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R1070 wrote:I definitely think this will have a positive impact on the skyline in that section of Harwood. I'd love to see the Lexi go up next to it once it's done.

I feel like The Lexi is vaporware at this point. Same with One Harwood…

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R1070 wrote:I definitely think this will have a positive impact on the skyline in that section of Harwood. I'd love to see the Lexi go up next to it once it's done.

I feel like The Lexi is vaporware at this point. Same with One Harwood…

Ummmm it looks like I found One Harwood possibly…? Not really sure. I Wasn’t trying to. I just happened to find nighttime renderings of Harwood No. 14. It looks nice as hell…if that’s the actual lighting scheme. Makes me like it a lot better lol. (Not sure if they’ve been posted before)

Cool, thanks for your post. Haven’t seen this before and don’t personally like its tollway glass box design or find its minor angles worthwhile, but I count 20 floors of office over about a 6 floor podium — 7 if the lobby loggia is double height.

dallaz wrote:

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R1070 wrote:I definitely think this will have a positive impact on the skyline in that section of Harwood. I'd love to see the Lexi go up next to it once it's done.

I feel like The Lexi is vaporware at this point. Same with One Harwood…

Ummmm it looks like I found One Harwood possibly…? Not really sure. I Wasn’t trying to. I just happened to find nighttime renderings of Harwood No. 14. It looks nice as hell…if that’s the actual lighting scheme. Makes me like it a lot better lol. (Not sure if they’ve been posted before)

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So it's going to look cool at night, but look like crap all day?

dallaz wrote:

undefinedprocess wrote:

R1070 wrote:I definitely think this will have a positive impact on the skyline in that section of Harwood. I'd love to see the Lexi go up next to it once it's done.

I feel like The Lexi is vaporware at this point. Same with One Harwood…

Ummmm it looks like I found One Harwood possibly…? Not really sure. I Wasn’t trying to. I just happened to find nighttime renderings of Harwood No. 14. It looks nice as hell…if that’s the actual lighting scheme. Makes me like it a lot better lol. (Not sure if they’ve been posted before)

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I don't think that's the same tower, but could be wrong. They've specifically formatted all FAA OEAAA filings for all previous Harwood boxes as "Harwood No. X." The one I'm referring to, One Harwood, seems to be a crown piece for them. If Harwood No. 1 (in the image you posted) is their pinnacle of the district and is One Harwood... Big yikes. Plus, they were pushing for like 500-ish, maybe 550 feet on the FAA submission. That thing doesn't look like it's 500+ feet. Looks really chunky, and very ugly.

That image is of whatever office building is planned at Wolf and Harry Hines in front of Bleu Ciel.

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Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

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Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

Harwood really loves these little "fins" or whatever you wanna call them as of late. Swexan-y.

Today's walkabout:





https://twitter.com/CTroyMathis/status/ ... 1749607424

Great pics, Troy! This one is moving along nicely.

What floor are they building now?

RodB wrote:What floor are they building now?

Based on a rough/guestimate count (since not every floorplate is exposed and so much of the facade/construction material obscures views in the above photos), I'd say 18 or 19? About 6-8 more to go.

Lowe's did it better.

Maybe they will look better when complete but those things somehow look like a cheap add-on to me.

Oh, you should see the Swexan Hotel its as bad now that some fins have been added there too. I am curious about the wind dynamics of the fins, though, if they add a lot of drag to these buildings or help in some way. The architecture firm, I do not doubt, did some wind studies but I am curious what the results are. Yes, we are not talking super tall high rises, but I am just curious at this level what the impact is.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Oh, you should see the Swexan Hotel its as bad now that some fins have been added there too. I am curious about the wind dynamics of the fins, though, if they add a lot of drag to these buildings or help in some way. The architecture firm, I do not doubt, did some wind studies but I am curious what the results are. Yes, we are not talking super tall high rises, but I am just curious at this level what the impact is.

Oh I have seen it! And I also can't help but wonder how high winds may impact these fins, or wind and hail. Maybe the are much stronger than they appear.

Also, do they improve direct sun at all by being vertical? Or have no real positive effect except visual interest.

This will look like a giant barcode if you ask me.

The fins are seemingly just decorative from what I can tell, and, probably provides more visual interest to the building from the long view (further away). Not really a substantial and consistent vertical louver system for providing good shade benefits, etc.

