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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby DFW » 27 May 2020 18:52

Hmm....not sure why the FAA links indicate the corner of Field St. as being the SW corner and the second link is showing the NE corner?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby mhainli » 27 May 2020 19:10

THRILLHO wrote:A supertall would have been nice, but I'm happy for anything taller than Museum Tower getting built.
I just hope it's visually interesting. This and the Field st district will serve as the visual bookends of that side of downtown for anyone at Klyde Warren.


This height isn’t bad if it’s architecturally significant and adds much needed interaction at the street level. But I have no faith in Hillwood to deliver these attributes. The original round tower would have been much better.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 May 2020 22:52

It will be mixed use. 35 stories for parkin' , 19 office. Ground level retail.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby exelone31 » 28 May 2020 08:39

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:It will be mixed use. 35 stories for parkin' , 19 office. Ground level retail.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 May 2020 09:35

^With the way Dallas builds you are being generous it will be a CVS Pharmacy with a drive thru McDonalds/Starbucks.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tucy » 28 May 2020 12:02

exelone31 wrote:So is that around 55 stories then?


More likely closer to 45 stories, assuming it is for offices.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby rono3849 » 28 May 2020 12:58

So if the FAA report is a recent document dated 5.7.2020, does this mean an announcement by Hillwood will be forthcoming soon?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tucy » 28 May 2020 13:16

rono3849 wrote:So if the FAA report is a recent document dated 5.7.2020, does this mean an announcement by Hillwood will be forthcoming soon?


No. First, it's a "Proposed Case" meaning the FAA has not yet made a determination.

Second, and more important, even once (and if) the FAA makes a determination, that tells us little about when or if an announcement is imminent. Sometimes developers just file these things to get an idea of what might be allowed. Sometimes they file them when they are in more serious planning stages, but they still don't get to the announcement stage.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 May 2020 13:27

^ but haven't they already filed these proposed cases before? Why again if ur not serious

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tucy » 28 May 2020 13:42

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:^ but haven't they already filed these proposed cases before? Why again if ur not serious


Not that I'm aware of. I don't find anything up-thread. Do you have reason to think they have?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 May 2020 17:30

Tucy wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:^ but haven't they already filed these proposed cases before? Why again if ur not serious


Not that I'm aware of. I don't find anything up-thread. Do you have reason to think they have?

Hmmm.. I thought they did. But I may be mistaken

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby DFW » 28 May 2020 21:09

Sounds kinda fishy. The date filed 5-7-20 is the same as the other one 2200 Pacific Tower. Why would both be filed on the same date?

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Postby R1070 » 28 May 2020 22:34

Sounds like a case for Scooby and the gang!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 May 2020 10:34

Well when did the office close and then reopen? A lot of government offices have been closed or had reduced staff due to COVID. The same date could have more to do with the office reopening on that date or starting to get caught up on backed up submissions. Complete guess on my part I just know some local offices have been closed in some form.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby rono3849 » 18 Jun 2020 20:41

It is a speculation pitch, but they could certainly build a much higher version of the tower in the rendering according to the information. The building in the rendering looks to be 30 stories in height. This is the third rendering of a different building in the same location.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby eburress » 18 Jun 2020 20:47

It's a very nice looking tower but obviously you'd want to see something taller in that spot.


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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby DalnHou » 19 Jun 2020 09:11

So once again Dallas is satisfied with mediocrity. This is one of the most prominent sites in a major US city that remains to be developed. This is basically the gateway to Downtown Dallas. It is in the midst of Thom Mayne, Norman Foster, IM Pei, Henry Cobb, Cesar Pelli, Rem Koolhaas, Edward Larrabee Barnes and Philip Johnson. This proposal could be in any suburban campus office park. Where's the Jean Nouvel or Bjarke Ingels.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jun 2020 09:14

^Don't worry its not getting built. Hillwood Urban has had no luck catching the eye of any tenants with any of their many proposals for this site.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby CTroyMathis » 19 Jun 2020 09:41

They didn't even spell Woodall Rodgers right on that page link.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tnexster » 19 Jun 2020 13:48

I liked their second version the best, the taller sculpted glass tower. Seemed to fit better with it's neighbors.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jun 2020 15:23

