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Arts District: Flora & Olive Tower (~441 FT / ~39 ST)

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Postby eburress » 12 Aug 2020 10:44

Oh really? I figured they were going to paint The Victor as well. Not sure which I like less.

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Postby lwtx » 12 Aug 2020 11:33

I thought the same thing, but when I drove by the Victor construction site this weekend, it’s apparent they are adding what looks like a white plaster finish on the concrete. And as poor as the concrete finish is, I’m really relieved. (If Tadao Ando were the architect, he would have punched someone.) ;)

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Postby THRILLHO » 12 Aug 2020 12:25

DisplacedTXN wrote:I actually really like the White and the blue glass windows. It looks "fresh" and vibrant to me. We see a lot of the darker bricks being used all around the CBD, so I kind of like the variety.


I agree. It has a Miami feel to it, which I understand is not to everyone's liking but it does add a small spot of brightness to the CBD. I will admit it would look out of place if it were any further away from the arts district/uptown.
I like the building but will also echo everyone else's sentiment that the top portion looks stubby.

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Postby emmasensei » 12 Aug 2020 13:28

I like it too, and I think it looks very different in photographs than it does up (very close). I remember being wowed by the facade last time I walked past a few weeks ago.

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Postby rono3849 » 12 Aug 2020 20:21

emmasensei wrote:I like it too, and I think it looks very different in photographs than it does up (very close). I remember being wowed by the facade last time I walked past a few weeks ago.


The lower level is covered by a white brick facade. The original artists' renderings of the building were done with a light tan/muted white appearance. The bright white really stands out. The nearby Trammell Crow parking garage on Ross Avenue & proposed JW Marriott Hotel, which will top out at 25 floors (15 floor hotel on top of the 10 floor garage) also has a white facade.

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Postby I45Tex » 13 Aug 2020 08:28

This rendering has five floors in the top grid row and a bit of a cornice projecting, so maybe there's a little more cornice material still in store.

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Postby Pike5370 » 13 Aug 2020 11:11

I45Tex wrote:I wish the top row of the facade grid had increased to 6 storeys from 5, instead of decreasing to 4. A decrease to 4 makes it visually need a heavier cornice line to culminate the wall. Otherwise its composition will appear like it only ran out of steam, which is what it appears like right now.


Very good point. You must be in a design field, because this is the type of observation I get from talented design professionals who notice things that I don't...until they point it out to me. I will think about this every time I see this building in the future!! :D

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Postby CTroyMathis » 13 Aug 2020 11:39

Every rendering I seem to find still, including the older city hall pdf presentation shows 5 floors up top. Clearly that isn't the case anymore. Good call on that and the treatments. Also, the base facing Museum Tower and Pearl/Olive exit loop received a different garage facade treatment and also a footprint alteration by Pearl it seems. I think the latter was mentioned as a change possibly years ago, though. Not sure anymore if it was said here or at City Tavern w/some of you! :D

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Postby rono3849 » 13 Aug 2020 16:47

I45Tex wrote:This rendering has five floors in the top grid row and a bit of a cornice projecting, so maybe there's a little more cornice material still in store.


There is a cornice projecting on the top of the tower on the Southern facing side of the building, but not on the Northern side. Very odd.

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Postby rono3849 » 23 Aug 2020 19:29

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Pictorial update of the Flora & Olive Tower's construction site.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 23 Aug 2020 22:39

It looks like a mid rise in these pics

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Postby rono3849 » 24 Aug 2020 12:40

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:It looks like a mid rise in these pics


Indeed. I think the Hall Residence Tower may be slightly taller, if not, they are fairly the same height even though Flora & Olive Tower has nine stories more.

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Postby Tucy » 24 Aug 2020 14:54

rono3849 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:It looks like a mid rise in these pics


Indeed. I think the Hall Residence Tower may be slightly taller, if not, they are fairly the same height even though Flora & Olive Tower has nine stories more.


Actually 12 stories more (39 vs 27) and (according Emporis), one foot taller.

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Postby R1070 » 24 Aug 2020 16:17

Mid-rise is up to 11 floors, correct? 12 and above is a high rise

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Postby rono3849 » 27 Aug 2020 21:19

I think this qualifies for being called a high rise:

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Postby eburress » 27 Aug 2020 22:36

Thank goodness, this one is looking so much better now that the bright white is being covered up!

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Aug 2020 08:01

I liked the white finish.

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Postby LongonBigD » 28 Aug 2020 10:59

So the white was a primer? I can’t tell, what color is it changing to?

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Postby eburress » 28 Aug 2020 14:43

It appears more of a light grey now. You can see the difference in colors in the top center of the building's front view, posted by rono3849.

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Postby Tnexster » 28 Aug 2020 17:15

If nothing else the lighter colors are refreshing additions for the skyline.

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Postby rono3849 » 29 Aug 2020 16:33

Tnexster wrote:If nothing else the lighter colors are refreshing additions for the skyline.


When I took those last photos, the sky was partially overcast, so that's why the white might appear somewhat muted. I'll take some photos this coming week and post them.


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Postby R1070 » 30 Aug 2020 20:09

It still looks white in person.

