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Posted: **31 Aug 2018 12:08**

Meanwhile....on floor 12

Posted: **14 Sep 2018 13:10**

From today.

Posted: **14 Sep 2018 14:23**

Looks like 13 or is it really 14 since nobody likes 13 even tho 14 is still the 13th floor. Crazy

Posted: **14 Sep 2018 18:17**

Tnexster wrote:Looks like 13 or is it really 14 since nobody likes 13 even tho 14 is still the 13th floor. Crazy

Is the parking garage included in the number of floors? Or does level one start at the first residential level (the 10th floor)?

Posted: **14 Sep 2018 21:38**

Is there a good reason I have to sign in to see a picture? Why don’t lurkers have permission to see posted images?

Posted: **16 Sep 2018 11:56**

dallaz wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Looks like 13 or is it really 14 since nobody likes 13 even tho 14 is still the 13th floor. Crazy

Is the parking garage included in the number of floors? Or does level one start at the first residential level (the 10th floor)?

I would say yes but I don't recall seeing the schematic anywhere so I can't say for sure. However if the garage were not included that make it a 56 story tower and since it only eclipses Museum tower by a few feet I am led to believe the garage is included in the overall height.

Posted: **16 Sep 2018 13:53**

Untitled by Around My City, on Flickr

Posted: **16 Sep 2018 16:17**

So exciting to watch this one go up along with Atelier and Hall.

Posted: **16 Sep 2018 21:06**

Looks like the brackets for the glass are being placed on the garage. Looks like the plan all along was to set the glass on the garage when the tower went up.

Posted: **17 Sep 2018 00:07**

What's the lifespan of those brackets? Seems like they would need to be replaced every two decades.

Posted: **18 Sep 2018 21:21**

This will be a fairly thin tower, I wonder how it will look from various angles being that it is not an exact duplicate. Time will tell, promises to be a looker.

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 10:49**

Screenshots from Fountian Place’s website

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 10:54**

From that view it almost looks like a triangular tower but it clearly isn't.

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 11:01**

Tnexster wrote:From that view it almost looks like a triangular tower but it clearly isn't.

It does. I think we can confirm that this will be a tower that chances depending on the angle...just like Fountian Place. This will be the most architecturally significant building built in decades. Hopefully, other developers will take note.

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 11:02**

Wow, I didn't realize there were going to be garden terraces on both sides of the tower. Looking forward to see this one start rising!

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 13:10**

awesome new rendering! would you mind sharing the website?
i am not locating in the web..

Posted: **19 Sep 2018 13:18**

Roman_Patrick wrote:awesome new rendering! would you mind sharing the website?
i am not locating in the web..

Sorry, I forgot to post the website.

http://www.fountainplace.com/building-overview.html

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 09:02**

Thanks for posting that link. I wanted to point something out from their brochure. Here is the amenities list for the building.

If anyone is curious as to why some office workers never need to leave these 80's office towers till they jump in their cars and drive home to Frisco...
Gym, Dy Cleaners, Convenience Store, Deli, Starbucks is available through a tunnel to next door Fairmount which I didn't realize there was a tunnel between the two. These are pretty standard fare for these buildings as well.

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Posted: **20 Sep 2018 13:27**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Thanks for posting that link. I wanted to point something out from their brochure. Here is the amenities list for the building.

If anyone is curious as to why some office workers never need to leave these 80's office towers till they jump in their cars and drive home to Frisco...
Gym, Dy Cleaners, Convenience Store, Deli, Starbucks is available through a tunnel to next door Fairmount which I didn't realize there was a tunnel between the two. These are pretty standard fare for these buildings as well.
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Fountain Place is the terminus of the Dallas Pedestrian Network. It pops out in the plaza along Ross.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 18:45**

Panorama of the Dallas Skyline. You can see the Amli slowly starting to make its presence known.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FOX4/status/ ... 0763323392

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 19:05**

dallaz wrote:Panorama of the Dallas Skyline. You can see the Amli slowly starting to make its presence known.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FOX4/status/ ... 0763323392

Damn that's a sexy skyline !

