The biggest disappointment from the announced development to what is actually coming out of the ground. I had such high hopes as to the impact on Dallas' skyline, but alas, this is nothing more than a office park in Plano. Pathetic.mhainli wrote:Is it just me or does the Goldman Sachs rendering look like an oversized 70s office building??
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If I had a dollar for every sentence of shade in this thread like that, I could probably open a KWP sidewalk cafe in July and do brisk business.
Nevertheless the point is to anchor ancillary uses and we can only guess how soon those will materialize and how well they will perform urbanistically.
If they perform well financially then a third wave of infill will likely occur that will be very interested to perform well urbanistically even if the first two phases took no risks and sandbagged the entire project with some urbanistically underwhelming city blocks.
Bottom line -- an office park in Plano doesn't re-bump the positive infill pressure by directly reducing our developers' supply of remaining viable land to build on in the central business district, and this certainly does. Quantified it may not be worth the subsidy for the number of job transfers, but it still certainly does.
Nevertheless the point is to anchor ancillary uses and we can only guess how soon those will materialize and how well they will perform urbanistically.
If they perform well financially then a third wave of infill will likely occur that will be very interested to perform well urbanistically even if the first two phases took no risks and sandbagged the entire project with some urbanistically underwhelming city blocks.
Bottom line -- an office park in Plano doesn't re-bump the positive infill pressure by directly reducing our developers' supply of remaining viable land to build on in the central business district, and this certainly does. Quantified it may not be worth the subsidy for the number of job transfers, but it still certainly does.
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Your points are quite correct, but let’s not overlook the hype (80-STORY GATEWAY TO DOWNTOWN!!!) vs the apparent deliverable.I45Tex wrote:If I had a dollar for every sentence of shade in this thread like that, I could probably open a KWP sidewalk cafe in July and do brisk business.
Nevertheless the point is to anchor ancillary uses and we can only guess how soon those will materialize and how well they will perform urbanistically.
If they perform well financially then a third wave of infill will likely occur that will be very interested to perform well urbanistically even if the first two phases took no risks and sandbagged the entire project with some urbanistically underwhelming city blocks.
Bottom line -- an office park in Plano doesn't re-bump the positive infill pressure by directly reducing our developers' supply of remaining viable land to build on in the central business district, and this certainly does. Quantified it may not be worth the subsidy for the number of job transfers, but it still certainly does.
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Indeed.rono3849 wrote:The biggest disappointment from the announced development to what is actually coming out of the ground. I had such high hopes as to the impact on Dallas' skyline, but alas, this is nothing more than a office park in Plano. Pathetic.mhainli wrote:Is it just me or does the Goldman Sachs rendering look like an oversized 70s office building??
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I'll be in line for the helados/paletas and gyros/margherita pizzas/pupusas you are going to serve. Thanks for the mix!I45Tex wrote:If I had a dollar for every sentence of shade in this thread like that, I could probably open a KWP sidewalk cafe in July and do brisk business.
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If the Texas Rangers win the World Series, this building will be reduced to a CVS. So, root for the Rangers anyway.
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I jinxed it the last timeCTroyMathis wrote:If the Texas Rangers win the World Series, this building will be reduced to a CVS. So, root for the Rangers anyway.
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My hope is that GS causes other lots around there to finally be built on. As Uptown fills up…hopefully development will push back to downtown.
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Pics from 10.7.23 just before the groundbreaking
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Will the new street connections and greenspace be part of phase 1 that kicks off this month?
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If Victory and Uptown and LoMac and West Village have peaked, and substantially filled up at the current practical land value price level that it makes sense to tear down and replace,R1070 wrote:My hope is that GS causes other lots around there to finally be built on. As Uptown fills up…hopefully development will push back to downtown.
and Knox-Henderson, Oak Lawn, Design District, Trinity Groves, and Bryan Place-Deep Ellum-East Quarter-Farmers Market are all still filling up,
then it seems to me at least that the following upswing will inevitably be Cedars/Riverfront/West End and DTD itself.
But I guess it could still someday upswing the other way instead -- out along Stemmons and Lemmon, bringing vibrant mixed uses' density thru Southwestern Medical District, Brookhollow, Regal Row and past Love Field on the east as well? That would be a nifty urban core (though less historic and resonant, and less connected to the southern parts of town).
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The UT Southwestern Medical District is currently on a major upswing as it continues to grow unabated. Stemmons may see some activity as Southwestern expands. Brookhollow & Regal Row still have a way to go.
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This is underway
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Definitely moving dirt and have at least one new temporary structure in place...
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Ok thanks please make sure the sisterhood of the traveling porta potties from the Galatyn site thread do not start wandering around ... those are some real looky-loos
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'This is no bet': Goldman Sachs breaks ground on $500M campus in Dallas
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... allas.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... allas.html
Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Hunt Realty Investments and Hillwood Urban broke ground on the financial giant's $500 million campus in Dallas on Tuesday, marking what Mayor Eric Johnson called a "new beginning" for the city.
The 800,000-square-foot building, being constructed on three acres on the southeast corner of the broader North End Development, will be composed of two wings, with the tallest being 14 floors. The building will serve as regional base for New York-based Goldman Sachs, housing 5,000 employees when it opens in 2027.