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Postby willyk » 02 Sep 2020 05:29

All of the sudden we have street life in the Arts District. With this building, the TCT renovation, 2000 Ross and the Hall hotel and restaurants, the change in the feel is quite noticeable. You also feel like the Uptown mood has finally come to the south side of the park. It’s a remarkable change. All we need are a few good anchor restaurants in these spaces and the Arts District will become a pedestrian destination.

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Postby tamtagon » 02 Sep 2020 06:07

I wonder how much longer the Dallas Bar Association will stay at Belo Mansion /or/ I wonder how long until the Dallas Bar Association scraps the pavilion and really upgrade the Flora Street side of the property.

Other than Moody Performance Hall, there's no more developable land on Flora Street, right?

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Postby maconahey » 02 Sep 2020 19:33

I wish the Meyerson would get rid of that wall going down Pearl St. It'd open up the area significantly

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 03 Sep 2020 11:35

When is the Flora Street/Arts District master plan due? I think we are all curious what the total recommendations will be. At minimum it will describe what upgrades should be done to pedestrian infrastructure. The plan wont have much to offer as far as redevelopment of land parcels since everything is mostly accounted for now. The biggest hole is the additional phases of the City Performing Arts Center.
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Postby willyk » 04 Sep 2020 06:24

It would be nice if they figured out how to make more use of Annette Strauss Square—way underutilized now.

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Postby rono3849 » 05 Sep 2020 18:14

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R1070 wrote:It still looks white in person.


I drove by the tower today and it's white, but it does seem the white isn't as bright as it once was. As it nears completion and the windows are put into place, perhaps the impact of the white is diminished.
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Postby rono3849 » 11 Sep 2020 20:40

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As scaffolding is coming down on the Flora & Olive Tower while the top floors and a few middle tier floors are finished off, I noticed concrete work on inbound & outbound driveways is being worked on the ground level. This would facilitate more interior work inside the tower as the facade and exterior nears completion.
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Postby R1070 » 11 Sep 2020 21:28

This looks great from KWP.

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Postby st0760 » 17 Sep 2020 10:56

Finally ventured back into downtown today, the progress here really reminds you how long COVID has lasted.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 17 Sep 2020 15:52

st0760 wrote:Finally ventured back into downtown today, the progress here really reminds you how long COVID has lasted.

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I thought the same thing when I drove on Woodall Rodgers last Sunday. For someone who worked downtown from July 2006 to March 2020, it's been a combination of shock, happiness and nostalgia to see the changes after an absence going on 6 months.

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Postby rono3849 » 17 Sep 2020 21:54

st0760 wrote:Finally ventured back into downtown today, the progress here really reminds you how long COVID has lasted.


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Very true. I expect it should be ready for move-in by mid-Q1 in 2021, if not earlier. It will depend on how fast the interior work will take. I do hope it injects more vibrancy to the area streets.
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Postby Tucy » 18 Sep 2020 00:56

rono3849 wrote:
st0760 wrote:Finally ventured back into downtown today, the progress here really reminds you how long COVID has lasted.


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Very true. I expect it should be ready for move-in by mid-Q1 in 2021, if not earlier. It will depend on how fast the interior work will take. I do hope it injects more vibrancy to the area streets.


How about next month? That's what their website tells us

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Postby rono3849 » 18 Sep 2020 12:34

Tucy wrote:
rono3849 wrote:
st0760 wrote:Finally ventured back into downtown today, the progress here really reminds you how long COVID has lasted.


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Very true. I expect it should be ready for move-in by mid-Q1 in 2021, if not earlier. It will depend on how fast the interior work will take. I do hope it injects more vibrancy to the area streets.


How about next month? That's what their website tells us


Wow. They'll be working 24/7 for sure. The top floors don't even have their windows installed. :o

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Postby rono3849 » 13 Oct 2020 15:26

Flora & Olive Tower inches towards completion.

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Postby RodB » 31 Oct 2020 07:20

The Museum Tower at 42 stories, dwarfs this building at 39 stories.

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Postby Tnexster » 01 Nov 2020 11:10

RodB wrote:The Museum Tower at 42 stories, dwarfs this building at 39 stories.


A single Museum floor is like two F&O floors.

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Postby rono3849 » 01 Nov 2020 20:49

Tnexster wrote:
RodB wrote:The Museum Tower at 42 stories, dwarfs this building at 39 stories.


A single Museum floor is like two F&O floors.


The Flora & Olive Tower, which is 39 stories, is about the same height as the Hall Arts Residences Tower, which is 30 stories.

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Postby Redblock » 24 Nov 2020 23:43

Well, it appears that the leasing office is open. Along Flora Street there are some "Future Resident Parking" signs, the FloraLofts sign is lit and the lobby is well decorated.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/rK1ZX7rR1iKw1py58

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Postby OrangeMike » 25 Nov 2020 18:52

Redblock wrote:Well, it appears that the leasing office is open. Along Flora Street there are some "Future Resident Parking" signs, the FloraLofts sign is lit and the lobby is well decorated.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/rK1ZX7rR1iKw1py58


That looks nice. The website has a lot of detail about available units.

https://www.atelierdallas.com

They have separate branding for the Flora Lofts on the lower floors and the Atelier apartments in the tower, with corner units in both portions priced at a premium to their neighboring apartments. Small studio spaces in the Flora Lofts and some of the Atelier apartments don’t show rental prices but the ones that do give the building a range of rents from $1,710 to $14,305.


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