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Is there any word as to when this development will be completed?




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TXGunLover wrote:

lwtx wrote:Say Kelley, looks like construction has started again on the site at Bush Tpk and Las Colinas Blvd (where Market Street was going to be). Any idea what’s planned now? I’m guessing retail since there’s a “For Lease” sign by the road. Good to see movement again after they dozed the trees then stopped.

Lifetime fitness...

Is Lifetime the only thing going there? The entire plot of land has been cleared and it's a huge space.[/quote]

bozekimb94 wrote:Is there any word as to when this development will be completed?

quote="vman"]

TXGunLover wrote:

lwtx wrote:Say Kelley, looks like construction has started again on the site at Bush Tpk and Las Colinas Blvd (where Market Street was going to be). Any idea what’s planned now? I’m guessing retail since there’s a “For Lease” sign by the road. Good to see movement again after they dozed the trees then stopped.

Lifetime fitness...

Is Lifetime the only thing going there? The entire plot of land has been cleared and it's a huge space.

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No, to date there will also be an Outback Steakhouse, Frost Bank and a 7-11 up on the corner. Looks to be one off the new prototype 7-11's that has the Laredo Taco Co. located inside. There are 5 - 6 additional pad sites, so more tenants will be coming. Hopefully a few more restaurants, but this development isn't really super exciting. It's a complete letdown from the previous 3 - 4 proposals. This was one of my favorite proposals:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/1146194 ... as-Colinas

Kelley USA wrote:

bozekimb94 wrote:Is there any word as to when this development will be completed?

quote="vman"]

TXGunLover wrote:Lifetime fitness...

Is Lifetime the only thing going there? The entire plot of land has been cleared and it's a huge space.

No, to date there will also be an Outback Steakhouse, Frost Bank and a 7-11 up on the corner. Looks to be one off the new prototype 7-11's that has the Laredo Taco Co. located inside. There are 5 - 6 additional pad sites, so more tenants will be coming. Hopefully a few more restaurants, but this development isn't really super exciting. It's a complete letdown from the previous 3 - 4 proposals. This was one of my favorite proposals:

https://www.behance.net/gallery/1146194 ... as-Colinas[/quote]
Yes, in general it's a disappointing site.

Wells Fargo has officially purchased land on Lake Carolyn. I'm guessing we're probably still 6 - 12 months from seeing any activity here, but good to see things are still progressing.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ng-campus/

Official announcement from the State of Texas, including comments from Gov Abbott, Irving Mayor and Wells Fargo spokesperson. Now just looking for those finalized renderings.

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governo ... -in-irving

It’s about to officially get Ritzy in Las Colinas! Four Seasons will certainly be taken over by Ritz Carlton in 2024.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... ernational

Are they building only the Sandman Signature hotel or also the Sutton hotel in Star Park together? Both are Canadian chain of hotels. The entire perimeter seems to be blocked off; so I remain hopeful.

Pukar2000 wrote:It’s about to officially get Ritzy in Las Colinas! Four Seasons will certainly be taken over by Ritz Carlton in 2024.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... ernational

Yep, sounds like it's going to be great! Nice $55 million investment into the property. Looking forward to the new John Tesar Knife Italian and his Burger Bar concept. Should be great additions!

Pukar2000 wrote:Are they building only the Sandman Signature hotel or also the Sutton hotel in Star Park together? Both are Canadian chain of hotels. The entire perimeter seems to be blocked off; so I remain hopeful.

Right now, it is just the Sandman Signature. They have not pulled any permits for the Sutton (both concepts are owned by Northland Properties). The only question pertaining to the Sandman is if they're still going to include a Moxie's. Last I heard it was going to be a last-minute decision as to if it's included or not. I do think Moxie's would do very well here though!

I was worried the property would downgrade, but sure seems the opposite is happening! That's great!

Here are some links with renderings of the WF development.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... utType=amp

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4 ... 6882719558

Anyone know what is being built in the tiny green space behind the ‘Stand Up Paddle’ (SUP) hut and sorta under the new/unused APT station at the Water Street property? More retail (per original design renderings) or just more parking spaces?