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That doesn't look like it would hold 5000 people.
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Additional Renderings: https://www.goldmansachs.com/media-rela ... allas.html
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It's a TARDIS.Tnexster wrote:That doesn't look like it would hold 5000 people.
But, actually, that many could fit. Not that the they would really need to all at the same time all of the time.
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They were dead to me when they didn't go with a matching glass escalator facade treatment
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Perot Museum II or it didn't happen
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In that top pic, if you keep going north on Field street, you'll drive directly into the window of that dentist office at street level of Cirque.dallaz wrote:Additional Renderings: https://www.goldmansachs.com/media-rela ... allas.html
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I guess if you're going to pretend like you'll put trees on the roof you might as well go all out and promise a forest up theredallaz wrote:Additional Renderings: https://www.goldmansachs.com/media-rela ... allas.html
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I know things are more expensive these days, but are you telling me this building cost $500 million?? I mean the 23 Springs building going up is 26 stories with underground parking, and cost for that is $170 million.
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Haha, they are deploying the same strategy on renderings that Harwood typically does... make it look like there's a veritable forest on the roof of the building. If there is any greenery, we won't see any of it from the street level.
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Excavation has begun on the southern half or so of the lot.
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A lot of heavy machinery on site.
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CTroyMathis wrote:If the Texas Rangers win the World Series, this building will be reduced to a CVS. So, root for the Rangers anyway.
https://realtynewsreport.com/exxon-skys ... onversion/IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:I guess if you're going to pretend like you'll put trees on the roof you might as well go all out and promise a forest up theredallaz wrote:Additional Renderings: https://www.goldmansachs.com/media-rela ... allas.html
Game 7, fourth inning, Rangers 8 Astros 2… Goldman Sachs has just announced that they are dismantling the historic 800 Bell Street tower in Houston and reassembling it in Dallas as a full-floor CVS topped with 12 floors of office and a 400-foot-tall rooftop indoor terrarium containing a grove of giant sequoias.
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Lol. (And, Go Rangers.)
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Bad news for you, the terrarium has been scaled back to a topiary scale model of Stonehenge, leaving 12 floors of office atop a CVS
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At this point they’ll just subtract another floor for every Garcia RBI
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Oh, an underground mall!
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Anybody got any blood pressure meds? I’ve been waiting so long like many of you have. From Juan Gone owning the Yankees, yet the Yankees owning the rangers simultaneously, to devastation in 2011, to now. All I ask is please. Please pull through
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How much water got into the construction hole? I noticed some equipment partially submerged after a rain last week.
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Most construction sites are planned to endure a heavy onslaught of rain during the building phase. If they've gone fairly deep, then they hit bedrock. It's just part of the process.Tnexster wrote:How much water got into the construction hole? I noticed some equipment partially submerged after a rain last week.
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11.21.2023
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Great shots, thanks!
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Not much has changed since the pictures posted in April.
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These days…“Where are my 80-story high rises?” = “Where is my flying car?”
Uncle Mark is not pleased.
The 4th largest metropolitan area in the country can’t conspire to create a significant downtown “gateway?”
Also, Uncle Mark is on his 4th Chardonnay.
Uncle Mark is not pleased.
The 4th largest metropolitan area in the country can’t conspire to create a significant downtown “gateway?”
Also, Uncle Mark is on his 4th Chardonnay.
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Just noticed that the NorthEnd’s website and the project on Hunt Realty’s website is taken down. Maybe new renderings coming? I’m trying not to think the worst.
https://northend.com/
https://huntrealty.com/portfolios/northend/
Also…..
How deep is the hole they are digging near downtown Dallas?
Huge excavation next to Victory Park is for new Goldman Sachs offices.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/
https://northend.com/
https://huntrealty.com/portfolios/northend/
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How deep is the hole they are digging near downtown Dallas?
Huge excavation next to Victory Park is for new Goldman Sachs offices.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... wn-dallas/
“I don’t know if there is a record for the biggest hole in Uptown, but this one is 4.5 acres and 75 feet deep,” said Colin Fitzgibbons, president of property owner Hunt Realty Investments. “It’s going to take two full years to go all the way down and build back up to grade.
“We are going to be digging that hole for much of next year.”
The new buildings are scheduled to open in 2027.
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FYI the paywalled article also reports that the 1980s Hole On Cole in uptown was 90 feet deep.
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Man, I really didn't read that first sentence correctly in the article the first time. Haha, I need a do-over.
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HahahaCTroyMathis wrote:Man, I really didn't read that first sentence correctly in the article the first time. Haha, I need a do-over.
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Park At Hunt Realty’s NorthEnd development gets start date
A 1.5-acre park will cross-sect the massive project expected to hold millions of square feet of office, residential and hotel space.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tart-date/
A 1.5-acre park will cross-sect the massive project expected to hold millions of square feet of office, residential and hotel space.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tart-date/
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I figured there would eventually be a temporary parking lot. So when the parking garage underneath the private green space is done and covered - the private green space that the public can access and cross through will go in on top, and, the project's internal sidewalks as well. Possibly the internal drive for the greater project as well.
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The Goldman-Sachs company is an international revenue generator and a lot of companies will want to have offices adjacent to their location, along with residential and hotels doing the same.
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