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Postby Tnexster » 24 Jan 2020 07:55

High-rise overlooking Klyde Warren Park would be Uptown Dallas’ tallest office
The planned 30-story tower is being built by KDC and Miyama USA Texas.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... st-office/

A new project planned on Woodall Rodgers Freeway will be the tallest office building in Dallas’ Uptown district.

Dallas developer KDC is teaming up with investor Miyama USA Texas to build the 30-story tower overlooking Klyde Warren Park at Harwood Street.

The high-rise is the first phase of a half-block redevelopment along the north side of the park. It will be built on the site of a former motor bank.

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Postby texasstar » 24 Jan 2020 07:56

Nice surprise!

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Postby Tnexster » 24 Jan 2020 07:58

This one will fill up quick, fresh product, right on the park.

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Postby muncien » 24 Jan 2020 08:49

This one has some fun angles to it. No mention of underground parking... That's a bit of a drag for such a high dollar lot. Let's hope a good percentage of that greenery actually makes it into the building (particularly the garage wrap).
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Postby R1070 » 24 Jan 2020 09:59

Good development for that spot. Would love to see some hotel or residential in the 2nd phase.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Jan 2020 10:04

R1070 wrote:Good development for that spot. Would love to see some hotel or residential in the 2nd phase.


I'd like to see a hotel/residence combo. Give me 42 story condo building with views of KWP..

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Postby eburress » 24 Jan 2020 11:07

Hmmm pretty cool. I do also wish with such a prime spot that they'd increase the building's height, but this isn't bad. It's also unfortunate that almost half of the ground floor facing Klyde Warren is garage access. Getting in or out of the garage on Harwood would have made a lot more sense.

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Postby Cbdallas » 24 Jan 2020 11:46

Not sure how at 30 stories this would be uptowns tallest tower. I think that is not correct isn't Harwood working on a new one that is supposed to be the tallest.

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Postby dallaz » 24 Jan 2020 11:51

Cbdallas wrote:Not sure how at 30 stories this would be uptowns tallest tower. I think that is not correct isn't Harwood working on a new one that is supposed to be the tallest.

I was just about to say that....

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Postby eburress » 24 Jan 2020 12:04

Cbdallas wrote:Not sure how at 30 stories this would be uptowns tallest tower. I think that is not correct isn't Harwood working on a new one that is supposed to be the tallest.

I'm sure in the interest of promoting this tower and its height, they're conveniently considering the Harwood tower to be in either the Harwood District or Victory and not Uptown.

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Postby dallaz » 24 Jan 2020 12:10

Was an estimated start time given?

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Postby THRILLHO » 24 Jan 2020 12:12

The street interaction is absolutely abysmal for something facing Dallas's best park space, just WOW.
The overall aesthetic is fine, but this looks like it would be a colossal mistake and such a waste... is it too late to go back to the drawing board?

If this was the aesthetic they're going for, at bare minimum they could have at least copy-pasted the street level design of the suburban-urban enclaves like legacy west along the park-facing side.

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Postby clcrash19 » 24 Jan 2020 12:30

So where is exactly is this location? And is this overlooking KWP after the expansion or in it's current spot?

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Postby eburress » 24 Jan 2020 12:53

^ It's at Harwood and the Woodall Rodgers frontage road, right across from the existing portion of Klyde Warren.

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Postby CTroyMathis » 24 Jan 2020 13:01

This is where they have been drilling core samples all week at the motor bank portion, which is phase one, of the overall proposed development. I cc'd Steve Brown early in the week on Twitter about a core sample team on site.

If you're sitting at Savor, it is diagonal. Miriam's, across the street. Staring at the KWP donors wall, across the street. At WeWork, it'll be the building blocking the view.

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Postby Kelley USA » 24 Jan 2020 13:30

I'm somewhat okay with the lack of interaction with the park for Phase 1... The reality is the first floor of Phase 1 won't even be able to see the park since there's a wall that runs the entire stretch of the park (basically from Savor down). Now, I think Phase 2 should definitely have some interaction seeing as it'll be right at the corner of the KWP future extension.

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Postby rono3849 » 24 Jan 2020 14:11

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This looks like it will really complement Klyde Warren Park area. I believe the 42-story Harwood 12 building will be the tallest in the Harwood District.
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Postby Cbdallas » 24 Jan 2020 14:18

Another question will this be all office or will some be apartments when completed.