Hillwood likes boring architecture

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Postby quixomniac » 19 Jun 2020 15:43

Not to mention that whatever they build is highly visible from arguably the most visited pedestrian spot in Dallas. Their old tower made a statement. This one needs some work.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby mrmandalay » 19 Jun 2020 16:27

There's gotta be a way to submerge/conceal more of Woodall Rogers which any construction on this site could help address. The old BoA motorcourt lot and the El Fenix lot could easily have a seamless connection if developed properly

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby dd_dweller » 19 Jun 2020 19:43

In order to get height for this tower, it has to be a multi use tower. They should add a hotel or apartment component to this.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jun 2020 21:04

dd_dweller wrote:In order to get height for this tower, it has to be a multi use tower. They should add a hotel or apartment component to this.


Hillwood also likes boring concepts.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby DFW » 19 Jun 2020 23:13

Going now on 7 years and still nothing to show, This is what Perot envisioned back in 2013 after the property purchase.
“We are excited about this property in what we see as one of the last iconic sites in Dallas,” Perot said in a prepared statement. “We see tremendous potential in this site and envision it as a gateway to downtown and the world class neighborhoods at its doorstep.
“A future building has the potential to impact the Dallas skyline for generations to come.”
Perot’s Hillwood company said the zoning on the land allows construction of a more than 1.5 million-square-foot skyscraper with no height restrictions.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Jun 2020 12:57

Developers promise a lot and never deliver. They are much like any political party politician. Promise world peace delivers free Popsicle for your trouble.
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby mhainli » 21 Jun 2020 23:55

Each iteration keeps getting smaller. Maybe their next proposal will be a 3 story parking garage.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Kelley USA » 22 Jun 2020 11:54

This rendering means nothing! If you read the website they're basically trying to sell someone on the dream of building their own tower and creating their own footprint. This design is just to show potential prospects what could be built. It's the same reason residential real estate agents and homebuilders stage houses for show. It helps to visualize to buyers what things "could" look like.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby rono3849 » 22 Jun 2020 12:11

My sense, Hillwood will eventually sell the site unless Perot decides to put the deal together himself and make a statement. A multi-use building is the only real option these days. No single company will fill an office tower with staffing being at the levels in today's business world. Hotel, apartments/condos, and office would be the winning combination.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Cbdallas » 22 Jun 2020 14:04

This needs to be Dallas version of Chicago's Hancock tower mixed use and at least as tall.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Jun 2020 10:19

mhainli wrote:Each iteration keeps getting smaller. Maybe their next proposal will be a 3 story parking garage.


You mean a Klyde Warren parking garage like they always wanted...
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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby I45Tex » 13 Aug 2020 22:10

They have FAA permission for 626', which is not the rendering above, because that one was head and shoulders lower than AMLI across the street, and AMLI is 562' --

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 9937&row=9

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby ajderry2017 » 16 Aug 2020 20:33

I45Tex wrote:They have FAA permission for 626', which is not the rendering above, because that one was head and shoulders lower than AMLI across the street, and AMLI is 562' --

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 9937&row=9


Thanks for this! Could you please educate me on the height requirements? If they were to build something would the max be 626 ft or 1050 ft? And how many stories would each be? I guess Im confused between site elevation and structure height.

Then follow up question do they have until January 20th 2022 to build something?

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby MC_ScattCat » 17 Aug 2020 12:06

The 1050 is above sea level. The 1050 takes into account the location's height above sea level. Very very basic reason is airplanes use sea level as a fixed point for heights. My guess is this permit is speculative.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 17 Aug 2020 13:52

Hillwood has been sitting there for a while now.. my Guess is that if he had trouble getting a tenant in the previous climate; it will be even more difficult now. I wouldn't think much of this.

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Re: Downtown Dallas: Hillwood Urban's ~50 storey tower on former BoA motorcourt

Postby rono3849 » 17 Aug 2020 18:30

Ross Perot Jr.'s Hillwood Urban hasn't shown much expertise in developing a project of this size & magnitude. I would expect that eventually, he'll sell the land & move on. Frankly, he ought to approach BofA or Chase to reopen the drive-thru teller lanes.


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