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itsjrd1964 wrote:And that 'engaging nightclubs' thing? Won't happen till Frisco quits having the no-more-drinking-and-clubs-after-midnight mentality every time there is an election. They keep giving 2 hours of potential revenue away every night to Plano and other cities.

itsjrd1964 wrote:And that 'engaging nightclubs' thing? Won't happen till Frisco quits having the no-more-drinking-and-clubs-after-midnight mentality every time there is an election.

How does Concrete Cowboy get away with it?

exelone31 wrote:Yeah I'm pretty skeptical that it will be anything that's too earth shattering. We shall see, but I'd think it will likely be much of the same of what's up there now.

Unless another act of god like COVID-19 occurs, the PGA of America’s new headquarters could deliver ahead of schedule, PGA COO Darrell Crall told the Dallas Business Journal Tuesday. However, not everything on the project will deliver on time.

The PGA is setting its sights on an August groundbreaking for its new 100,000-square-foot headquarters building, which is set to bring at least 100 jobs from Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., to Frisco. It could even deliver ahead of its June 2022 timeline, said Crall.

“We're all dealing with a brave new world in so many different ways, and the PGA of America is certainly among those that are. However, (we) remain incredibly bullish about PGA Frisco, and while we have been modestly delayed with the beginning of construction, we are now forecasted to break ground in mid-August and complete the project well in advance of June 2022,” Crall said.

DAFW wrote:So many ideas and thoughts whirring in my head for this place, I'll throw them out just for the sake of discussion:

- I think what excites me most about this project is that Fehmi Karahan is going to be involved... Plus at this point, I could say with certainty that PGA will be moving its headquarters somewhere in here.
Also hearing that they are doing something "Big and Exciting" by such big names has me on the edge of my seat for this one... Hope they mean it. Although the only mentions of zoning are common terms such as "commercial buildings, offices, retail, single-family and multifamily homes" I really hope they push the boundaries on these and try things that have never been done before especially with all that space. As for Education? Did they mean the UNT Frisco Satellite Campus or is that somewhere else?

- Hopefully, the single-family neighborhood is more modern and up-to-date in architecture to match the new Lesso Mall which is being built nearby.

- Creating a major destination is mentioned too, Perhaps in the tract somewhere, a rival much bigger and one that solves all the problems of Plano's Legacy West will rise from these rolling hills and farmland.

- Also I know this is a long shot but I hope they try a more touristy/international destination/one of a kind type of thing, with all that space it would be a shame if they just put a giant single-family neighborhood and then packed an urban center somewhere... I want something like what Grandscape is doing! a small residential neighborhood and a HUGE one of a kind shopping/retail destination that you can't find anywhere else in the U.S. or (if they're really bold) the world.

-Also everything better be walkable. All 2,500+ acres of it. Give us programmed parks in the middle of a giant urban center, Give us an urban center with absolutely no roads, only autonomous shuttles and a giant Uber/hyperloop Beehive in the center to travel in and out of it, Give us the reason to leave our car at home and be able to take a walk reasonably around all of it. Oh and Give us engaging nightclubs and a reason to stay up till past 1am on any day of the week...

lets discuss,

Next year could be a particularly exciting one for Frisco. The delivery of PGA of America's new headquarters? Check. The opening of two new championship golf courses? Check. The announcement of a 1 million-square-foot corporate relocation? To be determined.

Last week, Dallas-based Stillwater Capital announced The Link, a 240-acre, $1 billion mixed-use project located next to the future PGA Frisco development, of which Stillwater is also a partner. The Link will include 2.5 million square feet of office space; 400,000 square feet of retail, restaurant and entertainment space; more than 2,000 residential units including both condos and apartments; and a boutique hotel. Among the planned office space will be room for a 1 million-square-foot campus, Stillwater says.

Kelley USA wrote:There are actually several developments planned for this area, you have The Fields as mentioned above, and also The Links which has already received approval.

https://www.stillwatercap.com/propertie ... nt-center/

If this area can attract a couple of corporate clients, perhaps even a Fortune 500 company, look out!

