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Uptown Dallas: 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 14:12
by Matt777
We finally see a proposal to replace the Pizza Hut strip mall on Cedar Springs, an unnamed luxury hotel. The designs look nice and address the terrible pedestrian infrastructure currently on this lot. It was presented to the Oak Lawn committee asking for 2 minor allowances, and seems to be ready for approval.
The only area I could see for improvement is wider sidewalks, especially around the grassy statue area. There's no reason for so much open grassy area along these major streets.
From Candy's Dirt, Jon Anderson:
https://candysdirt.com/2019/02/06/oak-l ... ury-hotel/.....Across Cedar Springs Road from the Ritz-Carlton and the McKinney & Olive buildings sits a half-acre, triangular parcel anchored by Pizza Hut and Comet Cleaners in a shopworn building. Last night, the Oak Lawn Committee saw renderings for an 18-story “lifestyle” hotel crowned by a restaurant, pool, and check-in desk. Yes, the check-in desk will be in the top floor offering a cool experience I’ve seen in Mandarin Oriental hotels in New York City and Las Vegas (since renamed).
The unnamed hotel brand at 2025 Cedar Springs Road will house guests in 230 rooms and suites with a minimum of meeting rooms. This is important because the tiny lot would make large spaces less practical not only due to space, but the ability to supply parking for large meetings and events. As it is, parking needs for the small plot, will be housed in three and a half underground levels. Large meeting or banquet functions would require a much deeper parking hole.....
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 14:18
by Kelley USA
WOW, I absolutely love that! Looks really good.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 14:36
by Tivo_Kenevil
Why do we need that small slither of grass....just build a proper sidewalk.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 14:46
by Cbdallas
Wish they would another 15 stories above the hotel for condos.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 15:38
by DPatel304
Looks great! I agree though, hate the sidewalks, but a huge improvement over what is there currently.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 18:40
by R1070
I wonder when we will see Loews, Mandarin, St Regis, Intercontinental, etc. come to the core of the city.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 21:22
by Tnexster
Very nice!
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 06 Feb 2019 23:17
by joshua.dodd
Gross. This tower is way too generic for such a location. This is prime real estate that deserves something of great character, less glass, more charm, and more distinction. Dallas has been overwhelmed by generic glass towers. Needless to say, not a fan of this.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 07 Feb 2019 01:47
by itsjrd1964
R1070 wrote:I wonder when we will see Loews, Mandarin, St Regis, Intercontinental, etc. come to the core of the city.
It will be interesting to see if they get a brand for this, and which one.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 07 Feb 2019 07:56
by tamtagon
joshua.dodd wrote:Gross. This tower is way too generic for such a location. This is prime real estate that deserves something of great character, less glass, more charm, and more distinction. Dallas has been overwhelmed by generic glass towers. Needless to say, not a fan of this.
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Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 07 Feb 2019 18:07
by cowboyeagle05
Sounds like it could be one of those projects they are shopping around and if a hotel flag signs on the design would change based on their standards and requests. It could get better or worse depending on which hotel flag signs on the dotted line. Just cause this version gets approved doesn't mean the hotel project will ever happen either if no hotel flag wants in on the project.
Def seems to be a push for more hotels in this immediate area though with Harwood building its own and Hall building something on the Downtown side. If that Trammel Crow tower parking garage hotel ever moves ahead that's another.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 13 Nov 2019 12:23
by dallaz
Any updates?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:44
by jetnd87
Haven't heard anything thus far. Bit of a tangent, but applicable to this, what is going on with Dallas' hotel scene right now? Currently, the following projects are (fairly reliably) in the works:
- Pittman Hotel (Kimpton) as part of The Epic
- Virgin Hotel in the Design District
- Mandarin Oriental on Turtle Creek
- Hall Arts Hotel in Arts District
- Thompson Hotel as part of 1401 Elm Street renovation
- Intercontinental Hotel as part of Cityplace Tower re-do
- JW Marriott on Ross Avenue
- Harwood Hotel
- Reno / rebrand of Magnolia Hotel to Beeman Hotel as part of larger mixed use development at Mockingbird Station
- $21M renovation of the W Hotel by Dunhill Partners
- Hilton dual-branded hotel at Hall and Oak Grove in Uptown
- Marriott next to Nick and Sam's Steakhouse
- Warwick Melrose expansion on Oak Lawn
That's all on top of this hypothetical hotel project to replace the Pizza Hut shopping center, plus the quasi-hotel (same function for first ten years) of the Rastegar project at McKinney & Akard.