I guess this is sort of an update. Found this recent drone video on YouTube. It looks like Harwood No. 14 is close to the height of Harwood No. 10. Side note: I really wish one of the projects would start along Field St.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKuE1eDoz ... e=youtu.be (@1:30)

Screenshot of Harwood No. 14 circled (@2:05)

Seeing this photo I really wish Le Cirque would fix that broken down LED lighting on their building or just turn it off.

Cbdallas wrote:Seeing this photo I really wish Le Cirque would fix that broken down LED lighting on their building or just turn it off.

If there's anyone that needs to fix their lighting, it's Todd Interests with The National. That thing always has at least one significant stretch of lights out on each side, and it's embarrassing tbh.

They probably barely replaced the wiring for the lights. I bet they updated the fixtures to LED, turned on the power, and called it done. Rewiring all those pinstripes is a massive undertaking and cost. That's miles of wire in a market that has tripled the cost of renovating and building new.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:They probably barely replaced the wiring for the lights. I bet they updated the fixtures to LED, turned on the power, and called it done. Rewiring all those pinstripes is a massive undertaking and cost. That's miles of wire in a market that has tripled the cost of renovating and building new.

Probably so, but considering that was a $400M renovation... Whew.

Update from Harwood District Instagram

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Fugly building

Harwood gets a lot of flack here, but they've made very undesirable land worth something, and created a hybrid mixed use neighborhood. No one would touch the land in the 70's because of the high speed traffic. No one could imagine trying to cross one or more of "those" streets to get anywhere. Still can't. Harwood has not so far been able to make this a "walkable" neighborhood, but they've created several oases that help disguise the hostile terrain. I think what Barbier-Mueller has done is visionary. From Samurai armor to gardens above the streets, he's changed how local developers build/think. Mixed results perhaps, but determined, seeking solutions, and always moving forward.

I don't mind the look of it. There's way uglier stuff going up in Austin.

You can see Harwood No. 14 clearly heading south on Stemmons. It isn’t my favorite…but so far it doesn’t look horrible. I need to get down there and take some actual pics. (Also the crane for Maple Terrace is visible as well)


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Kinda see it more up close at 1:39

Got some pictures today from the levee at Trammell Crow Park and Sylvan Ave Bridge






*Bonus*

Working on the top floor now.

R1070 wrote:Working on the top floor now.

Cool! I was wondering if it was close to topping off.

The bonus picture is seriously on point. Great stuff.

Seriously Dallaz! Those are some of the best pics I have seen of Uptown and Downtown. I didn't realize how big our city has grown until I see these pics!

Very good pics!

^^^ Thanks y’all!

Our city has been growing rapidly. All we need is a cherry on top (a supertall or a new major skyscraper) and it would take our skyline to the next level. We already got a really nice amount of high-rises.

At least Harwood International construct high rises but they sure are slow while under construction.

This one has actually been very fast. I've got to see this go up from my office and while it took some time to get off the ground they've done a good and quick job. There is glass at the bottom and the ground floor lobby is coming along well. I can also see electrical units being put in on the 11th-15th floor while they still have two-three floors to go.

dallaz wrote:*Bonus*

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Photo is popping off on reddit lol. Really is a nice one. It's easily my favorite vantage point for looking at downtown.

Trying to figure out what would fill downtown's visual gaps from this angle, a tower in the lot in front of the Plaza of the Americas or a tower in the Dallas High School parking lot would probably fill the gap seen between Trammell Crow Center and KPMG.

For the space where the Merc pops its head out of, there's really not much undeveloped space that direction. You're mostly looking out over the midrises of the farmers market, but a tower in the foreground, in the lots adjacent to the aquarium would fill it in I think... or maybe a tower in the lot across the street from Harwood Park.

Between BoA and Renaissance, a tower on the lot in front of the future Modera St. Paul would do the trick.

Not that the skyline gaps matter, but I was just curious and thought I'd share
Are the cranes lurking behind old red for the Jackson st garage?

Here's a photo from the summer of 22 Deluge. Quality is crappy. But taken from a similar vantage point. Sylvan road (bridge?) to be exact. May be the best view of city from any bridge..

IcedCowboyCoffee wrote:

dallaz wrote:*Bonus*

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Photo is popping off on reddit lol. Really is a nice one. It's easily my favorite vantage point for looking at downtown.

Trying to figure out what would fill downtown's visual gaps from this angle, a tower in the lot in front of the Plaza of the Americas or a tower in the Dallas High School parking lot would probably fill the gap seen between Trammell Crow Center and KPMG.

