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Posted: **14 Feb 2020 11:07**

That's a lot of square footage

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 11:20**

lakewoodhobo wrote:High-rise north of downtown Dallas will be imploded
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -imploded/

The former Affiliated Computer Services building at North Central Expressway and Haskell Avenue will be imploded next month by owner De La Vega Development.

The 11-story building is on the site of De La Vega’s planned mixed-use development along the east side of North Central.

The Feb. 16 implosion is set for daybreak.

Just a reminder, this Sunday, 2/16 at daybreak is the time for the implosion of the remaining building.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 11:22**

Well, it's a very ambitious project in general and I imagine we will get lucky if we get two of those towers in this cycle. The West Village was also a very long term project and took decades to get to the point it is now. We had lots of empty land and concept renderings for years leading up to now.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 12:08**

Crazy to think most of that was supposed to be a Sam’s Club and fast food.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 12:12**

Well to give Trammell Crow credit a Sam's Club and some pad sites for fast food would have been a very doable project. This is reaching for the stars and its vision is lot of what would like to see but since this developer doesn't appear to have developed something on this scale I wonder if he can pull it off. Best of luck though.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 15:27**

Would love to see this type of dense tall development not only jump the east side of 75 into east Dallas but also next to the DART subway station.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 16:15**

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Posted: **14 Feb 2020 17:46**

The signature tower on the new website -- good find Kelley! -- is 31 floors by my count. That's still a complicated project to finance, but not as complicated as the giant Smart District buildings, and even if it's across 75, this does have closer valuation comps by being on the north side of DTD.

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 18:52**

Redblock wrote:
lakewoodhobo wrote:High-rise north of downtown Dallas will be imploded
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -imploded/

The former Affiliated Computer Services building at North Central Expressway and Haskell Avenue will be imploded next month by owner De La Vega Development.

The 11-story building is on the site of De La Vega’s planned mixed-use development along the east side of North Central.

The Feb. 16 implosion is set for daybreak.

Just a reminder, this Sunday, 2/16 at daybreak is the time for the implosion of the remaining building.

I'll try to get some video!

Posted: **14 Feb 2020 19:00**

R1070 wrote:Crazy to think most of that was supposed to be a Sam’s Club and fast food.

So true. I was at the first community meeting with the developers after the Sam's Club was revealed, and was spewed BS when I asked them questions about their crap development and illegal zoning process. It feels good to see this, even if it's just a possibility, after having to endure those TC douchebags for an hour. I will be even happier if this breaks ground, knowing that the passionate neighbors and citizens at that meeting made a difference!

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 11:24**

Kelley USA wrote:It reminds me a little bit of the Midtown project... Loving the park in the middle!

Would't it be funny if this project somehow gets it done before Midtown.

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 11:39**

Another perspective

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 16:18**

I really hope one of the buildings in this development is as tall, or taller than Cityplace Tower. It'd be nice to get some tall buildings outside of the CBD.

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 18:58**

dzh wrote:I really hope one of the buildings in this development is as tall, or taller than Cityplace Tower. It'd be nice to get some tall buildings outside of the CBD.

Yeah like in Houston

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 19:58**

Warrior2015 wrote:
dzh wrote:I really hope one of the buildings in this development is as tall, or taller than Cityplace Tower. It'd be nice to get some tall buildings outside of the CBD.

Yeah like in Houston

It's funny cause Houston's skyline was the first thing I thought of after seeing this. We have conglomerates of towers in Las Colinas, along the Platinum corridor, etc. but nothing super close to downtown/uptown. Contiguous high rise development around the CBD makes Houston's skyline look massive.

Posted: **15 Feb 2020 20:12**

God I hope this gets built. De la Vega seems to be posting this on their Instagram often in the last week or so, so the project is definitely "in the works."

This is exactly what this area needs.

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 08:07**

Well, Dallas has lost a building....and gained a landmark, The Leanibg Tower of Dallas.

Most of the building went down as planned. The elevator bank said NAW!