Wtf is happening? Has Dallas been woefully under-served w.r.t. hotels? Is this rampant overbuilding? Anyone in the industry have an enlightened opinion?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 09:48
by DPatel304
I'm wondering what is going on too. My non-expert opinion is that we have been under-served in the hotel market for quite sometime, and perhaps people were still a bit hesitant on investing in our urban core. I really do feel like Uber has brought some confidence back into the market, which is why we have seen a flurry of announcements lately. Maybe some of these wanted to move forward when it was speculated that Amazon's HQ2 was coming to Dallas, but decided to hold when that didn't happen?
I also feel like we are highly under-served in the condo market, so I'm hoping we'll see a similar wave of activity in the condo market sometime soon as well.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:02
by R1070
I think Dallas has been underserved, but the area and central Dallas growth are contributing as well. More people want to stay in the CBD.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 11:56
by dbent
From someone familiar, Dallas has long been beneath hotel market need. New hotel growth in Dallas (DFW) will continue until 2023 when the market is expected to decline but stabilize Dallas (DFW) This goes for commercial was well continue its pace to 2023 with full saturation then stop ..can be confirmed with NTCOG.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 12:35
by exelone31
I think there is one very clear correlation here folks...the XFL season starts in 86 days. The droves have to stay SOMEWHERE!!
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 13:05
by cowboyeagle05
And lord knows who wants to stay in Arlington...when you could stay the Virgin in Dallas or be near Sundance in Fort Worth and Uber to the game.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 14:45
by muncien
I'm still hoping this results in some conversion of older hotels. I would think that places like the Sharaton, Hyatt, Adolphus and Hilton Anatole will come under pressure from all the newer competition. Also, this is just perception as far as I know, but much more of the stays seem to be leisure oriented instead of business.
Many years ago, when living in LA, I recall when a similar burst occurred down around the Staples Center which resulted in a couple legacy hotels converting sections of rooms over to condo.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 14 Nov 2019 23:53
by willyk
I think that the Dallas CBD (no cannabis reference intended) hotels have historically been about conventions and business travel. The arrival of the MO, JWM and Virgin brands suggest the CBD is becoming a viable vacation destination.
Performing arts, museums, parks, sports, restaurants, nightlife—its all there in the CBD and its surrounding neighborhoods. Ready to add more shopping now.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 12 Dec 2019 12:18
by dallaz
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 12 Dec 2019 14:18
by Tnexster
Guess this answers that question.....
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 12 Dec 2019 14:44
by I45Tex
Here's more about Hyatt's Thompson Hotels and their 216-room (ours 230) project underway in Denver:
https://www.hotel-online.com/press_rele ... -colorado/
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 08 Jan 2020 11:32
by Zmitz
The Pizza Hut and Comet Cleaners have both closed!
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 08 Jan 2020 11:38
by cowboyeagle05
Yeah, my friend tried to order a pizza from Pizza Hut last week and the website said the location was permanently closed. The bad thing is since they have their zones dedicated to certain stores the Oak Lawn location which is actually closer to him won't take his delivery order. So basically no Pizza Hut deliveries for a large swath of addresses won't work. They are strict on the zones because they don't like overwhelming a location with too many orders that they cant serve in enough time. Supposedly they have already found a new location for the Oak Lawn location since Street Lights will be taking that land soon too.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 08 Jan 2020 11:45
by Tucy
Did I miss something? Is there some indication that this is going to be a Thompson Hotel?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 08 Jan 2020 12:04
by DPatel304
I'm surprised Pizza Hut didn't secure a new location prior to closing down this one.