Pukar2000 wrote:Anyone know what is being built in the tiny green space behind the ‘Stand Up Paddle’ (SUP) hut and sorta under the new/unused APT station at the Water Street property? More retail (per original design renderings) or just more parking spaces?

Well sadly it's just going to be more parking. They're also putting in additional parking in the little green space right by the pet store (or whatever that is). Not too much going on in Irving / Las Colinas at the moment.

Kelley USA wrote:

Pukar2000 wrote:A
'Not too much going on in Irving / Las Colinas at the moment.

Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

vman wrote:

Kelley USA wrote:

Pukar2000 wrote:A
'Not too much going on in Irving / Las Colinas at the moment.

Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

Not too much going on anywhere aside from the area along DNT from SR 121 to Highway 380 (Frisco).

It sucks...

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2023006840 Info re: Wells Fargo

CTroyMathis wrote:https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/Project/TABS2023006840 Info re: Wells Fargo

Just saw that! They're actually starting sooner than I thought, assuming they actually do start in January. It'll be fun to watch this one go up. Looking forward to seeing some more / better renderings too.

vman wrote:

Kelley USA wrote:

Pukar2000 wrote:A
'Not too much going on in Irving / Las Colinas at the moment.

Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

I did notice that Sleep Number has closed in that shopping center. Hopefully they'll be able to attract a cool little restaurant or something. That Dave's Hot Chicken seems pretty busy whenever I drive by. Good for them!

Only other things I've really noticed, is that build-out for Tupelo Honey is underway at Star Park. Also, Fogo de Cho is looking to build a standalone restaurant on 635 on the corner right next to the 7-11 HQ. It's technically part of Cypress Waters, but it comes before council this Thursday.

vman wrote:

Kelley USA wrote:

Pukar2000 wrote:A
'Not too much going on in Irving / Las Colinas at the moment.

Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

We're lucky to have the Whole Foods, they nearly canceled the project right before opening and it remains their lowest revenue store in DFW.

TXGunLover wrote:

vman wrote:

Kelley USA wrote:

Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

We're lucky to have the Whole Foods, they nearly canceled the project right before opening and it remains their lowest revenue store in DFW.

I do remember it took them quite some time to finally commit. The initial rumor was the developer was negotiating with both WF and Central Market. But I do know folks within the City, and people at CBRE that lease the property, have indicated this is actually a high-volume store for WF. CBRE even markets the property as a high-volume WF anchored center. I do know it always seems to be packed when I drive by.

Found this on the Corgan website. It's clearly the old Texas Stadium site, and I'm sure this plan is super old, but neat to see the possibilities. Assuming this may have been part of the Irving pitch for Amazon HQ2.

https://www.corgan.com/projects/project ... evelopment

Kelley USA wrote:Found this on the Corgan website. It's clearly the old Texas Stadium site, and I'm sure this plan is super old, but neat to see the possibilities. Assuming this may have been part of the Irving pitch for Amazon HQ2.

https://www.corgan.com/projects/project ... evelopment

No pictures of that "signature" bridge over 114? I can't stand that thing. It looks like a 10-year-old designed it.

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:

vman wrote:
Ain't that the truth. I saw a new Spectrum store opening in the Whole Foods shopping strip. This has to be the lamest Whole Food anchored shopping strip I've ever seen.

Oh, but Dave's Hot Chicken is open off 635. It's really good; so there's that.

We're lucky to have the Whole Foods, they nearly canceled the project right before opening and it remains their lowest revenue store in DFW.

I do remember it took them quite some time to finally commit. The initial rumor was the developer was negotiating with both WF and Central Market. But I do know folks within the City, and people at CBRE that lease the property, have indicated this is actually a high-volume store for WF. CBRE even markets the property as a high-volume WF anchored center. I do know it always seems to be packed when I drive by.

It's actually the lowest producing store in DFW. HEB was never interested despite being begged go join the discussion.

Strange things are afoot at the Frys

TXGunLover wrote:Strange things are afoot at the Frys

Yes, I can speak to that. That location is being turned into 2 separate tracts. The Fry's will be turned into indoor storage units. The outside of the building will be completely refaced. The south tract, closest to 635, will be developed as retail (1 large tenant). Speculation is that Costco will be the tenant on that tract, but could change.

