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Uptown Dallas: Routh and Cedar Springs

Postby jetnd87 » 19 Jul 2019 09:11

Finally some interesting news coming for the 4-acre site on Routh and Cedar Springs

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tel-towers

Much of the block is now occupied by small retail buildings and surface parking lots.Ryan and GFF plan to build a park through the center of the new high-rise complex and put all the parking underground." Our plan has a lot coverage of 55%," Beattie said. "We have over an acre of open space on the site.
"The area adjacent to our existing office building will have small-scale restaurants, and the ground floor of our building will be converted to retail." Ryan hopes to start construction on the development next year, with the first phase opening in late 2022 and early 2023."

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Routh and Cedar Springs

Postby Tnexster » 19 Jul 2019 09:17

Remember on the old forum, we had a thread titled "Uptown is over". Uptown is clearly still on fire. This is across the street from the proposed 30 story tower.....right?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jul 2019 09:33

So this is the replacement of Concrete Cowboy, Kung Fu, and Clutch. I wonder if it will start next year as planned or will fizzle out and we will be left with empty buildings or worse torn down buildings and an even larger parking lot.

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Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jul 2019 10:09

Ryan and GFF plan to build a park through the center of the new high-rise complex


I wonder if they plan to align this with the entrance to the Quandrangle courtyard. That would certainly be nice and would hopefully bring more foot traffic to that development as well.

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Postby j_d_p » 19 Jul 2019 10:10

cowboyeagle05 wrote:So this is the replacement of Concrete Cowboy, Kung Fu, and Clutch. I wonder if it will start next year as planned or will fizzle out and we will be left with empty buildings or worse torn down buildings and an even larger parking lot.


Hope so. I know there's been rumors for years of knocking those down. I'd personally love it.

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Postby eburress » 19 Jul 2019 11:37

This is a larger development than what they were previously planning, and it sounds like it could be a great addition to the area. None of the proposed Cedar Springs projects have gotten off the ground but maybe the dynamics of this one will be different.
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Postby dd_dweller » 19 Jul 2019 11:43

Can anyone snap the photo from the article? I'm not able to read it.

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Postby eburress » 19 Jul 2019 12:18

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Postby willyk » 19 Jul 2019 13:06

Tnexster wrote:Remember on the old forum, we had a thread titled "Uptown is over". Uptown is clearly still on fire. This is across the street from the proposed 30 story tower.....right?


The other candidates, DD, TG, DE, EMC and KH have all made great strides since then, but Uptown has gone national, maybe international, in attracting capital.

It strikes me that The Union and Park District now set the benchmark for large scale development in Uptown, this one being an example of what is to be expected now.

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Postby DPatel304 » 19 Jul 2019 14:23

willyk wrote:It strikes me that The Union and Park District now set the benchmark for large scale development in Uptown, this one being an example of what is to be expected now.


Yep, seems that way. You also have the Central Market development which didn't set the benchmark, but is definitely continuing the trend.

That rendering looks beautiful. It's about time something glorious filled that gaping hole right in the heart of Uptown. I'm still sad to see the Idle Rich and Gingerman buildings go, but once those are razed and replaced along with the Nicle & Rye building, there will be a crazy amount of density in this little area.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 19 Jul 2019 14:29

Also, even the Epic also meets a similar benchmark being a residential, hotel and office project all in one but it's in Deep Ellum.

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Postby Austin55 » 19 Jul 2019 17:45

That's a great looking cluster of buildings. Exciting stuff.

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Postby Mr. Amsterdam » 20 Jul 2019 04:16

DPatel304 wrote:
That rendering looks beautiful. It's about time something glorious filled that gaping hole right in the heart of Uptown. I'm still sad to see the Idle Rich and Gingerman buildings go, but once those are razed and replaced along with the Nicle & Rye building, there will be a crazy amount of density in this little area.


I'm out of the loop - what's replacing Gingerman?

I wonder if this means the old Sunstone building will be raised. It was one of the few buildings in that area that looked like it had a past.
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Postby tamtagon » 20 Jul 2019 08:44

Tnexster wrote:Remember on the old forum, we had a thread titled "Uptown is over". Uptown is clearly still on fire. This is across the street from the proposed 30 story tower.....right?


Ya, and along those lines, we have reporting that always seems to mention "one of the last developable tracts of land in Uptown" every time a new project is proposed.... but really much of the slice of Oak Lawn called Uptown holds potential for new development - not a vacant property or a surface parking lot, but relatively easy to prep.