Either way, very happy to hear that things seem to be progressing here!
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 08 Jan 2020 14:05
by R1070
So a Thompson hotel on this site and at the Major Elm Street renovation downtown?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 09 Jan 2020 21:27
by Tnexster
Tucy wrote:Did I miss something? Is there some indication that this is going to be a Thompson Hotel?
Haven't seen anything about a flag for this one but I did miss the part about four levels of underground parking. That's good to know.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 12:43
by kingpin
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Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 14:32
by Tnexster
So everybody left and now those spots are for lease?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 14:54
by Tucy
Tnexster wrote:So everybody left and now those spots are for lease?
Well, shoot. That doesn't exactly bode well for the prospects of this luxury hotel development, does it?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 17:54
by rono3849
Tnexster wrote:So everybody left and now those spots are for lease?
Scratch one more announced hotel off the list. Once again, the hotel/travel industry is in total meltdown. I suspect they have decided to put their hands in their collective pockets.
This is the second victim of Candy's Dirt vendetta on hotels with above ground parking. This hotel & the dual Hilton-brand hotels modified their parking to planned underground arrangement.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 18:02
by rono3849
rono3849 wrote:Tnexster wrote:So everybody left and now those spots are for lease?
Scratch one more announced hotel off the list. Once again, the hotel/travel industry is in total meltdown. I suspect they have decided to put their hands in their collective pockets.
This is the second victim of Candy's Dirt's vendetta on hotels with above ground parking. This hotel & the dual Hilton-brand hotels modified their parking to planned underground arrangement.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 18:04
by rono3849
Tnexster wrote:So everybody left and now those spots are for lease?
Scratch one more announced hotel off the list. Once again, the hotel/travel industry is in total meltdown. I suspect they have decided to put their hands in their collective pockets.
This is the second victim of Candy's Dirt's vendetta on hotels with above ground parking. This hotel & the dual Hilton-brand hotels modified their parking to planned underground arrangement.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 11 Jan 2021 20:37
by R1070
Sigh...This was on my list of “must happen” developments. There’s some lots around Uptown that are dying for an upgrade and this is definitely one of them.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 12 Jan 2021 04:55
by willyk
Temporary beer garden, like the Rustic.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 17 Dec 2022 13:55
by BigD5349
Update, this development appears to be revived. Demo of the old Pizza Hut strip center is scheduled for 1Q23.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 17 Dec 2022 16:07
by R1070
I assumed it was coming back to life when they stopped trying to lease the spaces and the pizza place seems to have closed. This will be a great location for a hotel.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 17 Dec 2022 20:02
by Semper454
What's the source here? Funny this pops up the day after Harwood's at-long-last PR push yesterday on the forever-delayed Swexan.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 03 Jan 2023 08:57
by undefinedprocess
Semper454 wrote:What's the source here? Funny this pops up the day after Harwood's at-long-last PR push yesterday on the forever-delayed Swexan.
Yeah, any update on source for this?
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 03 Jan 2023 09:36
by Tucy
It looks like the "source" is nothing more than the news that the existing (vacant) strip mall is finally scheduled for demolition.
Re: Uptown: Luxury Hotel, 2025 Cedar Springs (Pizza Hut Strip Mall)
Posted: 03 Jan 2023 15:49
by CTroyMathis
That parking lot is hilariously always full of vehicles daily (contractors and whatnot for nearby places I guess). But, strangely, the little uphill lot to it off of Olive after the hard turn isn't. You could film a Zombieland scene there. Today there were unclaimed boots and a cup of urine sitting there by a back door. I decided to forgo the photo op. The pizza place left a lot of cans of tomatoes inside. Some as props (like the Parmesan cheese wheels), but, there are 3 Sysco tomato cases you can clearly see through the window that aren't props. A lot of mail by a cash register and drinks left behind.