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:Strange things are afoot at the Frys

Yes, I can speak to that. That location is being turned into 2 separate tracts. The Fry's will be turned into indoor storage units. The outside of the building will be completely refaced. The south tract, closest to 635, will be developed as retail (1 large tenant). Speculation is that Costco will be the tenant on that tract, but could change.

It begs the question of what wil happen to either the Southlake or Lewisville Costco if that is true. They're all kind of close to each other.

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:Strange things are afoot at the Frys

Yes, I can speak to that. That location is being turned into 2 separate tracts. The Fry's will be turned into indoor storage units. The outside of the building will be completely refaced. The south tract, closest to 635, will be developed as retail (1 large tenant). Speculation is that Costco will be the tenant on that tract, but could change.

That's not the retailer I was told that was in the NDA, but time will tell. Costco would be nice to not drive to the Southlake one (the Lewisville one is always poorly stocked).

TXGunLover wrote:

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:Strange things are afoot at the Frys

Yes, I can speak to that. That location is being turned into 2 separate tracts. The Fry's will be turned into indoor storage units. The outside of the building will be completely refaced. The south tract, closest to 635, will be developed as retail (1 large tenant). Speculation is that Costco will be the tenant on that tract, but could change.

That's not the retailer I was told that was in the NDA, but time will tell. Costco would be nice to not drive to the Southlake one (the Lewisville one is always poorly stocked).

Could it be H-E-B?

I meant to post this earlier, but the entire 300 acre Exxon Mobil campus has been purchased by Capital Commercial Investments. They're hoping to create a luxury master-planned community that will help attract additional Fortune 500 companies. We'll see what comes of it, but could be promising. Same company that also purchased the JC Penny HQ in Plano.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -investor/

Copper & Vine is replacing Fish City Grill.

coppernvine.com

TXGunLover wrote:Copper & Vine is replacing Fish City Grill.

Never heard of it... Just a one-off restaurant from a local company?

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:Copper & Vine is replacing Fish City Grill.

Never heard of it... Just a one-off restaurant from a local company?

There is a restaurant called Copper Vine in New Orleans.

Not sure if they're affiliated with this supposed place
in Las Colinas...

Looks like The Gingerman is on the way out. A new restaurant called Tivona will be taking over the space. Could be that maybe The Gingerman will be moving into the old Ouzi space, as that space does have a LOI on it?? I think it would be missed if it closed all together.

TXGunLover wrote:
We're lucky to have the Whole Foods, they nearly canceled the project right before opening and it remains their lowest revenue store in DFW.

That's surprising to hear. I'd have guessed the Lakewood Whole Foods is the lowest performing store. That place is dead.

Fogo de Chao is taking over the old Walk-ons it seems.

TXGunLover wrote:Fogo de Chao is taking over the old Walk-ons it seems.

I know they just approved a new ground-up build for Fogo on the other side of 635 (right on the corner near the 7-11 HQ, where the new Green Acres nursery is opening). But I guess they could save a little bit of $$ if they revamped the Walk-ons. But they just approved the new build a month ago.

Kelley USA wrote:

TXGunLover wrote:Fogo de Chao is taking over the old Walk-ons it seems.

I know they just approved a new ground-up build for Fogo on the other side of 635 (right on the corner near the 7-11 HQ, where the new Green Acres nursery is opening). But I guess they could save a little bit of $$ if they revamped the Walk-ons. But they just approved the new build a month ago.

I misread the January 2023 development map location. Surprised since there are already like 23 Brazilian steakhouses in Las Colinas that are always empty... including the new one in the old Champps...

Watching a presentation on the Wells Fargo project, better renderings than what I have seen so far. Looks like the buildings will at least look better than I thought. Not sure I knew they have space for four towers but may have just missed that. Looks like all four would be the same. Of course the garage is gigantic at 4000 spaces. Landscaping looks good, lots of focus on that during the presentation.

The garage is absolutely ridiculous. And, lol to the 23 empty Brazilian steakhouses. That was low-key funny as hell.

CTroyMathis wrote:The garage is absolutely ridiculous. And, lol to the 23 empty Brazilian steakhouses. That was low-key funny as hell.

