Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

The_Overdog wrote:It's nice to see hotel proposals moving again. I'm not aware of any that have been recently proposed in the areas I work, and of the ones I'm aware of that have been proposed in the past few years and zoning approved, none have broken ground.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Last I saw the Oak Lawn committee said no cause they felt while burying the parking was a good plan that such a busy hotel with two flags on such small streets was too much they weren't willing to approve. The committee liked the project overall but supposedly Hall and Oak Grove are too small for such an active use.

MrsKravitz wrote:

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Last I saw the Oak Lawn committee said no cause they felt while burying the parking was a good plan that such a busy hotel with two flags on such small streets was too much they weren't willing to approve. The committee liked the project overall but supposedly Hall and Oak Grove are too small for such an active use.

Wow - I was not aware of that! Wonder what the current property owners will do with it now?

Addison wrote:Can we please change the title for this thread, since it's now going to be dual-brand Marriott hotels (versus Hilton)?

rogerroger wrote:It seems like the new group avoided going through the OLC by designing the specs within the current PD-193. Can someone verify this? Looking back in December 2021, OLC rejected the similiar project & the group agreed to put all the parking underground. On the new TDLR submission, it looks like 6 of the 7 parking floors are above grade.

Here is the link to the OLC Dec 2021 meeting docs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14MKJ2vlCopQIGCqFbP3eTDAdAKudmOS0

rono3849 wrote:Why would people expect a "small-town feel" to an area smack dab in the heart of one of the largest metropolitan areas in America? Who are these people? If you want to live in small town America, I'd suggest you move to Iowa or West Texas.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:

rogerroger wrote:It seems like the new group avoided going through the OLC by designing the specs within the current PD-193. Can someone verify this? Looking back in December 2021, OLC rejected the similiar project & the group agreed to put all the parking underground. On the new TDLR submission, it looks like 6 of the 7 parking floors are above grade.

Here is the link to the OLC Dec 2021 meeting docs: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14MKJ2vlCopQIGCqFbP3eTDAdAKudmOS0

Yes, that's the funny thing the OLC, in that case, applauded the parking below ground, and the developer hoped that would get the other approvals as a trade-off. The OLC at that time decided the traffic complaints made by community members were just too much to ignore, so they denied the project. I think in that case, if they had decided to ignore the OLC and go to the council, they probably would have gotten approval, but I would expect city staff and council members would have told them behind closed doors if that was likely to get approved without the OLC's blessing. In this case, they are building what they can without changes cause, legally, they can do a lot without requesting variances. Sadly that means we will get a big butt garage above ground, but we will get a tax-generating dual-branded hotel despite some neighbors believing that traffic will ruin their small-town feel...

Structure Type: High Rise/Sky Scraper
Structure Name: Uptown Dual Brand Hotel

Site Elevation:484
Structure Height: 320
Total Height (AMSL): 804

Work Schedule: 05/01/2023 to 04/30/2025

Site Elevation: 495
Structure Height: 300
Total Height (AMSL): 795

Work Schedule: 05/01/2023 to 04/30/2025

DFW wrote:I agree, very bland, but it’s better than nothing.

eburress wrote:It's doesn't wow me for sure, and obviously it's subjective, but I think it'll turn out better than the renderings suggest. For better or worse I think it'll be on par with the newish Marriott in Uptown on Fairmount and Carlisle.

rono3849 wrote:dual.Hilton-Above (1).jpg

What a hideous development. This is straight off the exit ramp on Stemmons Frwy. on steroids. Ugly and unappealing. The best thing about it is that it is squatty and will be lost in the surrounding buildings in the neighborhood and hard to see from afar. Why can't we get appealing buildings in Dallas? No architectural style or flair.