So this one seems to keep with the template of large, multilevel, mostly contiguous parking garage topped off with an amenities deck from which multiple highrise buildings are positioned --- and in this case the multilevel parking garage is underground.

I wonder if that new drainage tunnel is making Uptown real estate redevelopments more likely to have below surface parking...?

FOR SURE, the city and DART need to come up with new, fixed public transportation corridors/circular from Love Field through the city neighborhoods. As the downtown area continues to gain population, entertainment destinations and offices, the most excellently convenient airport should come with equally convenient, affordable and efficient public transportation. Perhaps dedicated BRT lanes could rent access to ride-sharing services, the focus being congestion reduction specifically for trips between the airport downtown.

Historic preservation needs to guide the direction of this new wave of Uptown and Turtle Creek redevelopment. Consolidating parcels of land for large-larger-largest mixed use masterplans will need to include the past....

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Postby DPatel304 » 21 Jul 2019 00:04

Mr. Amsterdam wrote:I'm out of the loop - what's replacing Gingerman?

I wonder if this means the old Sunstone building will be raised. It was one of the few buildings in that area that looked like it had a past.


Nothing official has been stated yet, but Lakewood2Uptown had mentioned Gingerman will shut down at the end of the year:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=192&start=300#p24717

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Postby DPatel304 » 07 Aug 2019 23:44

Looks incredible, thanks for sharing! My only (minorish) gripe about this, is that I was hoping the pedestrian walk-way through this development was going to align with the Quandrangle. I get that these two are coming from two different developers, but it's a shame there isn't a little bit of cohesion between the two. I'm guessing a lot of that might just have to do with the fact that they are both on a similar timeline, so it's not like these guys could have known what was going to happen at the Quandrangle until fairly recently.

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Postby exelone31 » 08 Aug 2019 08:46

Lots of "gathering" about to happen here, it seems.

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Postby vman » 08 Aug 2019 08:51

[quote="jsoto3"]2500 Cedar Springs
https://candysdirt.com/2019/08/07/five- ... ee-part-2/


"But also note the green necklace surrounding the whole project.
One reason that all this can be done is 100 percent underground parking. Burying the eyesore of aboveground parking makes all the difference. A lesson unlearned within Victory Park."

Gotta love the shade thrown at Victory Park!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 Aug 2019 09:36

It is also the gateway to Turtle Creek which means they know the extra cost of making things actually look decent is worth the investment cause IF they ever build this they will be able to lease it. Try to convince the same developer to put the same amount of money into another part of town by burying all parking underground and they will laugh at you in the face.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 08 Aug 2019 11:19

Thought this looked familiar.

2500-CS-Office-1.jpg

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Postby homeworld1031tx » 08 Aug 2019 13:07

Dang we're really going to lose a lot of the last bastions of nightlife in uptown. BBC going away with the Quadrangle redevelopment, and now 3 of the last large bars in the area with this, if it goes through as planned. This doesn't personally effect me as I do not frequent these places any more, but a large pull towards uptown for the younger, just out of college crowd was, of course, this easy access to nightlife. Over the next 5 years it'll be interesting to see if Uptown can continue to attract this cohort when there isn't nearly as much nightlife around the area. Not to be dramatic but I wouldn't be surprised if this started to have an impact on occupancy rates. Would be interesting to see how many residents in uptown are, say, 22-28.

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Postby Cbdallas » 08 Aug 2019 13:19

Maybe it will transition to a demographic of slightly older empty nesters with more restuarants, shops, etc. along with that new Central Market and other stores. I would love to see some of those towers go condo towards a mid level pricing and let the area get dense. The party scene can move onto Deep Ellum or downtown and drive more apartment building around those areas.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 Aug 2019 13:41

The party scene is already tearing Deep Ellum apart but it will pass by there too. The difference is uptown has lots of office and residential space to lean on. When the party scene leaves Deep Ellum you are left with empty one-story buildings.

I can not wait for this project to start but the developer has publicly said its too early to discuss a start date. I think we will be waiting for at least another year.

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Postby I45Tex » 08 Aug 2019 14:31

lakewoodhobo wrote:Thought this looked familiar.

2500-CS-Office-1.jpg
2300Mckinney_05.jpg


609 Main in Houston has two similar chamfers over the sidewalk at the Main Street end of the building:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/609+M ... c8b182d9a9

A tower in Chicago finished the same year has another active overhang:

http://www.architecture.org/learn/resou ... riverside/


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