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Postby Cbdallas » 20 Jul 2021 13:09

Maybe a new drive through Braum's.

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Postby citygeek » 20 Jul 2021 14:28

Maybe they sell the land and get the hell out of the way of progress and let a developer with imagination do something iconic with that site. Otherwise, I'm down with Cbdallas on a new drive-through Braum's.
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Postby undefinedprocess » 21 Jul 2021 09:13

I'm down with the drive-thru Braum's. That's more iconic than Hillwood's iconic rectangular prism dildo cluster.

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Postby dallaz » 21 Jul 2021 09:54

^^ Not rectangular prism dildo cluster :lol:

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Postby rono3849 » 27 Oct 2021 21:24

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Hillwood Urban just replaced the fencing around their site with this new fence. The artist's renderings of the Field Street Tower are prominently featured all over the fence. Apparently, the company is committed to this design going forward. Who knows if they will actually break ground in the coming months?
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 Oct 2021 21:59

Don't hold ur breath.

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Postby DFW » 27 Oct 2021 22:40

I don’t think the fence was replaced. A new cover to the fence was added featuring the renderings of the Field Street Tower.
This was done at least more than a month ago. Regardless, I can’t believe that this development was first announced way back in 2013 and still nothing.

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Postby NdoorTX » 27 Oct 2021 23:24

https://www.fieldstreettower.com/

38 floors :?

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Postby rickbansal » 28 Oct 2021 08:05

How long has the website been up? Website looks pretty fleshed out.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 Oct 2021 09:43

Well OCP still needs a HQ for the modern era and this looks like its modern lifeless version of the same.
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Postby CTroyMathis » 28 Oct 2021 10:04

rickbansal wrote:How long has the website been up? Website looks pretty fleshed out.

Since March of this year. As for the current version of rendered images, I only know they have been available to see there since mid-May of this year.

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Postby Dragon_Lady » 28 Oct 2021 21:02

This is absolutely weak. There is nothing "centerpiece" about it, IMO. We need a serious return to the past for inspiration or something very different in the current Modernist bent we're experiencing.

Interestingly though, it looks like there are sky-bridges on every other floor connecting the two towers similar to City Place minus the symmetry and overall much better looking form of City Place. If this was previously noted by someone then my apology for missing it.

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Postby R1070 » 28 Oct 2021 22:30

It’s not iconic or a gateway, but I’ll take it over an empty lot for years. The more lots that fill in the more demand for high rises goes up.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Oct 2021 08:24

Dragon_Lady wrote:

Interestingly though, it looks like there are sky-bridges on every other floor connecting the two towers similar to City Place minus the symmetry and overall much better looking form of City Place. If this was previously noted by someone then my apology for missing it.


Those are balconies for "fresh air" there isn't two towers needing a skybridge here. You can see the floorplates here showing the balconies. https://www.fieldstreettower.com/#floorPlans
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Postby Tnexster » 29 Oct 2021 10:40

The whole thing is just a huge disappointment. Wish they had gone with the sculpted glass tower, was a great fit next to the the Fountain Place twins.

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Postby rono3849 » 29 Oct 2021 11:28

Tnexster wrote:The whole thing is just a huge disappointment. Wish they had gone with the sculpted glass tower, was a great fit next to the the Fountain Place twins.


I know the design of this development's final choice is despised by most of the posters here, but I think it's 40/60 chance of it ever being built. Something seems to be amiss with Hillwood Urban. They may be better at building suburban office parks, but a Downtown tower appears to be beyond their grasp. I would have thought that the Perot family would want to leave a bigger "statement" tower on the Dallas skyline, but it just looks like they can't put it together.

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Postby Dallas_Uptown » 29 Oct 2021 11:46

If this thing is ever built, I'm sure the AMLI Fountainplace tenants will be thrilled.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Oct 2021 11:51

They bought and paid for the Perot museum to make their last bit of Victory Park property worth something and that's what they hoped here on this land too. Hillwood failed on Victory Park and they still continue to build out uninteresting urban developments. All their sites in Dallas are just kind of there. The Turtle Creek property is not even being developed by them. The Four Seasons hotel and condo tower that was announced they are more partner rather than true developer. Four Seasons has its own developer for its properties. The Victory Park tower they just built despite having minor interest from the market because Uptown is so cramped for space and they knew they would get tenants and they had the funding to bet on it. This site they have had multiple renderings for and still cant get someone to buy into it. So I agree its unlikely it will ever get built.
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Postby RodB » 29 Oct 2021 16:52

This design isn't very exciting. They may have a hard time getting a major tenant unless they increase the height or improve the design.