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Postby exelone31 » 24 Jan 2020 14:57

I think we are overlooking the most important aspect of this development/rendering: Does it have totally impractical and unrealistic green trees on the roof and at multiple levels throughout??? You bet your buns it does.

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Postby mrmandalay » 24 Jan 2020 15:30

Yeah all that green indicates we'll see revised renderings. However, I have no doubts that KDC will deliver solid work.

All these new developments flanking the KWP corridor are forming an impressive canyon.

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Postby Tnexster » 24 Jan 2020 15:38

KDC is usually fairly quick to come out of the ground, aren't they?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 24 Jan 2020 17:28

Cbdallas wrote:Another question will this be all office or will some be apartments when completed.

First phase office. Second phase... ????

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Postby quixomniac » 24 Jan 2020 20:00

I concur with the above posts that street interaction is limited facing the park because of the giant wall all along the length of the property.
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But Miyama mentions about adding to the skyline.
I dont think its tall enough nor distinctive enough for that.
It's basically a stack of boxes.
If it was taller, maybe they could have added an interesting crown with a spire.
Noted: its better than most stacks of boxes in Dallas, specially the dud across the park on pearl street.
I say strap some LED's on this baby and really go for the green look, both at night and day. :D
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Postby THRILLHO » 24 Jan 2020 20:53

The existing wall isn't the problem, the problem is the designers effectively putting another wall on the street's other side. There's no reason the other side can't be a vibrant space that invites you to walk down it, this isn't a back alley. The side facing Harwood is also a towering flat surface, when it should be inviting you to walk into uptown from the park.
For something like this with retail, I should see this from the park and feel drawn to check it out. But all I'm seeing from that point-of-view rendering is another canyon-maker that would feel like a slog to walk by.

I realize these are early renderings, plus it's hard to even get a good look at what I'm concerned about, but I'm just worried. These mistakes stick around for years and this would be a terrible place to make them.

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Postby tamtagon » 25 Jan 2020 08:26

So, is this the new look? This one resembles the pictures shown for Field Street District - no longer Shraman South Asian Museum...

Also, where does this fit into the "cycle"?
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Postby Dragon_Lady » 25 Jan 2020 13:10

The architecture is very uninspiring in my view. I don't get the hanging garden look. I cannot wait for this ultra-modern phase to end.

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Postby mrmandalay » 26 Jan 2020 20:59

I agree the amount of ultra modern as of late has become a bit exhausting. With advanced CAD nowadays, I think it's easier for planners/architects to lose themselves in their own creative ambition.

I think these renderings look fine, but unnecessarily complex and costly.

The AMLI tower doesn't try to convince us of its newness or quirkiness. It's sleek, stately, and timeless. It would beautifully blend into the city even if it didn't have the Fountain Place standing right next to it. It feels like it belongs in a city, not a video game.

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Postby Dragon_Lady » 26 Jan 2020 23:29

mrmandalay wrote:I agree the amount of ultra modern as of late has become a bit exhausting. With advanced CAD nowadays, I think it's easier for planners/architects to lose themselves in their own creative ambition.

I think these renderings look fine, but unnecessarily complex and costly.

The AMLI tower doesn't try to convince us of its newness or quirkiness. It's sleek, stately, and timeless. It would beautifully blend into the city even if it didn't have the Fountain Place standing right next to it. It feels like it belongs in a city, not a video game.


Well stated.

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Postby utgf » 27 Jan 2020 02:44

I really don't care for AMLI's 80's throwback architecture made that much worse by imitating Fountain Place.

I think hanging garden architecture on this one is great for Dallas if they follow through. The problem is the wall created by the parking podium, which is the shame with so many of the new buildings in Dallas that destroy the street experience.

Here is an example of a hanging garden style development being built in San Francisco that tries to integrate the podium, street and park in a more successful way.

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Postby eburress » 27 Jan 2020 08:37

^ Those are great...especially the red brick tower! I love how well they integrate into the adjacent parks and plazas!

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Postby mwaskow » 27 Jan 2020 09:15

I really dislike all of the those examples.

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Postby eburress » 27 Jan 2020 09:22

mwaskow wrote:I really dislike all of the those examples.


