Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

I45Tex wrote:For a glassy office design not too shockingly different from this I always liked the twenty year old now Victory Tower, the one that got away...

Was it the Perots or the Germans who paid the architect to draw up that one? Shaped like a long hexagon that tapers into two squares at the top.

I don't mean the MO tower that was intended as the W's foil. That's a different one although this is a good rendering of that one: https://archinect.imgix.net/uploads/qg/ ... s%2Cformat

I45Tex wrote:For a glassy office design not too shockingly different from this I always liked the twenty year old now Victory Tower, the one that got away...

Was it the Perots or the Germans who paid the architect to draw up that one? Shaped like a long hexagon that tapers into two squares at the top.

I don't mean the MO tower that was intended as the W's foil. That's a different one although this is a good rendering of that one: https://archinect.imgix.net/uploads/qg/ ... s%2Cformat

quixomniac wrote:[quote="CTroyMathis"

Nice find!
Wouldn’t be my first choice, but its is much better than the current design.
I’d break up a bit of the monotony with some texture changes near the tops of each box to create crowns at the top. Strap on some LEDs on this bad boy and you got an icon
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Or you can add some antennas for an eye of sauron vibe
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quixomniac wrote:Or you can add some antennas for an eye of sauron vibe
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Nice find!
Wouldn’t be my first choice, but its is much better than the current design.
I’d break up a bit of the monotony with some texture changes near the tops of each box to create crowns at the top. Strap on some LEDs on this bad boy and you got an icon
515F8563-6BA3-4771-99E0-154F4F01025D.jpeg

Or you can add some antennas for an eye of sauron vibe
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Tnexster wrote:Maybe this tower will end up looking better than the rendering. Another point about this buildings that its right across the street from the collage of towers proposed on that vacant lot with the DART line. Seems like that collection of high rises will steal some of the thunder from Hillwood being the gateway. Be nice to see a rendering with both developments to see how it might look.

R1070 wrote:lol that was my favorite. I think it would look great.

CTroyMathis wrote:So:

The building for this thread as currently imagined:


(Make very large: https://media.nbcdfw.com/2021/05/field- ... s-2021.jpg)

Early Victory Tower site (pre-dating MO concept) rendering where The Victor now is (approx. where the old smoke stacks were) :




3001 Turtle Creek:


(https://www.pickardchilton.com/work/3001-turtle-creek)

tamtagon wrote:I liked the round one, but why does it have to be so standard...?
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mhainli wrote:“Why does it have to be so standard?” Because it’s cheaper, less complicated, less risky - and Hillwood doesn’t do those. Many of us think that many of these development sites warrant more risk and could potentially offer more reward than our conservative local developers see.

rickbansal wrote:

quixomniac wrote:...
You can't have your cake and eat it too

Not true.

What you can't do is eat your cake and have it too.

quixomniac wrote:

mhainli wrote:“Why does it have to be so standard?” Because it’s cheaper, less complicated, less risky - and Hillwood doesn’t do those. Many of us think that many of these development sites warrant more risk and could potentially offer more reward than our conservative local developers see.

Sure that's fair. But you also dont get to run around saying its iconic, the gateway to Dallas, the tallest building in the last 30 years, by arbitrarily cutting off at 30 years

You can't have your cake and eat it too

R1070 wrote:It’s good infill, but it’s not iconic or any sort of gateway as they claim.

quixomniac wrote:

CTroyMathis wrote:

Nice find!
Wouldn’t be my first choice, but its is much better than the current design.
I’d break up a bit of the monotony with some texture changes near the tops of each box to create crowns at the top. Strap on some LEDs on this bad boy and you got an

Or you can add some antennas for an eye of sauron vibe

quixomniac wrote:Speaking of damp squid,

My inside sources tell me these are the most recent and accurate renderings of Hillwood’s iconic gateway to Dallas.
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quixomniac wrote:Speaking of damp squid,

My inside sources tell me these are the most recent and accurate renderings of Hillwood’s iconic gateway to Dallas.
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utgf wrote:You got your wish, but it is in San Francisco. Ironically it used to be a Mandarin Oriental hotel. And they managed to build it in the middle of the block preserving historic buildings on all 4 corners of the block.

jimmyx18 wrote:utgf, one of those building images looks like it's straight out of Sim City 4's image tiles. That's so cool! Where did you find that?

utgf wrote:You must be referring to the one I mistook as original plans for the building. All images posted were found doing Google pic searching for 345 California Center. The building is familiar to me since I live just two blocks away and the two flag towers and the horizontal bridges at the top between the two towers are lighted prominently for special occasions.

jimmyx18 wrote:

utgf wrote:You must be referring to the one I mistook as original plans for the building. All images posted were found doing Google pic searching for 345 California Center. The building is familiar to me since I live just two blocks away and the two flag towers and the horizontal bridges at the top between the two towers are lighted prominently for special occasions.

Ah, gotcha. I'm betting someone created an image tile of the building for a SimCity game and uploaded it so other users could have it as well. I've had thought of doing a Dallas build (including proposed projects) in Cities Skylines, but converting that GIS data into terrain has been a pain.

sterling wrote:The current proposal looks very much like a building now being built in Houston, adjacent to Discovery Green downtown. It "rounds a corner" like this one, with stair-stepping "towers" as well. I think it's proportions are better. Rather than building an original icon, Hillwood may be building a slightly more "masculine" knock-off. If by chance it's the same architect, somebody should be pissed.

quixomniac wrote:They should slap on a giant spire with LED's, renaissance tower style.
It made a boring box truly iconic. Similarly Willis/Sears tower in Chicago.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well it seems no matter how they propose a tower on this site no one is interested and people wonder why the North End Apartments proposal will take 10 yrs...

In the last two years Perot has shown how many renderings for this site 4 or 5?

rono3849 wrote: …Hillwood doesn't appear to be capable in marketing the location. They chose one of the weakest designs for the tower IMO. I just don't think it will ever be built.