Dallas Fort Worth Urban Forum

Dallas City hall is ugly. I loathe any building build with concrete as an design feature. Burnett Tower in Ft. Worth is the same kind of ugly. They all look like Soviet buildings.

I like the Stack. This kind of infill is great for DE.

Maybe we need a thread for the ugliest building in Dallas. Sounds like we have a lot of candidates.

The two themed buildings seem to be turning into a thing... party on the bottom, business on the top. Isn't there one in Plano/Frisco on tap?

WAIT --- is this going where Sol's Taco Lounge used to be?

tamtagon wrote:WAIT --- is this going where Sol's Taco Lounge used to be?

Sol's was where the original side of The Free Man is now.

Did you ever go there Hannibal? That place had the best spinach enchiladas and margaritas. I've got some nice stories from inside that place!

^ Many times.It was a fun place.

Pepe and Mito's is a more than adequate replacement. Great margaritas and the best guacamole in town.

Hannibal Lecter wrote:Pepe and Mito's is a more than adequate replacement. Great margaritas and the best guacamole in town.

Love that place. One of the better Tex-Mex spots in Dallas.

Looks like some of the facade on the garage has gone up.

MC_ScattCat wrote:Dallas City hall is ugly. I loathe any building build with concrete as an design feature. Burnett Tower in Ft. Worth is the same kind of ugly. They all look like Soviet buildings.

It was designed by one of the greatest architects in the 20th century, I.M. Pei. What's not to like?

THRILLHO wrote:Looks like some of the facade on the garage has gone up.

The aren't even using real bricks put down by real bricklayers. Just precast panels trucked in.

MC_ScattCat wrote:Dallas City hall is ugly. I loathe any building build with concrete as an design feature. Burnett Tower in Ft. Worth is the same kind of ugly. They all look like Soviet buildings.

You'll love this... https://www.instagram.com/brotalism/ or https://www.instagram.com/brutalady/

Deep Ellum project gets a reboot for a COVID-19 world

Still ugly and totally out of place.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -19-world/

But way better than that surface lot.

^ You won't find many people in this neighborhood who will agree with you.

Bad development is worse than no development.

Once they finish this floor they're working on the project will have topped off.
Driving into town along 30, this building really makes the core visually stretch further east.

Nice!

Thanks for the picture! I haven't been to Deep Ellum in months, so it's great to see the progress being made here.

Topped off.

Also, it appears that they're only putting the fake brickwork on two or three sides of the parking garage. The south side is plain old concrete. Another FU to the neighborhood. Can't tell yet what their going to do with the west side, but I'm not optimistic since they haven't shown any drawings of that side.

This is looking very nice! I'm looking forward to this one being completed, The Epic, and Good E, I think this area will be bustling when all of these projects are completed.

Hannibal Lecter wrote:Topped off.

Also, it appears that they're only putting the fake brickwork on two or three sides of the parking garage. The south side is plain old concrete. Another FU to the neighborhood. Can't tell yet what their going to do with the west side, but I'm not optimistic since they haven't shown any drawings of that side.

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Yeah, I have to agree. Why not just put up the fake brickwork on all sides? I think there are plans to build condos adjacent to the Adam Hat factory and that development will face a concrete wall. Not a great view at all, IMO.

This looks like a movie set when its so one sided.

cowboyeagle05 wrote:This looks like a movie set when its so one sided.

Good analogy.

rono3849 wrote:Yeah, I have to agree. Why not just put up the fake brickwork on all sides? I think there are plans to build condos adjacent to the Adam Hat factory and that development will face a concrete wall. Not a great view at all, IMO.

Maybe they can authorize a mural? Idk. Either way a blank wall is ripe for graffiti.

There are plans to place a mural

dbent wrote:There are plans to place a mural

ah i see. well that's great!
But i meant the wall opposite to the faux windows. the other long side of the building.
It is completely blank It would have made sense to continue the brick work to that side as well.
Although i understand given that it is basically an alley on that side. Facing the bomb factory.
That wall is very prominent from the highway, so a large mural, even if peppered by windows would be very visible. Maybe they can do something like on the Sheraton. a giant poster.

dbent wrote:There are plans to place a mural

And trees as well.... Don't really see that happening.

This is the wall I was referencing btw.
Its giant and gray. Perfect for a mural, window cutouts aside.
Being that it faces an alley, I understand why they wouldnt put money in it.
But it is so visible from miles away.
They'd be better served to making use of that space advertising, a cool mural.
People drive from all over to see deep ellum's murals.
But honestly even painting it brick color would make it less of an eye sore.