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 19:35**

Warrior2015 wrote:
dallaz wrote:Panorama of the Dallas Skyline. You can see the Amli slowly starting to make its presence known.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FOX4/status/ ... 0763323392

Damn that's a sexy skyline !

Hell yeah! Uptown and Downtown is basically one continuous skyline. Someone from Houston thought, Uptown was Downtown. They honestly couldn’t tell the difference between the two. That just shows how much growth has occurred in the last 5 to 10 years.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 20:02**

They really have blended together in a big way, KWP has certainly helped fuel that change.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 21:05**

You are absolutely right....KWP has played a huge role in making all that has happen in that area over the last 10 years come to pass. At the early presentation stage it was roundly critiqued as a boondoggle and a waste of time and effort...where are those folks now, oh I know, enjoying the park for a nice lunch break from the office.

It takes strong leaders like Jody Grant (KWP), Erik Jonnson (DFW), Elon Musk (SpaceX and Tesla), Steve Jobs (Apple twice), etc that have such confidence in their vision that all the nay sayers in the world will not stop them from inserting their imprint on the world. It takes a special set of tools in the kit to be able to achieve that level of success. So, thanks Jody and Erik for adding your vision to our great area of the country.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 21:39**

klyde warren park is the best thing downtown/uptown and dallas proper has done in the last 20 years.. complete game changer, hopefully they will make it a little bigger and bridge the gap to the perot museum.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 22:29**

I personally think there is little value added by expanding Klyde Warren. Much more value in decking i-30 or i-35 near Oak Cliff.

Posted: **20 Sep 2018 22:54**

dallaz wrote:
Warrior2015 wrote:
dallaz wrote:Panorama of the Dallas Skyline. You can see the Amli slowly starting to make its presence known.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FOX4/status/ ... 0763323392

Damn that's a sexy skyline !

Hell yeah! Uptown and Downtown is basically one continuous skyline. Someone from Houston thought, Uptown was Downtown. They honestly couldn’t tell the difference between the two. That just shows how much growth has occurred in the last 5 to 10 years.

Yeah and in about a year and some change we will have about 4 more high rises in this general vicinity. Amli, atelier, hall arts, and i guess 2000 ross will be visible from the park if the hotel gets built.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 08:53**

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I personally think there is little value added by expanding Klyde Warren. Much more value in decking i-30 or i-35 near Oak Cliff.

I generally agree. Deck parks are pricey and sort of gimmicks but I do think they start to help with the damage done by freeways. My question is when does the gimmick give out and when does the park itself become as valuable as a park on land that would be much cheaper to build. If you have multiple around town will the same amount of positive influence happen for those localized economies? Not all will be surrounded by high priced residential and office space but they could def still make office space become more premium than before and make land around it more attractive to new kinds of development. I do agree that this tower is a result of KWP influence.

Glad to see Amli making some vertical strides. Now I wonder how long it will be for Hillwood to snag a tenant for their signature tower next door...

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 09:13**

As much as I would agree that having a deckpark in South Dallas is a great idea - I think now it is much more financially rewarding to expand KWP to the West. Imagine KWP connected with walkways to the Perot museum and on the opposite to the plaza base at Fountain Place and perhaps even extended to the South Asian Museum Green Space.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 09:15**

Its already connected. We don't need to waste money on an intrusive and giant overpass that will look more like the mixmaster than a linear park.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 09:30**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Glad to see Amli making some vertical strides. Now I wonder how long it will be for Hillwood to snag a tenant for their signature tower next door...

It’s been 5 years and things really haven’t progressed at all with this tower. At this point, I would be ecstatic if ground breaking occurred before the end of 2020.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 09:31**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Its already connected. We don't need to waste money on an intrusive and giant overpass that will look more like the mixmaster than a linear park.

Dallas doesn't do pragmatic, it does over-the-top. Take a look at our bridges. If this project get's a sponsor with the name Perot or Crowe it's happening.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 09:55**

I believe a portion of KWP’s expansion money was apart of the recent bond package. The rest will have to be raised by private donors.