It is leaning to the east.

Here is a public shot video from next to Cityplace.

https://youtu.be/YdXyI-B_ZHY

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 08:24**

Redblock wrote:Well, Dallas has lost a building....and gained a landmark, The Leanibg Tower of Dallas.

Most of the building went ldown as planned. The elevator bank said NAW!

It is leaning to the east.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 5326701544

WFAA has updated their story online to reflect the implosion failure.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/building-implosion-will-prompt-road-closures-sunday-in-dallas/287-ca3a7953-e7a6-4a36-8fd9-ef7bd71c959e

Their helicopter has stayed live on scene also (as of 8:25 a.m. or so).

ETA: The WFAA live feed is now a static shot and they're getting ready to do an interview.

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 12:25**

Funny how it started to fall and then stopped. Never seen that before.

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 14:50**

I’m not sure if this was posted...

$2.5 billion project in the works north of downtown builds on the Uptown boom

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... town-boom/

Plans for the first phase of The Central include a 17-story office building, a 320-unit apartment high-rise, a 430-unit apartment project by JPI, a 300-room full-service hotel and a 150-room limited-service hotel. There will also be 110,000 square feet of eateries and entertainment space.

Developer Artemio De La Vega has been working on the project for more than five years. He has a team of high-profile architects working on The Central project, including Dallas-based GFF, BOKA Powell and New York’s Perkins-Eastman.

“Food and beverage and entertainment are really critical for the mixed-use component,” De Le Vega said, as is the central park that the high-rise buildings will overlook. “We want to make this project very much nature-oriented with as much green space as we can.”

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Posted: **16 Feb 2020 15:03**

dallaz wrote:I’m not sure if this was posted...

Thanks! I had not seen that yet. Today's demolition delay will be a blip on the radar if this ends up built as planned.

This quote is encouraging:

De La Vega is also talking with DART about expanding its underground Cityplace commuter station, which could give The Central direct access to the light-rail line.

“This site is blessed with a ton of infrastructure, and it’s under-used in my opinion,” De La Vega said. “This area I think has the most potential of all.

“It’s really untapped for density and urban development.”

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 15:24**

So the towers directly along Central are probably 10 yrs away, if ever, right? Hopefully Phase 1 does well so they don't just decide to fill the remaining land with suburban style retail

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 15:43**

If he pulls this off it will make him look good cause he managed to do what Trammell Crow claimed wouldnt work at this site.

“We would like to break ground in the third quarter.”

So we have plenty of time to wait to see if this ever happens. I wonder how much of phase 1 has to have signed leases to break ground or if he planning on any of it being just spec built. Office space construction starts without a lead tenant is almost non-existent in Dallas until very recently some smaller stuff in Lower Mckinney. Hotels and Apartments though. If he has signed on a hotel flag by that time and has financing in place for a residential tower those segments could go vertical. Midtown is kinda awkward right now but they did get that AC hotel built despite the other parts delayed. Just cause he has been working on this project for 5 years though doesn't mean he is guaranteed any successful starts.

De La Vega Development has done real estate projects in Arizona, South Carolina, Georgia and Louisiana. The family also founded one of the most successful firms in El Paso and Ciudad Juarez with its Grupo De La Vega business consortium.

De La Vega admits that he’s never done a project the size of The Central development, but he believes the timing and location are right.

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 17:24**

I'm admittedly a little concerned about phase 1. It eerily reminds me of how they created Victory Park back in 2006. Development only being on one side of the street (or in this case a park) has me a little worried. Hopefully I'm wrong though. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 18:17**

mrmandalay wrote:So the towers directly along Central are probably 10 yrs away, if ever, right? Hopefully Phase 1 does well so they don't just decide to fill the remaining land with suburban style retail

Sort of what I think as well, everything in phase one looks doable and they probably wouldn't have any trouble filling all of it. After Phase I, who knows.

Posted: **16 Feb 2020 19:03**

That’s an impressive development if it all gets built. The DMN correction to $2.5B for the whole thing seems high for what’s shown. Seems more in the range of $1.5 to $2.0B. Regardless, this is much better than the TC development.

