Maybe something is going to happen soon.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 15 Oct 2018 11:11

I noticed that the truck had moved around doing multiple samples so maybe progress is happening.

Post by **tamtagon** » 15 Oct 2018 12:11

Any chance HEB is coming up with a new Central Market concept store for this site? I don't remember how long HEB circled around Houston before moving into the market, but for some reason it seems like the move into North Texas is taking longer.

Post by **lakewoodhobo** » 19 Oct 2018 07:33

And this one:

Uptown Dallas' new Central Market store will anchor a high-rise mixed-use project
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... se-project

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 19 Oct 2018 07:51

lakewoodhobo wrote:And this one:
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... se-project

Exciting news! Now, if we could only get rid of the suburban style properties surrounding this new mixed use project.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 19 Oct 2018 08:15

This looks like they might exceed my expectations for this development. So excited to see this get done.

itsjrd1964 · Post by **itsjrd1964** » 19 Oct 2018 08:50

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 19 Oct 2018 09:24

Very nice!!! Worth the wait. And a 2 acre public green space on the roof!! The only thing that could make this better is a residential tower. The only thing that is left to see is the way the other sides of the development interact with the street. The article says there will be both underground and above ground parking. I'm hoping the above ground parking is nicely hidden and doesn't dominate.

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 19 Oct 2018 09:37

So it looks like to date the largest Central Market is about 85K sq ft. If this one is say 90K sq ft then that gives us an additional 60K sq ft of retail in this development. Considering that none of the additional retail space will be street level that sure seems like quite a task. I'll be curious to see how they position that additional space and how they make it visible. The article mentioned that some of it would face the green space on the roof which could be cool...

Absolutely love this though!!

trueicon · Post by **trueicon** » 19 Oct 2018 09:42

This is pretty much the "best case scenario" for the site and proves the wait was worth it. Awesome development!

clubtokyo · Post by **clubtokyo** » 19 Oct 2018 09:43

This will be a really good addition for Dallas, I like it!

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 19 Oct 2018 09:55

"This activates the entire street frontage, and it will be a great pedestrian experience."

I think I need a cigarette! hahaha What fantastic news!

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 19 Oct 2018 10:20

Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built. Congrats Central Market and KDC for understanding the value of the street-level interaction. This site does, in fact, connect the West Village and Uptown and a draw right at the street like this will encourage more people movement between the two areas. They could have easily just renovated the old building but they saw the potential for more. HEB has vision. Now if we can get Kroger in the gaybourhood to have the same vision.

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 19 Oct 2018 10:46

I also hope this means that the land they own on Lemmon will now be an HEB store.... and fast tracked! Get it built and start penetrating DFW, HEB!!!

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 19 Oct 2018 10:49

This prototype they're building in Houston would be perfect for the Lemmon Ave site.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 19 Oct 2018 11:05

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built. Congrats Central Market and KDC for understanding the value of the street-level interaction. This site does, in fact, connect the West Village and Uptown and a draw right at the street like this will encourage more people movement between the two areas. They could have easily just renovated the old building but they saw the potential for more. HEB has vision. Now if we can get Kroger in the gaybourhood to have the same vision.

Man! That still gets me a little heated. CVS didn’t give a complete and total effe about how they designed their store. It looks like it belongs in Frisco, not Uptown. Since it’s still pretty new, it’ll be there for a while. That’s the sad part...

I’m enourgaed to see HEB come up with something that’s appropriate for the neighborhood. Again, I hope the adjacent properties take notice. *cough* *cough* Walgreens and the shopping center across the street *cough* *cough*

Post by **lakewoodhobo** » 19 Oct 2018 11:21

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built.

Just like Soho.jpg

Post by **tamtagon** » 19 Oct 2018 11:29

^hahahaha

I really hope the corporate offices of Central Market move into this office building in preparation to expand the brand through out North America and the Internet. Maybe the HEB Grocery expansion into North Texas can be coordianted in the office on Stemmons.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 19 Oct 2018 11:48

lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built.
Just like Soho.jpg

Hahahahaha...I’m at work and people are wondering what I’m laughing at LOL.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 19 Oct 2018 12:34

I find it interesting that the other CVS we complain about is also across the street from a future Central Market store which will no doubt also be as urban walkable aware.

