R1070 wrote:if developers built more apartments and condos downtown they'd continue to fill up. I'm surprised we don't see more going up downtown now.
Warrior2015 wrote:R1070 wrote:if developers built more apartments and condos downtown they'd continue to fill up. I'm surprised we don't see more going up downtown now.
Right?? If more don't break ground soon, Fort Worth and Houston may take the lead on dallas and I would hate to see that happen. No offense to those cities.
hjkll wrote:Warrior2015 wrote:R1070 wrote:if developers built more apartments and condos downtown they'd continue to fill up. I'm surprised we don't see more going up downtown now.
Right?? If more don't break ground soon, Fort Worth and Houston may take the lead on dallas and I would hate to see that happen. No offense to those cities.
It really is surprising how little truly residential development there is happening downtown (yes there is also hall arts but that is literally, what, 40 residences I think?)
The issue is so many massive city blocks are empty downtown, it’s hard to do normal infill development. It seems it’s either going to be skyscraper residential tower or nothing. It doesn’t seem possible anymore to piece together multi buildings on 1 city block like 100 years ago.
Also, Fort Worth is literally not going to beat Dallas in literally any metric probably ever.... Sundance square is great and Downtown dallas lacks true great communal urban space, but Ft Worth is still.... Ft Worth.....
cowboyeagle05 wrote:You have nothing to worry about the CBD because it's on the edge of the larger ring of Downtown which includes, Uptown, Deep Ellum, Design District, Southside/Lamar, East Dallas, Victory, Cedars, Riverfront, Ross Ave. All are chugging along on their own pace feeding energy and life to the CBD. As those neighborhoods have densified the CBD has seen its own improvements. More parks are on their way, the Farmers Market is a better amenity now, and Main Street continues to see solid growth, 80's office towers are getting multi-million dollar renovations, new hotels keep going in. In fact, you could argue our wildly successful Klyde Warren is our Sundance if you need that kind of comparison. Our Arts District is just a different personality than Fort Worth and the DMA continues to increase its permanent collection of a significant pieces raising its profile every year. I personally just prefer the flavor of the Dallas urban experience than Fort Worth which to me offers a cleansed Disney like experience which is not my cup of tea.
Warrior2015 wrote:True & I agree , however there should be more units u/c in the CBD. There's 86 acres of land than can be developed. Maybe there will be a big wave of new developments that come out of nowhere. Who knows. Overall, I'm still excited about all the progress in our urban core. AMLI fountain place is going to be a great addition
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Warrior2015 wrote:True & I agree , however there should be more units u/c in the CBD. There's 86 acres of land than can be developed. Maybe there will be a big wave of new developments that come out of nowhere. Who knows. Overall, I'm still excited about all the progress in our urban core. AMLI fountain place is going to be a great addition
I think you just have to be realistic the numbers for the CBD when it comes to buying property and building there are different. The CBD is on the bleeding edge of redevelopment, Downtown Fort Worth is not in a similar redevelopment pattern for its municipality. The CBD is not in demand as much as Deep Ellum or Uptown which in Deep Ellum's case there weren't any historical buildings to convert. Also from what I hear a lot of those parking lots in Downtown are being held for high prices by owners hoping such demand is coming in the next 10-20yrs. In the CBD its made more monetary sense to buy empty office towers and convert to residential and we have had lots of that in the last 5-10 years.
Right now we have four residential projects under construction in the CBD. Two near the Farmers Market and one next to the Statler and the before mentioned Hall Arts Condo tower. Two proposed for the Ross Ave/Arts District area. One just outside of the border aka the Epic residential component. It's not a bad number to have honestly.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:cowboyeagle05 wrote:Warrior2015 wrote:True & I agree , however there should be more units u/c in the CBD. There's 86 acres of land than can be developed. Maybe there will be a big wave of new developments that come out of nowhere. Who knows. Overall, I'm still excited about all the progress in our urban core. AMLI fountain place is going to be a great addition
I think you just have to be realistic the numbers for the CBD when it comes to buying property and building there are different. The CBD is on the bleeding edge of redevelopment, Downtown Fort Worth is not in a similar redevelopment pattern for its municipality. The CBD is not in demand as much as Deep Ellum or Uptown which in Deep Ellum's case there weren't any historical buildings to convert. Also from what I hear a lot of those parking lots in Downtown are being held for high prices by owners hoping such demand is coming in the next 10-20yrs. In the CBD its made more monetary sense to buy empty office towers and convert to residential and we have had lots of that in the last 5-10 years.
Right now we have four residential projects under construction in the CBD. Two near the Farmers Market and one next to the Statler and the before mentioned Hall Arts Condo tower. Two proposed for the Ross Ave/Arts District area. One just outside of the border aka the Epic residential component. It's not a bad number to have honestly.