Is it their aesthetic you dislike?

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Postby Pinhi » 27 Jan 2020 10:05

I dislike all of those examples too. Too trendy. At some point in time in the future people will look back and say oh yeah, I remember when everyone was doing that. Kind of like avocado kitchen appliances in the 70s. But you could change those out. These buildings can't be changed structurally in these examples. This architecture will look so dated. I would prefer something a little more quietly elegant and timeless.

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Postby Kelley USA » 27 Jan 2020 10:12

^^ I have to be honest, I think those designs aren't that great. I'm not saying Dallas has any great architecture to speak of at the moment, but I definitely prefer the style of what's going up / planned here as opposed to those.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Jan 2020 10:40

Well to put it all in perspective the beauty of all world cities is the fact you can count the decades the cities have existed by their architecture. I would certainly be bored if a city was all CLassic Architecture had no sign of movement and evolution.
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Postby Tnexster » 27 Jan 2020 12:07

Before anybody gets too attached to or not with these renderings they could easily change before coming to fruition as they usually do in one way or another. This project is also in two phases so phase II could come in different from phase I. It would also be helpful to see more renderings, maybe they will publish more before long.

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Postby Cbdallas » 27 Jan 2020 15:57

I wish that this was going to be at least as tall as Museum Tower across the park. 30 stories is not very tall. Dallas just can't seem to get any traction on height.

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Postby NdoorTX » 27 Jan 2020 16:15

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well to put it all in perspective the beauty of all world cities is the fact you can count the decades the cities have existed by their architecture. I would certainly be bored if a city was all CLassic Architecture had no sign of movement and evolution.


I couldn’t agree more. It’s the layers of history that make great cities appealing. No one wishes Paris or D.C. or any other city tore down all their old structures to build what was current with design trends. YUCK ! Dubai and other Middle East cities- as well as newer Asian cities will never be the equal of the more established cities of the world. No matter how many new and shiny towers are built.

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Postby jetnd87 » 28 Jan 2020 10:33

Cbdallas wrote:I wish that this was going to be at least as tall as Museum Tower across the park. 30 stories is not very tall. Dallas just can't seem to get any traction on height.


I totally agree. I just don't understand / haven't heard a good answer as to why Dallas can't get more height, especially with prime lots like this one. Projects like The Union are essentially 100% leased within a year of completion. At those stats, why the hell wouldn't you assume a bit more risk and go higher? The building's architecture is fine by me, I'm more bemoaning the lack of height in the last prime park-adjacent lot (and lack of height elsewhere).

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Postby eburress » 28 Jan 2020 10:36

I like the building's architecture well enough but I think it would actually appear striking with another 15-20 more floors.

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Postby Tnexster » 28 Jan 2020 16:07

eburress wrote:I like the building's architecture well enough but I think it would actually appear striking with another 15-20 more floors.


I'm prepared to like it and like what I see so far but would like to see the proposal from other angles.

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Postby Tnexster » 30 Jan 2020 08:27

Closer look: New Uptown Dallas high-rise project will include gardens and a hotel
KDC and Miyama plan two towers on Klyde Warren Park

This actually looks taller than the previous rendering, hopefully somebody can capture all of these renderings.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... d-a-hotel/

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Postby texasstar » 30 Jan 2020 08:54

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So, this is TWO 30-story towers. If this were all in one tower, it would be the 60-story goodness we all long for. But, that would probably never get approved. Because, Love Field.

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Postby R1070 » 30 Jan 2020 09:26

I wish one of the towers was a little different in height to provide some variation.

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Postby eburress » 30 Jan 2020 09:30

Once both phases are complete, yes, that (two towers) is correct.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 Jan 2020 09:50

I must agree, the design is uninspiring ... Good to see one more lot go vertical though.

The hotel component will be a welcome sign.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 30 Jan 2020 09:55

eburress wrote:Once both phases are complete, yes, that (two towers) is correct.


It appears to be 3 towers. There's the 30 story hotel, 30 story office, and a smaller office tower. Take a look at slideshow with color coded towers. There's 2 office buildings.

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Postby eburress » 30 Jan 2020 10:29

I couldn't tell how connected the components of phase 2 were and whether its office and hotel portions were actually separate towers, but if they're only attached at the base then you're right.


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