H-E-B Has Finally Arrived in DFW!!!

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Postby tamtagon » 03 Aug 2022 13:33

Aren't they following a similar strategy as when they entered Houston? Affluent fast growing suburbs, then infiltrate the established neighborhoods, something like that.

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Postby OrangeMike » 03 Aug 2022 15:49

undefinedprocess wrote:Wonder what they'd even build on the Bowser property based on the size and the fact that's right in the heart of Turtle Creek.


It looks like they could build something very similar to their Buffalo Heights mixed-used H-E-B in Houston. (I zoomed both maps to the same scale and superimposed the Lemmon block area on the Houston building in the graphic.) Might end up with a few less apartments in a slightly smaller building after setbacks. I'd also argue this block is in Oak Lawn, not “right in the heart of Turtle Creek,” and on a high-traffic, completely commercial street that could easily absorb this kind of development. The main concern would be blending the apartments that wrapped the backside of it into the residential area on those side streets.

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Re: H-E-B Has Finally Arrived in DFW!!!

Postby undefinedprocess » 03 Aug 2022 17:33

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undefinedprocess wrote:Aside from that, they better start on the Beckley store ASAP or I'm gonna get really mad.

My guess is that you are gonna get really mad. Would love to be wrong, but I think they are waiting for a lot more gentrification before starting on this one.

You're probably right. :lol: Was just putting it out there, I know damn well they're kicking the can down the road when it comes to a core-adjacent/in-core store.
tamtagon wrote:Aren't they following a similar strategy as when they entered Houston? Affluent fast growing suburbs, then infiltrate the established neighborhoods, something like that.

I'm not familiar with the strategy they followed when entering Houston, but if that's the strategy they used there, it's definitely at play in DFW. Affluent fast growing suburbs, check checkity check.
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undefinedprocess wrote:Wonder what they'd even build on the Bowser property based on the size and the fact that's right in the heart of Turtle Creek.

It looks like they could build something very similar to their Buffalo Heights mixed-used H-E-B in Houston. (I zoomed both maps to the same scale and superimposed the Lemmon block area on the Houston building in the graphic.) Might end up with a few less apartments in a slightly smaller building after setbacks. I'd also argue this block is in Oak Lawn, not “right in the heart of Turtle Creek,” and on a high-traffic, completely commercial street that could easily absorb this kind of development. The main concern would be blending the apartments that wrapped the backside of it into the residential area on those side streets.
Buffalo Heights HEB vs Lemmon-Bowser block.png

You're right, more Oak Lawn than heart of Turtle Creek. Remembered that intersection/plot being further south, got mixed up in my head. As far as what could eventually be built on that site, I'd love to see something similar to that Buffalo Heights mixed-use H-E-B. Would be so great for that area. Thanks for bringing that store to my attention, good info.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Aug 2022 14:12

They will claim Turtle Creek cause every residential project on Oak Lawn, both sides of the AVenue that are offering rents 2,000 plus market themselves as in the heart of Turtle Creek. Hell Oak Lawn park was renamed Turtle Creek Park cause the foundation wanted to associate with the affluence of Turtle Creek rather than the old moniker of Oak LAwn associated with the gay scene in their eyes. If HEB built anything here, and I doubt they ever will as the Lemmon store is their option for this area, they would most likely call it Turtle Creek cause that's what developers do. Cherry-pick neighborhood brands to make their properties sound more valuable,
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Postby OrangeMike » 04 Aug 2022 14:21

cowboyeagle05 wrote:They will claim Turtle Creek cause every residential project on Oak Lawn, both sides of the AVenue that are offering rents 2,000 plus market themselves as in the heart of Turtle Creek. Hell Oak Lawn park was renamed Turtle Creek Park cause the foundation wanted to associate with the affluence of Turtle Creek rather than the old moniker of Oak LAwn associated with the gay scene in their eyes. If HEB built anything here, and I doubt they ever will as the Lemmon store is their option for this area, they would most likely call it Turtle Creek cause that's what developers do. Cherry-pick neighborhood brands to make their properties sound more valuable,


Proving your point: John Eagle Honda, which is farther up Lemmon from this site, advertises that it's in Uptown. :lol:

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Aug 2022 16:05

We are lucky the Kroger on Cedar Springs doesn't claim Turtle Creek the biggest hurdle to that is probably the reality that the Oak Lawn library won't be changing its name either. In fact, the Oak Lawn library added bars to its front porch to cut down on the homeless population sleeping there.

While I would love for HEB to build an Urban store on this Oaklawn/Turtle Creek plot and leave the Uptown location for Central Market, I think that is just not viable yet. The question will always be, even though Uptown is marketed at the upper price point, would we want a Central Market at the West Village site or an HEB? I know the affordable shopper in many of us wants an HEB rather than another high-end grocery but does HEB see more value in having a truly urban HEB in Uptown in the land that is perfectly poised to challenge Walmart on inner city dominance or will they stay with the store brand they have already advertised as coming already, Central Market.

HEB certainly could start building the store and announce it as an HEB during construction, and I don't think the city or the community would be upset and would fight the change. I think so many people are either so foreign to HEB stores or the opposite aka passionately in love with them in other markets that such a change wouldn't be seen as a downgrade but merely a good competitive entry into the urban grocery market.
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Postby LongonBigD » 04 Aug 2022 21:39

OrangeMike wrote:Proving your point: John Eagle Honda, which is farther up Lemmon from this site, advertises that it's in Uptown. :lol:


Or my favorite—Uptown Chrysler Dodge. Literally across the street from Love Field on Mockingbird.

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Postby itsjrd1964 » 05 Aug 2022 12:48

LongonBigD wrote:
OrangeMike wrote:Proving your point: John Eagle Honda, which is farther up Lemmon from this site, advertises that it's in Uptown. :lol:


Or my favorite—Uptown Chrysler Dodge. Literally across the street from Love Field on Mockingbird.


That dealership originally opened as Love Field Chrysler Dodge, and only had that name for just a few years.

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Postby I45Tex » 09 Aug 2022 11:36

I learned with Food Lion's entry into DFW that it costs a lot to build the distribution centers that you have to have before the stores can get enough customers to pay for the distribution centers. But I don't quite understand how HEB supplied the Central Market stores e.g. Greenville @ Lovers for all these years (decades) now. Is there a chance that lower priced HEB products could be rolled out to that location without a rebranding in the future too?

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Postby CTroyMathis » 09 Aug 2022 13:21

Temple TX, I believe, is the HEB/Central Market distribution center/commissary that covers Upstate. Think I heard about an expansion for it, not sure. Couldn't hurt to get a bit closer, though, some day I guess when it works for them.

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Postby Tucy » 09 Aug 2022 14:04

CTroyMathis wrote:Temple TX, I believe, is the HEB/Central Market distribution center/commissary that covers Upstate. Think I heard about an expansion for it, not sure. Couldn't hurt to get a bit closer, though, some day I guess when it works for them.


https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... fw-stores/

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Postby OrangeMike » 11 Aug 2022 16:37

New store planned for Mansfield. Will be the first in Tarrant County.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local ... 49de3355dc

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 11 Aug 2022 18:16

I guess you could call this circling the wagons or maybe it's more like crows overhead. As mentioned before they will continue to go for easy fruit aka the well-off suburban spots and will enter the inner city market eventually once they have a stable hold in the DFW market. The inner city grocery market seems to be just too cutthroat that HEB is still not ready to charge over that hill yet.
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