Is Matthews affordable housing project by Dallas HS still happening?
willyk wrote:My model is how low rise State Thomas laid the foundation for high rise Uptown. That’s what we need in the CBD.
R1070 wrote:I just wish we could get the West End more connected with the core of downtown.
joshua.dodd wrote:"Extended MATA from McKinney/Cole to Cedar Springs to Olive to Houston Street to Union Station."
Yeah, that's never going to happen. MATA can't even survive without DART funding. Your best bet is for the DART streetcar to extend service into the West End.
Also, the city and DART needs to get off their behinds nd clean up the West End station.
The owner of downtown Dallas' landmark Fountain Place tower will cover the huge new parking garage next door in the same green glass as the skyscraper and a new high-rise apartment being built next door.
"We went with glass that matches the office and residential towers," said Goddard Investment Group's Jim Wilson. The owner "liked tying all three structures together visually to emphasize the common mixed-use. It should start going on this week."
clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Let's not make Austin seem like they're light years away now.
Warrior2015 wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Let's not make Austin seem like they're light years away now.
Who said anything about them being light years ahead?? I simply said they have more. Back in like 2015 or so they had over 15,000 residents I remember. Dallas has between 11k and 12k. So Austin is definitely on it's way to about 20k in the next couple years
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Warrior2015 wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Let's not make Austin seem like they're light years away now.
Who said anything about them being light years ahead?? I simply said they have more. Back in like 2015 or so they had over 15,000 residents I remember. Dallas has between 11k and 12k. So Austin is definitely on it's way to about 20k in the next couple years
The guy who literally said "Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go".
And I wasn't even replying to u lol
Edit: from what I know the Austin downtown alliance has 14.8 K listed on their site. But If your saying they had 15 K years ago then idk.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:In Austin is the use of MoPac and 35 with the river as a southern border and MLK as the northern limit acceptable?
Tucy wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:clubtokyo wrote:Umm Austin has over 12000 residences downtown. Dallas has a long way to go.
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Source? and what projects have been completed since the date of your 2017 population estimate?
The best estimate we have is from our own DCH, who put the estimate right at 10,000 in 2017; a little under 12,000 when all projects then under construction are completed: http://dfwu.dallasmetropolis.com/viewtopic.php?t=179
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Tucy wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Source? and what projects have been completed since the date of your 2017 population estimate?
The best estimate we have is from our own DCH, who put the estimate right at 10,000 in 2017; a little under 12,000 when all projects then under construction are completed: http://dfwu.dallasmetropolis.com/viewtopic.php?t=179
DDI had the count in early 2017 as 10.7 K per the information they shared in their annual meeting (last April I believe). Since we have had the projects in Farmer Markets be completed not to mention the Statler residences which weren't accounted for.
Tucy wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Tucy wrote:
Source? and what projects have been completed since the date of your 2017 population estimate?
The best estimate we have is from our own DCH, who put the estimate right at 10,000 in 2017; a little under 12,000 when all projects then under construction are completed: http://dfwu.dallasmetropolis.com/viewtopic.php?t=179
DDI had the count in early 2017 as 10.7 K per the information they shared in their annual meeting (last April I believe). Since we have had the projects in Farmer Markets be completed not to mention the Statler residences which weren't accounted for.
Maybe they've changed their ways, but DDI has never before been a reliable source for downtown population numbers.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Tucy wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Uh... You do realize there were over 11K ppl in DTD back in 2017 right?
It's probably at or over 12K now with all the recently completed projects.
Source? and what projects have been completed since the date of your 2017 population estimate?
The best estimate we have is from our own DCH, who put the estimate right at 10,000 in 2017; a little under 12,000 when all projects then under construction are completed: http://dfwu.dallasmetropolis.com/viewtopic.php?t=179
DDI had the count in early 2017 as 10.7 K per the information they shared in their annual meeting (last April I believe). Since we have had the projects in Farmer Markets be completed not to mention the Statler residences which weren't accounted for.
The new parking garage + the old underground parking garage = a hell of a lot of parkingTnexster wrote:Back on AMLI, an observation about the now completed 10 story parking garage. Being in an office that looks down on this complex I can not help but notice that they have an abundance of parking in that garage. So much so that once you get above the third level there appear to be very few cars parked. There is one person that always parks on the roof and he has the entire roof to himself. In any case, they appear to have adequate parking and since the residential will have 8-10 floors of its own....well there is lots of parking space here now.
dallaz wrote:The new parking garage + the old underground parking garage = a hell of a lot of parkingTnexster wrote:Back on AMLI, an observation about the now completed 10 story parking garage. Being in an office that looks down on this complex I can not help but notice that they have an abundance of parking in that garage. So much so that once you get above the third level there appear to be very few cars parked. There is one person that always parks on the roof and he has the entire roof to himself. In any case, they appear to have adequate parking and since the residential will have 8-10 floors of its own....well there is lots of parking space here now.
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