cowboyeagle05 wrote:Plano and Las Colinas have had that advantage for years and Downtown is still a small player and will be until more ancillary development happens around the CBD. The CBD needs all the boats around it to be floating not just Uptown. The CBD is on the barely breathing edge of office investment in DFW. The problem is we see tall buildings and we think that must be where big business happens. The truth is the CBD has been last on the list for decades and current improvements that have made a good impact have not moved the needle that much at all. Frisco, Las Colinas, Plano etc are still the top ten in places where companies want to locate. My overall point is the CBD while it has been better in many peoples minds it has not convinced most of corporate America its worth a gamble. We have turned tons of empty office space into residential yes, we have built acres of parking lots into urban parks yes, AT&T choose Downtown sort of, yes, some 80's office buildings have be reinvested in but personally I don't think the BLM defund the police have done that much damage that the 80's already did to Downtown. I think ultimately depending on how the election ends and if the economy starts to truly return will be the real tell. Meanwhile we will continue to build parks incentivize residential encourage more hotels, retail etc.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:For that matter I would worry if Uptown is the one that starts to see people leaving and I mean office space not a few rich socialites leaving their condos at the Ritz as a indicator of a larger problem. If uptown sees serious dips in office occupancy and lack of new interest then we have a big problem because Uptown has been the seed for continued encouraging growth in the urban areas like Oak Lawn, Turtle Creek, Knox Henderson, West Dallas, CBD, Deep Ellum and the Design District.
TNWE wrote:I agree that there's been damage to the standing or "reputation" of Central Dallas, but the fires were set well before COVID or BLM. At the start of this decade, there were some green shoots of progress as more residential and hotel development came to the Downtown core, and things like KWP and the Perot museum created new draws on the edge of the CBD/Freeway loop that allowed some of the energy and activity from Uptown and Victory Park to bleed over and spur more development. The transit option was always there, but for many people, the availability of relatively cheap parking ($5-10/day, not the $60-80-100+ you see in NYC/Chicago/SF) was also an important factor in drawing people in. I also credit the efforts of DPD and DDI's Safety Patrol and Clean Team for making Downtown welcoming to people from the 'Burbs as well- I really can't emphasize how big a role that played in changing perceptions and convincing people that they should spend their time and money in Downtown.
However, in the second half of the decade, some Urbanist activists came on to the scene, backed with Wick Allison's money and a more hostile "Dallas vs the Burbs" view that's reminiscent of our current President's obsession with zero-sum games. For them, it's not enough that Central Dallas gets new development/jobs/residents unless it comes at the expense of the suburbs. They insisted D2 *HAD* to be a subway, and that the higher cost meant the Sliver Line shouldn't move ahead. They insisted that the mere existence of I-345 was stifling growth, but ignored ACRES of vacant or underutilized land inside the freeway loop. These people were never going to be satisfied with just getting everything they wanted for Downtown - they had to get their pound of flesh from "The 'Burbs" too.
But a lot of that was just talk, and the last round of City elections seemed to be a strong rebuke of that crowd, so I wasn't that worried. However, when I saw a certain notable Urban Activist tweeting his support for rioters and defunding the police, literally while they were smashing up stores downtown, I knew Central Dallas was finished for a generation. Anyone with the means has or will move out to the burbs, where their taxes pay to ensure 3-4 officers in shiny new Tahoes are just a 911 call away (as opposed to Dallas, where you might get a response in 15 minutes if you're lucky). If the supposed "supporters" of urban communities are too afraid of getting "canceled" by some sociology grads to admit that a strong and responsive police force as an absolute necessity for their Urbanist vision, they can own the mess Dallas will become
Ace wrote:The reason for this isn't the pandemic, but the more recent political agenda to defund police agencies. When discussing this issue with others, the conversations invariably lead back to downtown Dallas and the assassination of five police officers that happened there.
tamtagon wrote:Ace wrote:The reason for this isn't the pandemic, but the more recent political agenda to defund police agencies. When discussing this issue with others, the conversations invariably lead back to downtown Dallas and the assassination of five police officers that happened there.
In my opinion, this POV is still very new and so far not as morally regressive, but it's similar to those in the early years of the civil rights movement claiming that equal rights for Negros would ruin our society. Texas had miscegenation laws until the Supreme Court said NO in the late 1960s - less than three generations ago - so it's easy to understand how the race based fears persist.
Many people will cancel excursions to downtown Dallas because they are afraid they will get hurt if there's Black Lives Matter and/or Defund the police activity. These are the people who should stay home and watch TV while the more worldly thinkers try to improve our culture.
The intentional ignorance in response to the phrase defund the police is disappointing, to say the least. Since Nixon began mobilizing well bred Christian Americans to engage a war on drugs, our municipal police forces have been militarized and tasked with responsibilities ungermane to the protect and serve mandate. Defund the police [simply] calls for removing tasks from the police force and putting them under the direction of someone other than the chief of police.
exelone31 wrote:If the protests were violent and out of control downtown, we'd be hearing and seeing about it somewhere. The truth is, it is not happening.
On this thread alone, I have seen society's ills blamed on:
- the concept of "defunding the police"
- the killing of 5 Dallas police officers by a lone lunatic during a Black Lives Matter protest in 2016
- "geniuses" in Washington DC (not sure who that refers to)
- disruption to the global food supply
Totally agree with tamtagon. Blaming civil rights movements on completely-unrelated causes is not something invented in this latest iteration of strife. People were accusing MLK and the like of being covert actors for the Communists.
vman wrote:As someone who left downtown about six years ago for the suburbs (the only reason being housing costs), I'm really puzzled to what you guys are talking about. I still visit downtown Dallas, Deep Ellum, Victory Park (worked there till about a year ago) Farmers Market etc. on a regular basis. I was just in Deep Ellum Saturday afternoon and I haven't seen any protest by BLM or any other group. I'm not afraid or intimated to go downtown and have heard no one I know say that they were. Granted I don't live there or work in the area anymore, but judging by Saturday afternoon, even in this pandemic, lots of people still enjoy downtown Dallas.
exelone31 wrote:Totally agree with tamtagon. Blaming civil rights movements on completely-unrelated causes is not something invented in this latest iteration of strife. People were accusing MLK and the like of being covert actors for the Communists.
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