Posted: **17 Feb 2020 00:57**

Doubt this will be completed

Posted: **19 Feb 2020 18:17**

Save the Leaning Tower of Dallas (at least for a little while)
Here’s what we can learn from the internet-famous leaning tower.

https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-enterta ... tle-while/

Posted: **24 Feb 2020 14:46**

'Leaning Tower of Dallas' Accidentally Puts $2.5 Billion Project on the National Stage
Failed Demolition Creates Selfie-Taking Sensation Ahead of High-End Offices and Apartments

https://www.costar.com/article/15858140 ... onal-stage

Posted: **24 Feb 2020 15:32**

I can see it now. The developer actually builds the office tower and in the lobby is a giant abstract of the leaning tower done by a local artist or a piece of the leaning tower reinterpreted as sculpture connecting the project with its past lol. The piece entitled "From Dust to Dawn".

Posted: **24 Feb 2020 16:03**

De la Vega certainly has gotten a lot of publicity with this project. I wish them the best. An ambitious project indeed.

Posted: **25 Feb 2020 10:59**

LegoLand getting in on the action :lol:

https://www.dmagazine.com/arts-entertai ... e-tribute/

Posted: **25 Feb 2020 11:05**

Developer behind $2.5B project is eyeing a 'third billion-dollar company' for the site

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... ntral.html

If such a tenant can wait until late 2022, an entire 17-story, 350,000-square-foot office tower could be theirs.

The $2.5 billion development, which is called "The Central," will also feature two hotels, two apartment complexes, green space and 110,000 square feet of retail and restaurants in its first phase. Additionally, the developer is working to get an entrance to the nearby Cityplace DART station to connect to the development.

Office and retail space will break ground first by this fall. The developer and its leasing partner JLL are already in talks with several first-to-market retail tenants, according to De La Vega. The rest of the project team includes architects BOKA Powell and New York’s Perkins-Eastman.

Posted: **25 Feb 2020 21:12**

Stopped by today to see the leaning tower for myself. Great fun if you get the chance. Loved watching them hit it over and over again with that wrecking ball and have almost nothing move.

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 09:19**

Did anyone see the Choctaw Casino ad posted on the side of the leaning tower? The Richards Group was responsible. Genius! The story is that apparently they didn't even have permits to do this. Sort of guerrilla marketing!

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 09:42**

Also, overnight Richards Group projected an add for Winstar Casinos on the tower in a guerilla marketing campaign.

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Posted: **26 Feb 2020 10:00**

Haha, that is brilliant!

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 10:26**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Also, overnight Richards Group projected an add for Winstar Casinos on the tower in a guerilla marketing campaign. e8yqjaa5e6j41.jpg

It's almost as if you don't read the board. Ha!

I literally posted the exact same thing 30 minutes earlier. Except it was Choctaw and not Winstar (which in my opinion, is a much better casino). You did include a photo though which is awesome.

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 10:42**

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The image of the year for Dallas! Amazing. The Richards Group folks might have a Borg of a building themselves, but they sure found a way to make gallons of lemonade from this lemon!

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 13:40**

Wouldn’t it be cool if somehow the developer could incorporate this Leaning Tower of Dallas Into it’s development. Well it would draw more tourists to it and mean more business. LOL

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 18:25**

DFW wrote:Wouldn’t it be cool if somehow the developer could incorporate this Learning Tower of Dallas Into it’s development. Well it would draw more tourists to it and mean more business. LOL

That would be ideal, an intentional leaning tower incorporate into the design.
Great tourist attraction. Would it be that much more expensive?

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 21:11**

The developer also says they want to preserve the memory of this brief moment in history. They’re asking people to share artwork and pictures on Instagram with the hashtag #DiscoverTheCentral for a chance to be featured.

The pictures will go in a gallery space at The Central – the 27 acre mixed-use development that will go up at the site.