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 19 Oct 2018 12:41

lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built.
Just like Soho.jpg

LOL. Even with the landscaping they chose, they made it so random with trees placed oddly, differing tree types, and no other vegetation other than grass they don't even properly take care of. Almost like they purposely did it as a middle finger to the neighborhood. I don't, and won't ever, shop in this CVS and I avoid CVS as much as possible due to how they treat our neighborhoods!

clubtokyo · Post by **clubtokyo** » 19 Oct 2018 13:01

Whoa I had to go check out this CVS on street view.... that is NEW?? They put zero thought. That could be a CVS in small town Nebraska.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 19 Oct 2018 14:28

clubtokyo wrote:Whoa I had to go check out this CVS on street view.... that is NEW?? They put zero thought. That could be a CVS in small town Nebraska.

Unfortunately, it was built in 2014/15.

CVS’ store designs are (always) horrible. The DMN’s Mark Lamster (Architecture Critic), written an article in July about this very thing.

CVS commits urban malpractice with generic store designs that poison neighborhoods

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ghborhoods

Post by **Tnexster** » 19 Oct 2018 14:31

itsjrd1964 wrote:

So I see WV on the left side of this pic and understand the orientation of the development on the site but what is that taller tower in the distance?

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 19 Oct 2018 14:47

I saw that too and I am assuming its a planned West Village tower on the Mutts land. The shape seems to suggest they only know that CityPlace Co plans to build something tall there and want it as a comparison to argue why their ask for taller isn't much of an ask. What Cityplace Co plans to build on their remaining parcels is much taller and something anyone who has been paying attention knows. It doesn't look like a specific design just a generic block design meant to show for scale next to their tower.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 19 Oct 2018 16:29

Yes, the planned Mutt's tower.

Post by **Tnexster** » 19 Oct 2018 17:00

cowboyeagle05 wrote:I saw that too and I am assuming its a planned West Village tower on the Mutts land. The shape seems to suggest they only know that CityPlace Co plans to build something tall there and want it as a comparison to argue why their ask for taller isn't much of an ask. What Cityplace Co plans to build on their remaining parcels is much taller and something anyone who has been paying attention knows. It doesn't look like a specific design just a generic block design meant to show for scale next to their tower.

Good point, thanks!

mcrdal15 · Post by **mcrdal15** » 21 Oct 2018 15:52

Matt777 wrote:
lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built.
Just like Soho.jpg
LOL. Even with the landscaping they chose, they made it so random with trees placed oddly, differing tree types, and no other vegetation other than grass they don't even properly take care of. Almost like they purposely did it as a middle finger to the neighborhood. I don't, and won't ever, shop in this CVS and I avoid CVS as much as possible due to how they treat our neighborhoods!

The worst are the sprinkler systems they have during the summer, which drenches the sidewalk and gets people wet. They seriously don't give a flying f**k.

joshua.dodd · Post by **joshua.dodd** » 21 Oct 2018 16:34

Matt777 wrote:
lakewoodhobo wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Someone call CVS and tell them how much they suck again. HEB understood what they had the opportunity to do here. I would have preferred a firework stand over the BS CVS built.
Just like Soho.jpg
LOL. Even with the landscaping they chose, they made it so random with trees placed oddly, differing tree types, and no other vegetation other than grass they don't even properly take care of. Almost like they purposely did it as a middle finger to the neighborhood. I don't, and won't ever, shop in this CVS and I avoid CVS as much as possible due to how they treat our neighborhoods!

There's nothing wrong with the landscaping in of itself. The problem is that there is landscaping where there should be buildings lol

Redblock · Post by **Redblock** » 09 Dec 2018 17:04

Zoning change request signs have been posted for the HEB property. It is case no. Z189-141.

I think someone said they would request a slight increase in height.

At least it shows they are trying to move the project forward.

jetnd87 · Post by **jetnd87** » 10 Apr 2019 13:26

Saw that the gates surrounding the old Albertson's / proposed Central Market were open today with a few trucks and people milling about. Anyone have updates on this project? Tbh this is in my top three for 2019. The HEB family is also ultra-conservative with their business expansion, so if they're willing to take part in new development it bodes well for an extension of the cycle.