That really is fairly unattractive, a mural would be a great remedy.

quixomniac wrote:This is the wall I was referencing btw.
Its giant and gray. Perfect for a mural, window cutouts aside.
Being that it faces an alley, I understand why they wouldnt put money in it.
But it is so visible from miles away.
They'd be better served to making use of that space advertising, a cool mural.
People drive from all over to see deep ellum's murals.
But honestly even painting it brick color would make it less of an eye sore.
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Per ALT+CO... At the moment, plans call for no further enhancements to that part of the building. They think it makes for an interesting zone for a mural, perhaps directed by the anchor tenant. As the city increases its density, you won’t see the base of the building from the vantage spot you sent the photo. Plans are for another Streetlights residential tower between your camera shot and the building. A mural if there is one more than likely it will be left as is.

dbent wrote:

quixomniac wrote:This is the wall I was referencing btw.
Its giant and gray. Perfect for a mural, window cutouts aside.
Being that it faces an alley, I understand why they wouldnt put money in it.
But it is so visible from miles away.
They'd be better served to making use of that space advertising, a cool mural.
People drive from all over to see deep ellum's murals.
But honestly even painting it brick color would make it less of an eye sore.
IMG_1765.jpg

Per ALT+CO... At the moment, plans call for no further enhancements to that part of the building. They think it makes for an interesting zone for a mural, perhaps directed by the anchor tenant. As the city increases its density, you won’t see the base of the building from the vantage spot you sent the photo. Plans are for another Streetlights residential tower between your camera shot and the building. A mural if there is one more than likely it will be left as is.

Also, they state everything between your photo vantage point and the Stack is in the designated “opportunity zone” - a Trump tax designation which is driving driving several multifamily developments, Streetlights is already in advanced stages.

Preview of the mural being painted on The Stack:
https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/visual-arts/2021/03/16/a-new-8500-square-foot-mural-in-deep-ellum-is-artist-tristan-eatons-tribute-to-texas/

It looks incredible. I hope it stays well after the 10 year mark passes.

THRILLHO wrote:Preview of the mural being painted on The Stack:
https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/visual-arts/2021/03/16/a-new-8500-square-foot-mural-in-deep-ellum-is-artist-tristan-eatons-tribute-to-texas/

It looks incredible. I hope it stays well after the 10 year mark passes.

Great!. saw it driving by, was waiting until they finished to post a picture.
By his estimate that would be tomorrow? or the day after?

Now if someone would do something about the other giant wall....
Someone said it would be blocked by encroaching and existing developments, at least from the highway
I'd have to say, someone living in Adam Hats lofts wouldnt particularly appreciate looking at a blank wall when it was once a view of downtown, nor would anyone else renting at the new apt developments that keep popping up.

Finished Mural. Now if they would just do that back wall too...

Finished Mural. Now if they would just do that back wall too...

What an improvement. The blank back wall significantly detracts from the building, and I would say including its value, given its visibility from I-345. Another mural, or even a giant iPhone ad, would make a big difference.

This is great.

I love it. More, please.

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

Untitled by rlopez2011, on Flickr

That blank wall is still absolutely hideous, but hopeful that someday soon, something will go up on it. Anyways, first tenant announced, and it's Hines...
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/05/26/the-stack-deep-ellum.html?

I actually don't mind the blank wall. In fact, I kinda like its raw and light contrast. It's not terrible. The windows give it an aesthetic break compared to a blank wall of concrete.

Dallas Gypsy wrote:I actually don't mind the blank wall. In fact, I kinda like its raw and light contrast. It's not terrible. The windows give it an aesthetic break compared to a blank wall of concrete.

Okay, yeah, I definitely went too far with my words because I don’t hate it as much as many people, and in a weird way, it works, but I’d definitely rather see a mural or brick on that side for the sake of lower levels being cohesive.

undefinedprocess wrote:That blank wall is still absolutely hideous, but hopeful that someday soon, something will go up on it. Anyways, first tenant announced, and it's Hines...
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/05/26/the-stack-deep-ellum.html?

Am I wrong to think that when the developer moves into its own building, that’s a bad sign?

willyk wrote:

undefinedprocess wrote:That blank wall is still absolutely hideous, but hopeful that someday soon, something will go up on it. Anyways, first tenant announced, and it's Hines...
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/05/26/the-stack-deep-ellum.html?

Am I wrong to think that when the developer moves into its own building, that’s a bad sign?

Eh, I don’t think you’re wrong, but I kinda understand it a bit in this situation. Location is great, brand new, amenities galore, etc. Plus, they moved from Chase Tower, so probably works well for them financially.

But I still agree with you overall, just think it applies a little less here.

willyk wrote:

undefinedprocess wrote:That blank wall is still absolutely hideous, but hopeful that someday soon, something will go up on it. Anyways, first tenant announced, and it's Hines...
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2021/05/26/the-stack-deep-ellum.html?

Am I wrong to think that when the developer moves into its own building, that’s a bad sign?

Would usually agree, but I think this building will do just fine given the location, demographic and product. If the developer were the same building the Spire I would be worried, but this is Hines.

I gave the Stack alot of crap for their blank wall,but I’m willing to take back some
They have this mural at the bottom of that blank wall in the alley.
Looks great! Now just paint the rest of the wall.
Ideally something simple, either brick color, or blue like the sky. With some clouds.

Another residential tower will block this blank wall ...so whatevs.

I believe the Adam Hat factory flats are going to be expanded, which will block this wall eventually. Now when that ever breaks ground is anyone's guess.

quixomniac wrote:Now just paint the rest of the wall.
Ideally something simple, either brick color, or blue like the sky. With some clouds.

Like this Toy Story hotel
https://twitter.com/tdrexplorer/status/1403238096444051456?s=20