For the space where the Merc pops its head out of, there's really not much undeveloped space that direction. You're mostly looking out over the midrises of the farmers market, but a tower in the foreground, in the lots adjacent to the aquarium would fill it in I think... or maybe a tower in the lot across the street from Harwood Park.

Between BoA and Renaissance, a tower on the lot in front of the future Modera St. Paul would do the trick.

Not that the skyline gaps matter, but I was just curious and thought I'd share

Yeah, I’m surprised by it honestly. I was thinking the same thing. A tower would go great between Trammell Crow and KPMG. A supertall preferably…a man can dream. With all the empty lots downtown there’s a lot of potential for infill. Like I’ve said before, I would love a skyscraper but these small highrises helped densify a larger area. Something we really didn’t have before. I’m hoping the projects in Downtown like the Isosceles and the Dallas Gateway get underway (especially with economic uncertainty). It’ll give a little bit more high in the short term. The new high-rises in Uptown should slightly peak over the Rosewood Court area (close to Harwood No. 14).

Yes, those cranes are the Jackson St Garage.

Our city has indeed grown so much. That night time shot is a little blurry but beautiful nonetheless. We have such a beautiful skyline. Rumor has it that Goldman Sachs is about to build a super tall and campus for their new HQ on Field St. This project will be a game-changer for our city! Dallas is usually the fastest or 2nd fastest growing city in the US. In 10 years, we may over take Chicago. Maybe?

Urbancowboy wrote:Our city has indeed grown so much. That night time shot is a little blurry but beautiful nonetheless. We have such a beautiful skyline. Rumor has it that Goldman Sachs is about to build a super tall and campus for their new HQ on Field St. This project will be a game-changer for our city! Dallas is usually the fastest or 2nd fastest growing city in the US. In 10 years, we may over take Chicago. Maybe?

Interesting, where’d you hear that? Based on Steve Brown’s recent article abt the midrises, I kinda feel differently abt the project. But if there’s any indication of the opposite…that would be cool. I’d lose it if we are getting a supertall.

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Here's a photo from the summer of 22 Deluge. Quality is crappy. But taken from a similar vantage point. Sylvan road (bridge?) to be exact. May be the best view of city from any bridge..

Cool! Now, I want to go take a night time pic…but prolly after October 10th. They’re dimming the light on the buildings for birds flying south.

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Urbancowboy wrote:Our city has indeed grown so much... Dallas is usually the fastest or 2nd fastest growing city in the US. In 10 years, we may over take Chicago. Maybe?

2010-present DFW MSA has grown by almost 1,500,000 residents (to 7.8 million). Chicago MSA is still 9.5 million, so if we eventually overtake them it would be closer to 2040 than to 2030.

The Census could eventually reconsider basing its overall populations for our metropolitan statistical areas upon the percentages of workers who cross-commute (above the threshold = an outlying county is inside the MSA, below = outside) if "remote commuting" scrambles urban areas' county boundary lines, and then we will have a series of statistics that may not be able to be compared backwards in time with the existing population growth series.

A final scenario is that the definitions won't change but the budding imperial capital will percentagewise "absorb" Baltimore MSA and vault past DFW into third position at some point in the future.

Really, I no longer think we'll ever pass Chicago.
I think DFW's growth will cool down and Chicago's will warm up. These won't be huge swings--DFW will continue seeing positive growth and Chicago's growth will be relatively modest--but the old timeline of passing Chicago around 2030 will become 2040, and when we reach 2030 the new timeline will probably be 2045/2050... And by the time we reach 2040? Consider me a pessimist, but I think most people will be seeking cooler and wetter climates by that point.

I'd rather have hot summers than be snowed in and frozen. I like Chicago, but only in the mid to late summertime. I hope we overtake them soonish even if we don't get to have a cool skyline like theirs.

I feel the same, but as the climate warms and Dallas gets hotter so too will Chicago. Their winters will become more mild while our summers become more unbearable. By 2100, Chicago's summers are expected to be today's Dallas summers.
I think people will continue moving here for a while, but 20 years of Texas getting drier and hotter will have young folks of 2040 looking elsewhere. They'll understand it will only get more hot and more dry. Hard to feel comfortable planting your flag here when you're not sure how much water your newborn kids will have in 2050, 2060, etc.

People will continue moving here and living here, but I think the great Texas migration is only going to keep cooling off, and that migration is what we've counted on to pass Chicago's numbers.

Could Chicago's winters not get worse as climate change worsens?

You bring up a good point, I'm really not sure what sort of impact climate change will have on the future of Texas.