Kelley USA wrote:There are actually several developments planned for this area, you have The Fields as mentioned above, and also The Links which has already received approval.

https://www.stillwatercap.com/propertie ... nt-center/

If this area can attract a couple of corporate clients, perhaps even a Fortune 500 company, look out!

Dallas Morning News wrote:$2 billion Frisco project will bring shopping, hotels and offices to tollway near PGA HQ

Legacy West developer Fehmi Karahan is teaming up with Hunt Realty Investments to build a 180-acre mixed-use project on the Dallas North Tollway near PGA of America’s new headquarters. It will be part of Frisco’s more than 2,500-acre Fields development.

Called Fields West, the project at Panther Creek Parkway and tollway will include 325,000 square feet of retail, restaurant and entertainment space, 2,800 apartments, more than 4 million square feet of offices and three hotels.

The Fields West developers have just inked an agreement with Marriott International Inc. for a Ritz-Carton Hotel.

The developers hope to open the first phase of the project in late 2024.

“We are now going in full speed with this development,” Karahan said.

The just-completed agreement with Marriott is a major accomplishment, he said. “The Ritz-Carlton will be the first five-star hotel in the northern section of D-FW.”

large bunker, chipping and putting areas, indoor/outdoor hitting bays and instructional technology

Kelley USA wrote:^^ But if I had to guess, this might be the new $100 million Dude Perfect Theme Park. They're already headquartered in Frisco and most of the guys live in Frisco.

Kelley USA wrote:WOW, actually going to be a Universal Studios Theme Park.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... heme-park/

The company plans to build a family-focused resort aimed specifically at younger kids on 97 acres of land it’s acquired in the Dallas suburb of Frisco, Texas. It will include rides, shows and a hotel, as well as character meet and greets tied to the company’s library of film and TV properties, which include Minions and Shrek. 

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:And I just want to say I hope hope hope Universal has the foresight to secure some of the surrounding land. This is a good market test but I want them ready to expand when this succeeds as I'm 99% sure it will. As I already said, SFOT has been resting on their laurels and it won't take much for Universal to eat their lunch if Universal expands this park with an additional "land" to fit thrill rides for teens and adults.
The concept art has an obvious expansion path in the back, but without knowing how this is oriented on the land it's difficult to tell if that hazy road behind it all is just a road or if it represents the highway.

The midwest and both coasts are chock full of good theme parks and amusement parks. Given our population size and growth, it's always baffled me how abysmal Texas's offerings have been when it comes to this stuff. It feels like we've just been waiting for Disney or Universal to finally take the step and it looks like Universal will be the one to do it, which isn't surprising considering how many years it's taken Disney to merely duplicate one of their existing rides (Tron), while Universal is over their building an entirely new Orlando park.

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:Well my curiosity got the best of me and I couldn't resist making a visual comparison to see just how much room Universal has to work with.

This first comparison is just for fun because the huge caveat of this image is that none of the parks here include their massive parking infrastructure which of course this park will have to figure out as well. I'm also just making up the exact shape of Universal's parcel, but this is what 97 acres looks like on that corner, which is how much Universal says they bought.
All of these are to scale:
universalstudiosfrisco2.jpg

For comparison, if you take all of Disney's California Adventure + the 750-room Grand Californian Hotel you get roughly the same number of acres as the frisco project.
disneycaliforniaadventure.jpg

However, probably the best point of realistic comparison is Legoland in San Diego. When you include parking, the separate water park, and their two 250-room hotels, you get just over a hundred acres.
legoland.jpg

Given what we see in the concept art for this Frisco park, it looks like all the attractions coming on day one would probably only occupy 1/3 or 1/2 of Legoland's park space, so there should be ample room to expand.

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:…The midwest and both coasts are chock full of good theme parks and amusement parks. Given our population size and growth, it's always baffled me how abysmal Texas's offerings have been when it comes to this stuff. It feels like we've just been waiting for Disney or Universal to finally take the step...

Tucy wrote:Additional info re: relative scale —. From the DMN article: Unlike Universal Studios’ sprawling parks in Orlando, Los Angeles and abroad, the Frisco development will be a much smaller attraction — the first of multiple such projects the company plans.

Also: The new park concept will be about one-quarter the size of traditional resorts in Los Angeles and Orlando with an adjacent hotel.

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