And I am fairly sure the garage is just the first of two. of they move on to phases 3 & 4.

Is the presentation online to view anywhere? I was hoping some additional renderings would show the project to be a bit better than what has already been shown. I'm sort of torn on the garage. I think maybe I do like having the garage on the outskirts instead of in the middle of the development?? But was really hoping for more height on this project. Seems like a pretty disappointing design for the high-visibility parcel.

And yes, the entire Wells Fargo project could grow to 1.6 million sf. There have been rumors of a HQ move once the project nears completion, but I'm not sure I'm totally buying into that.

Kelley USA wrote:Is the presentation online to view anywhere? I was hoping some additional renderings would show the project to be a bit better than what has already been shown. I'm sort of torn on the garage. I think maybe I do like having the garage on the outskirts instead of in the middle of the development?? But was really hoping for more height on this project. Seems like a pretty disappointing design for the high-visibility parcel.

And yes, the entire Wells Fargo project could grow to 1.6 million sf. There have been rumors of a HQ move once the project nears completion, but I'm not sure I'm totally buying into that.

It would make sense though

DFW is amongst Wells Fargo's largest market, we have their largest share of employees outside of Charlotte (and maybe SF), the top brass is already in NYC and it would be on brand with all the other HQs fleeing California for Texas because of much lower taxes.

It's for many of those same reasons I see Goldman Sachs eventually relocating their HQ here as well.

Kelley USA wrote:Is the presentation online to view anywhere? I was hoping some additional renderings would show the project to be a bit better than what has already been shown. I'm sort of torn on the garage. I think maybe I do like having the garage on the outskirts instead of in the middle of the development?? But was really hoping for more height on this project. Seems like a pretty disappointing design for the high-visibility parcel.

And yes, the entire Wells Fargo project could grow to 1.6 million sf. There have been rumors of a HQ move once the project nears completion, but I'm not sure I'm totally buying into that.

No it was still considered confidential and they didn't want details in the presentation shared.

Curious why they'd be so secretive about the details when they're ready to break ground ASAP? I mean the fencing is already up and a construction trailer is already on site. Always thought Las Colinas had the ability to attract other development like this had they not given up all that land to apartment developers.

Kelley USA wrote:Curious why they'd be so secretive about the details when they're ready to break ground ASAP? I mean the fencing is already up and a construction trailer is already on site. Always thought Las Colinas had the ability to attract other development like this had they not given up all that land to apartment developers.

It gives them sort of an out from a PR standpoint if they have to cancel / abandon the project before moving in (which, given the curent state of the economy and Wells Fargo's precarious situation from an operational standpoint, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if that happens).

But I do agree with you about land usage. Some municipalities are just so desperate to get any type of revenue-generating development on vacant land ASAP that they settle for anything, without good foresight for what the future could bring.

Same thing's kind of happening as of late too around the Galleria / Addison / Farmers Branch.

I’m wondering if the current project plan stays as-is, 2 of 4 WF towers and the apartment complex on the peninsula with 1 of 2 WF garage across the street. Perhaps, they are planning the 3rd and 4th WF towers and the 2nd garage on the last peninsula in Northshore space? It is possible that there may be room for another project to also get squished in there, such as more office, apartments, retail or a hotel! Just a thought…

So looks like not all is lost for The Gingerman. It appears they'll actually be moving into a much smaller space. They'll be taking over the El Famoso spot, which is only about 1800sf with a much smaller patio. But assuming this may be a better fit for them!

The Keg restaurant next to The Ranch is boarded up and Red, Hot, and Blue has a lease sign in the window. The building that housed The Keg would be a great Trader Joe's location. Here's hoping!

txjdirv wrote:The Keg restaurant next to The Ranch is boarded up and Red, Hot, and Blue has a lease sign in the window. The building that housed The Keg would be a great Trader Joe's location. Here's hoping!

I’d prefer to see Trader Joe’s find a spot in the Urban Center. The Masterplan does call for a grocery store within the Urban Center…alas!

But the Keg isn't in the Urban Center. Kroger and Whole Foods are right up MacArthur from there, so not sure Trader Joes would go in, but would be nice.