Whether we like it or not, the park is going to expand. We just don’t know the full details of how it will be accomplished. I think they went back to the drawing broad (someone correct me if I’m wrong).

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 12:06**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Its already connected. We don't need to waste money on an intrusive and giant overpass that will look more like the mixmaster than a linear park.

^^^^^^^
I tend to agree with you ... the Arts District and near CBD areas along with Uptown and near Victory Park areas are already booming.

If money were going to be spent on another deck park to me the most logical and beneficial place would be over I-30, connecting the Cedars to the southern edge of the CBD.

What with all that is either already happening there or is announced another KWP-like deck park over I-30 would lay the foundation for a huge boom to occur in the southern Downtown corridor, just like what has happened along the northern periphery.

The Smart District, high speed train station, the 24 block redevelopment already going on, and the existing activity in the Cedars would absolutely be synergized by a deck park over I-30 and would help lead a boom in the southern sector of the City Center.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 12:10**

The over-designed of simple solutions is always the Dallas way I am well aware and we wonder why our signature bridges are stuck in useless unsafe purgatory.

Posted: **21 Sep 2018 16:14**

cowboyeagle05 wrote:I generally agree. Deck parks are pricey and sort of gimmicks but I do think they start to help with the damage done by freeways. My question is when does the gimmick give out and when does the park itself become as valuable as a park on land that would be much cheaper to build.

I have expressed support on this forum for a deck park over 75 in the past. I would like to see if it can assist to get development to jump across to East Dallas and hasten the infill between Ross and McKinney Ave. Seems like we’ve been waiting forever for that result.

Posted: **28 Sep 2018 18:50**

Glass is going up on the west tower face. I’m almost embarrassed at how excited I am about this. Sorry no pics; was driving by.

Posted: **29 Sep 2018 11:29**

Really? Awesome! The tower portion seems to be moving along at a pretty good clip, they will need to raise that crane soon. They should be about ready to set the 15th level.

Posted: **04 Oct 2018 13:38**

Here are a few updates i took myself this morning and this past weekend. there are a lot of new glass in the lower portion of the tower.. sorry i didn't get a better picture.. also check out the awesome rendering from the website for Fountain Place office tower(:

(no website for AMLI Fountain Place as of now) to my knowledge..

3s04IKymQA2LtMXUjfqVdw by Roman Reyna, on Flickr

lbM66lgOStG9RURTyBO7NA by Roman Reyna, on Flickr

SnipImage by Roman Reyna, on Flickr

Posted: **04 Oct 2018 15:03**

Those are great, along with the glass they have started finish out of the first floor and are currently working on the 16th level. Much going on here right now.

Posted: **10 Oct 2018 14:07**

Posted: **10 Oct 2018 14:15**

That is awesome, I was hoping someone would get a glass pic soon.

Posted: **12 Oct 2018 21:21**

I don't know why this photo came out so terrible, but it was nice to see the height on this from Woodall Rodgers today.

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Posted: **12 Oct 2018 23:19**

I too pass by it everyday, glad to see this tower rise faster now, I predict it will be topped out before the end of next Spring.

Posted: **13 Oct 2018 05:20**

I could be wrong...but it seems like the residential portion of the tower is only 36 floors, which equals a total 45 story building, when you add the 9 story garage.

Here’s what I found on Page Southernland Page (the building’s architecture firm)

https://www.pagethink.com/v/project-det ... dences/du/

With a new 45-story residential tower designed by Page, AMLI Residential will complete Pei Cobb Freed’s Fountain Place Master Plan. A symmetrical prism of emerald green glass, the Fountain Place office tower by Henry Cobb has adorned the Dallas skyline since 1986. The master plan called for a second identical tower on the western edge of the plaza, rotated 90 degrees from the first, but this vision was never realized. The new residential tower honors the spirit of the original plan by filling in a parking lot and embracing the Dan Kiley-designed landscape, and its proportions, massing and cladding are inspired by its sibling. Its form, however, is original and distinctive, with slices, folds and ridges that endow it with a unique identity and initiate a dialogue with the office tower.