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Postby Tnexster » 01 Nov 2021 16:41

rono3849 wrote:
Tnexster wrote:The whole thing is just a huge disappointment. Wish they had gone with the sculpted glass tower, was a great fit next to the the Fountain Place twins.


I know the design of this development's final choice is despised by most of the posters here, but I think it's 40/60 chance of it ever being built. Something seems to be amiss with Hillwood Urban. They may be better at building suburban office parks, but a Downtown tower appears to be beyond their grasp. I would have thought that the Perot family would want to leave a bigger "statement" tower on the Dallas skyline, but it just looks like they can't put it together.


I certainly hope this is the case. And I agree, something is missing with Hillwood Urban.

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Postby Tnexster » 14 Dec 2021 16:16

The worst part about this tower would be that it will block the view of both Fountain Place towers from he north side. And block it with something much less attractive. Hillwood is painful at times.

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Tnexster wrote:The worst part about this tower would be that it will block the view of both Fountain Place towers from he north side. And block it with something much less attractive. Hillwood is painful at times.


My hunch is that this will never be built. Hillwood Urban just isn't the right developer for Downtown Dallas. They had a little momentum a few years ago, but they let that fade away. This design is not a stand out by any imagination. Earlier proposed towers had a lot more appeal than this blah inducing building.

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Postby Tnexster » 15 Dec 2021 09:09

rono3849 wrote:
Tnexster wrote:The worst part about this tower would be that it will block the view of both Fountain Place towers from he north side. And block it with something much less attractive. Hillwood is painful at times.


My hunch is that this will never be built. Hillwood Urban just isn't the right developer for Downtown Dallas. They had a little momentum a few years ago, but they let that fade away. This design is not a stand out by any imagination. Earlier proposed towers had a lot more appeal than this blah inducing building.


My favorite was the tall slim glass tower that looked like a piece of sculpted glass, would have fit in nicely with the two next door. This is just a wall.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 Dec 2021 17:38

Yeah they couldn't get anyone to commit to any of their urban high-rise proposals. Victory Park they built on spec and tenants committed after they were building it. The Turtle Creek site they aren't really the developer. Four Seasons wanted the site and brought in their hotel developer partner they use on other Four Seasons properties and Hillwood had the land so they are "partners". This site and the rest of Victory parking lots is what we are currently looking to sit for awhile longer unless they decide to offload them.
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Postby rono3849 » 15 May 2022 20:17

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Just drove by the Hillwood Urban site today and the renderings of their proposed tower and the company's name and contact info have all been removed. The solid blue tarpaulin sections are still standing. Have no idea what this may indicate. Perhaps Hilwood Urban has abandoned the development altogether and have sold the property to another developer. As usual, they've said nothing, but one has to think the 38-story tower is not happening. After all, Harwood still has their tarpaulin fence standing for their yet-to-be-announced Harwood #12 building on Harry Hines/Field Street.
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Postby BigD5349 » 15 May 2022 20:48

I hope it means that god-awful design is dead. I'd rather wait for a good design to come along.

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Postby eburress » 15 May 2022 22:00

I agree. It's better to wait until there's a project that isn't such a major waste of such a good spot.


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Postby rono3849 » 29 Jun 2022 23:20

Nearly July1st and not a peep out of Hillwood Urban about this site. I think it's proverbial "deader than a doornail".

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jun 2022 23:22

And the Hillwood banners have been down for months...DCAD shows it is still under the same Hillwood ownership though so they haven't quietly offloaded it yet according to public record. Knowing Hillwood they will sit on it until the next boom cycle. They built the Victory Park office project on spec and that's their inner-city contribution for a while beyond whatever you consider their involvement is in the Four Seasons hotel project.
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Postby Tnexster » 30 Jun 2022 09:21

They should let somebody else take this property.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 Jun 2022 12:08

Another local developer that buys land in downtown and does nothing ..

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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Another local developer that buys land in downtown and does nothing ..