Not sure if this information is reliable but it sounds like a simple and appeasing thing to do. It's nice to see them embrace the excitement.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/lea ... g9tOqMDWns

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 21:23**

I do like the idea of having a leaning tower as part of the experience of this new development. A replica of whats there except one thats not in danger of falling over on everyone. I will actually kind of miss it.

Posted: **26 Feb 2020 23:34**

The light display on the tower tonight was:

I ♡
DALLAS

Posted: **27 Feb 2020 11:13**

This has really been a hilarious and incredible saga. Great marketing!

Posted: **28 Feb 2020 13:27**

CELEBRATE THE LEANING TOWER OF DALLAS WITH A FREE PARTY ON THE LAWN SATURDAY 1-3 PM!
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If you have been all about this #LeaningTowerofDallas, or if you haven’t yet been able to go by and sneak a peek and pic, then go by tomorrow afternoon for a free party by @discoverthecentral!!
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The Central is the development we highlighted when we shared the tower last week - in a few years, we will have a beautiful area of new retail, restaurants, apartments, and office space. And you can follow the journey via the development group on their Instagram page! (And see all the hilarious #LeaningTower photos!)
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So tomorrow, head to the lawn that sits in between the tower and N Carroll Ave (just type in CityPlace Heights), from 1-3 pm. You’ll enjoy a DJ spinning tunes, food trucks including @easyslidertx and @greenvilleavenuepizzacompany and free scoops of ice cream from @baldosicecream for the first 200 people!
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Essentially, it’ll be a day to picnic, while enjoying the Leaning Tower before it leaves us forever. They will even have picnic tables and life size jenga for you! Just bring a blanket!

https://www.facebook.com/dallasites101/ ... 412849388/

There will be a lawn party tomorrow to say one last 'goodbye' to the leaning tower of Dallas. I assume the developer had to give permission for this to happen? If that's the case, that tells me they see the value in paying homage to the leaning tower and will hopefully come up with a way to incorporate it into their future development.

Posted: **28 Feb 2020 13:40**

DPatel304 wrote:
CELEBRATE THE LEANING TOWER OF DALLAS WITH A FREE PARTY ON THE LAWN SATURDAY 1-3 PM!
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If you have been all about this #LeaningTowerofDallas, or if you haven’t yet been able to go by and sneak a peek and pic, then go by tomorrow afternoon for a free party by @discoverthecentral!!
-
The Central is the development we highlighted when we shared the tower last week - in a few years, we will have a beautiful area of new retail, restaurants, apartments, and office space. And you can follow the journey via the development group on their Instagram page! (And see all the hilarious #LeaningTower photos!)
-
So tomorrow, head to the lawn that sits in between the tower and N Carroll Ave (just type in CityPlace Heights), from 1-3 pm. You’ll enjoy a DJ spinning tunes, food trucks including @easyslidertx and @greenvilleavenuepizzacompany and free scoops of ice cream from @baldosicecream for the first 200 people!
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Essentially, it’ll be a day to picnic, while enjoying the Leaning Tower before it leaves us forever. They will even have picnic tables and life size jenga for you! Just bring a blanket!

https://www.facebook.com/dallasites101/ ... 412849388/

There will be a lawn party tomorrow to say one last 'goodbye' to the leaning tower of Dallas. I assume the developer had to give permission for this to happen? If that's the case, that tells me they see the value in paying homage to the leaning tower and will hopefully come up with a way to incorporate it into their future development.

If this lawn party doesn't end with a candle light vigil with Sarah Mclaughlin's "I will remember you" played by the DJ in the background, it'll be a total disservice... :mrgreen:

Posted: **28 Feb 2020 13:48**

Oh, can we also play "A Thousand Miles" by Vanessa Carlton as well?

Posted: **29 Feb 2020 16:43**

There was a pretty good turnout at the party today, some food trucks, a DJ, and a bunch of people taking pictures and having a good time.

Posted: **01 Mar 2020 11:37**

Finally, they've hired the right person to take the tower down! :lol:

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