Fountain Place Residences sits atop a nine-story parking podium whose 192’ square footprint equals that of the office tower. At the 10th story, the tower rotates 45 degrees to maximize views of Uptown and Santiago Calatrava’s Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge from the residential units. Densely planted with trees, an 18,000 SF roof deck at the 10th floor offers a park-like setting where residents can experience the city and the sky while entertaining or relaxing in outdoor kitchens, cabanas or greenspace. From this level, the tower rises as a crystalline form capped with penthouses featuring canted rooflines presenting unmatched views of the city and the sky. 314 typical units are arranged on the lower 28 floors. Starting at the 29th floor, the building’s geometry creates 53 unique units arranged on the top seven floors.

So, the lower 28 typical floors + 7 upper unique floors = 36 residential floors?

36 residential floors + 9 parking floors = 45 stories?

:?:

Posted: **13 Oct 2018 06:00**

350 units will add a nice 500 or so new residents to the CBD. Pretty fantastic stuff!

Posted: **13 Oct 2018 12:31**

dallaz wrote:I could be wrong...but it seems like the residential portion of the tower is only 36 floors, which equals a total 45 story building, when you add the 9 story garage.

Here’s what I found on Page Southernland Page (the building’s architecture firm)

https://www.pagethink.com/v/project-det ... dences/du/

With a new 45-story residential tower designed by Page, AMLI Residential will complete Pei Cobb Freed’s Fountain Place Master Plan. A symmetrical prism of emerald green glass, the Fountain Place office tower by Henry Cobb has adorned the Dallas skyline since 1986. The master plan called for a second identical tower on the western edge of the plaza, rotated 90 degrees from the first, but this vision was never realized. The new residential tower honors the spirit of the original plan by filling in a parking lot and embracing the Dan Kiley-designed landscape, and its proportions, massing and cladding are inspired by its sibling. Its form, however, is original and distinctive, with slices, folds and ridges that endow it with a unique identity and initiate a dialogue with the office tower.

Fountain Place Residences sits atop a nine-story parking podium whose 192’ square footprint equals that of the office tower. At the 10th story, the tower rotates 45 degrees to maximize views of Uptown and Santiago Calatrava’s Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge from the residential units. Densely planted with trees, an 18,000 SF roof deck at the 10th floor offers a park-like setting where residents can experience the city and the sky while entertaining or relaxing in outdoor kitchens, cabanas or greenspace. From this level, the tower rises as a crystalline form capped with penthouses featuring canted rooflines presenting unmatched views of the city and the sky. 314 typical units are arranged on the lower 28 floors. Starting at the 29th floor, the building’s geometry creates 53 unique units arranged on the top seven floors.

So, the lower 28 typical floors + 7 upper unique floors = 36 residential floors?

36 residential floors + 9 parking floors = 45 stories?

Yes you sound correct!

Posted: **13 Oct 2018 15:02**

"A dialogue with the office tower."

Why must they use such unnecessarily cheesy language like this?

Overall, I'm loving the presence it is invoking on the skyline. It really does serve well as a compliment to Fountain Place.

Posted: **14 Oct 2018 02:32**

[quote="joshua.dodd"]"A dialogue with the office tower."

Why must they use such unnecessarily cheesy language like this?

Overall, I'm loving the presence it is invoking on the skyline. It really does serve well as a compliment to Fountain Place.[/quot

Renzo Piano used the phrase "close enough for a dialogue" to describe his addition to the Kimbell Museum. It seems to appear in every other piece I've read about the Kimbell or Renzo Piano, for the better part of a decade. I think that it bears usage here. Solving the "missing twin" of Fountain Place's dilemma seems like a miracle. And amazingly, the solution seems like a suitable companion to an iconic building. And you have to give it up for the AMLI PR person who thought to recycle "dialogue" so soon after someone else's recent campaign. New AMLI = New Kimbell = Cha-Ching!

Posted: **18 Oct 2018 13:35**

Image 10-18-18 at 1.24 PM by Roman Reyna, on Flickr

photo taken today 10/18
Photo Credit: Paul, from the W residences. Thanks Paul!

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