That reminds me - what ever became of Turkish Mike?

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Postby rickbansal » 30 Jun 2022 12:53

Hillwood is a joke. They should stick to building warehouses.

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Postby rono3849 » 30 Jun 2022 13:27

rickbansal wrote:Hillwood is a joke. They should stick to building warehouses.


If Perot Jr. wanted to leave his imprint on Dallas' skyline, you'd think he'd have hired some more savvy people in the urban real estate market. The constant mixed signals by his company make them look inept at best. They look a bunch of amateurs in the business.
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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 30 Jun 2022 18:08

Tucy wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Another local developer that buys land in downtown and does nothing ..


That reminds me - what ever became of Turkish Mike?

City Hall got tired of his empty promises and turned a cold shoulder to his proposals. Plus all his investors got smart and required an additional signature on his expenditures.
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Postby Cbdallas » 01 Jul 2022 08:28

I still say a huge drive thru Whataburger would do great here.

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Postby undefinedprocess » 03 Jul 2022 15:22

Cbdallas wrote:I still say a huge drive thru Whataburger would do great here.

I'll take a non-drive-thru Whataburger with huge outdoor patio space... And rooftop space, too. :p

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Postby rono3849 » 31 Dec 2022 18:12

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Drove by the infamous Hillwood Urban site today and the renderings for the proposed tower have returned to the fence surrounding the spot. I have no idea what that might mean.
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Means nothing...unfortunately.

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Postby rono3849 » 17 Jun 2023 15:38

Just read an interview with Ross Perot Jr. about the current state of office development in both Dallas & the US. With so many companies not requiring workers to return to a central office set up, the vacancy rates across the country are crippling the commercial real estate business. Perot sees a coming deep recession in the industry and a period of little to no development. Massive vacancy rates in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, & San Francisco were mentioned as a barometer of the industry's poor health. He blames the post-COVID stay at home workers situation, high vacancy rates, and tight lending practices by banks as the primary reason for the malaise. He sees no turnaround anytime soon. With the exception of the Goldman Sachs development in Dallas, he's put all of his company's projects on an indefinite hold. Not a big surprise on that decision.

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Postby rickbansal » 17 Jun 2023 16:01

Hillwood has been hold for decades

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Postby tamtagon » 17 Jun 2023 20:17

Developers want to build, so build residential. People want a nice city to live in, so build it.

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Postby Addison » 18 Jun 2023 01:12

tamtagon wrote:Developers want to build, so build residential. People want a nice city to live in, so build it.


Not many buyers in Dallas for $1 million condos...

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Postby mhainli » 18 Jun 2023 19:18

rickbansal wrote:Hillwood has been hold for decades

Yes, Perot was conservative when conservative wasn’t cool. :D

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Postby R1070 » 19 Jun 2023 18:13

Dallas developers are going to have to embrace mixed use more to be able to develop in the core. Austin developments have done well in this regard.

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R1070 wrote:Dallas developers are going to have to embrace mixed use more to be able to develop in the core. Austin developments have done well in this regard.


Is Hillwood capable of embracing mixed use?

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Postby mhainli » 21 Jun 2023 18:01

Tnexster wrote:
R1070 wrote:Dallas developers are going to have to embrace mixed use more to be able to develop in the core. Austin developments have done well in this regard.


Is Hillwood capable of embracing mixed use?

No.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 21 Jun 2023 21:53

THis is the hilarious part the big office project developers are frightened because they are finally being threatened for what they like to do is build silver and glass monoliths of empty buildings decade after decade leaving someone else to deal with the garbage they built decades before. The 80's is dead and should remain that way. Maybe this time they will get a course correction and embrace something new besides leaving their past littered with empty towers no longer useful. Like toys these single use office projects are played with and worshiped on magazine covers when they are built as temples of the mighty business corporate empire but what happens when corporations can also make money with distributed workforce. We are left with outdated and places that barely have function and do nothing to contribute to their communities so we throw millions and billions to make them places real people can live, work, play, and hopefully thrive.
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Postby citygeek » 22 Jun 2023 07:40

Amen and thank YOU cowboyeagle! Preach. Even down here in horse shit Florida we are getting some beautiful mixed use and residential towers. Everytime I see a glass box from Miami to Orlando to Tampa Bay all it screams is Dallas 1980-202?
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