Uptown Dallas: The Terminal (Fitzhugh @ Katy Trail)

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Postby Matt777 » 15 Nov 2018 13:15

SOURCE: https://candysdirt.com/2018/11/14/olc-v ... l-returns/

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The Terminal – 4205 Buena Vista Street at Fitzhugh and Katy Trail

Replacing an orange stucco low-rise, The Terminal would be a vast improvement. The proposed building is designed to house 25 for sale condos, averaging 2,500 square feet, on the upper five floors with various eateries and offices below. The “Terminal” name and imagery are meant to evoke a train terminal, paying homage to the Katy Trail’s roots as a train line. The first two stories have a train terminal reminiscence with oversized arched windows and dark brick. The glass will surely make working or eating in these spaces light-filled with excellent views of the Katy (and scantily clad summertime joggers).

What’s also cool about these lower two floors is the publicly accessible cut through from the street to the Katy Trail. It not only enables access, but also grounds the building with the trail. Of course, with eateries and watering holes (the developer packet lists “chia pudding” among other delicacies – whatever that is), Regardless of the menu, I’m sure the beckoning is meant to encourage Katy Trail patrons to jog with more money.

Not all is rosy, there’s a pinch of odd. It took me a while to figure out why a portion of the building’s front stuck out (right). It makes the whole building look like it’s been jostled off its base a little. The reason is that the building has to bend out of the way of the huge electrical tower at left. The needed cantilever effects that part of the building from front to back.

I figure there’s little choice in order to get the interiors to work best and not electrocute residents, but it’s still an oddity to the eye that’s made more noticeable by the change in brick color. The bump out reduces some setbacks above 36 feet (part of the developer asks).

Speaking of developer asks, aside from one tree fewer on the Fitzhugh and Buena Vista elevations, they’re asking for 3.6-to-1 FAR instead of 2.5-to-1. But the added FAR equates to a taller building (that’s still below zoned height) so they can drop the lot coverage from the zoned 80 percent to the proposed 62.5 percent. This should make the connectivity with the Katy that much stronger (as if the chia pudding needed help – ha!).

Note three to Victory Park – all parking, valet, trash and loading will be underground.


What a lovely little project. I'm glad to see a new for-sale condo option in an area with a strong history of condo ownership, rather than Downtown/Victory Park where condos are a new thing. The design is lovely too. I used to own a condo right up the street from this on Buena Vista and it's a wonderful area.

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Postby DPatel304 » 15 Nov 2018 13:34

Wow, this one looks incredible! I know many people are all about keeping the trail as a trail, but, honestly, I like seeing more development occurring on the trail.

I agree, the Beauna Vista area is lovely, and in a great location right between Knox and Uptown. I'm guessing we'll see a lot more development along Fitzhugh in the near future, and this particular development is really setting the bar high to start with.

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Postby buildingswithlegs » 15 Nov 2018 14:02

Yes! That lot was such a waste, an exciting design albeit a bit quirky

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Postby flyswatter » 15 Nov 2018 14:03

Great! Will be interesting to see how much the HP side of the Trail complains about another "high rise" on the Dallas side. There's no official entrance there for the trail either so this would be a great add.

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Postby CRE_Investor » 15 Nov 2018 14:49

That looks cool, but I'll be interested to see how the expensive condos right next to the high voltage transmission line sell.

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Postby Matt777 » 15 Nov 2018 15:14

CRE_Investor wrote:That looks cool, but I'll be interested to see how the expensive condos right next to the high voltage transmission line sell.


There's only one big "post" along the property and that's right by Fitzhugh. Yes, there will be lines nearby but let's be honest, Dallas is filled with power lines in both rich and poor areas.

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Postby exelone31 » 15 Nov 2018 16:11

That looks pretty awesome. I like the train terminal inspiration for the bottom floor. I'll temper expectations on all the hanging greenery, but I really like the color scheme of the building.

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Postby LongonBigD » 15 Nov 2018 16:31

I like it! Nice, if quirky, addition to the neighborhood. Really like the big windows. Happy to see retail incorporated as it was not included in Aura on McKinney two blocks east. Fitzhugh needs an update and this will help a lot.

The base reminds me of the look of the power station 3 blocks north on Buena Vista which was converted to a home years ago. First look at drawings, I was disappointed to see Katy Trail access was eliminated, but reading the story, it’s just going to be moved slightly north. Condos!! We’ve got enough LUXURY apartments in the hood to last a while.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 15 Nov 2018 16:39

The arches do look out of scale with the site in my first look at it but I do like the train station inspiration. I do enjoy the plan to be a real connection to the trail with retail/office space while still providing for sale housing. Now the redo of the shopping center that housed BJs NXS and a few other small businesses looks like a steal.
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Postby dch526 » 16 Nov 2018 12:04

flyswatter wrote:Great! Will be interesting to see how much the HP side of the Trail complains about another "high rise" on the Dallas side. There's no official entrance there for the trail either so this would be a great add.


Don't think HP will have much to say on this one, Dallas is on both sides of the trail here for a couple of blocks.

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Postby flyswatter » 16 Nov 2018 12:35

Oops you're right, my bad. Forgot that it was closer to Turtle Creek over there.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 16 Nov 2018 18:06

Don't worry HP will still declare its an observation tower built to peer into their living rooms. The Park Cities are always the victims in most stories that involve them and the city of Dallas.
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Postby Warrior2015 » 16 Nov 2018 19:40

When is this going to start ?

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Postby Carousel » 16 Nov 2018 20:55

Fingers crossed this project becomes an entity of going concern - love it!

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Postby LongonBigD » 02 Jan 2019 15:17

This is a rendering of the remodel of the old strip center across Fitzhugh from The Terminal (south side of Fitzhugh between Cole and Travis). I found it a litte too late, as the center pretty much looks like this now. The center appears ready for interior finish out. The western-most space does appear poised to become a restaurant of some sort. Need to walk over and see if there are any permits in the window.
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Postby beepboopdtown » 13 May 2019 13:29

There is a big "Arriving" sign for The Terminal on the property now.

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Postby Matt777 » 13 May 2019 14:11

beepboopdtown wrote:There is a big "Arriving" sign for The Terminal on the property now.


Nice!! I always worry about the high quality developments like this getting killed before I see dirt turn.

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Postby dzh » 13 May 2019 21:16

Matt777 wrote:
beepboopdtown wrote:There is a big "Arriving" sign for The Terminal on the property now.


Nice!! I always worry about the high quality developments like this getting killed before I see dirt turn.



From what I understand they just got their approval! I couldn't be more happy for them. It's a great team there.

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Postby Dallas12 » 13 May 2019 21:56

All I can think of when I see the renderings of this is the scene in Tommy Boy, “Did you live under power lines as a kid?”

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Postby LongonBigD » 13 May 2019 22:23

Website up. https://www.theterminalatkatytrail.com/

More info and additional renderings.

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Postby jetnd87 » 14 May 2019 07:49

Very cool. I love how we're starting to see developments along largely ignored streets close to urban core (e.g. Oak Lawn, Fitzhugh).

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Postby Matt777 » 30 May 2019 14:54

The condos have hit the MLS averaging at just over $1000 per square foot. Is this a new record for condos in Dallas? I think Museum Towers listings are around $850/square foot right now.

The units look gorgeous and well thought out. Not bare like Museum Tower:
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandho ... 06?view=qv

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Postby LongonBigD » 30 May 2019 15:53

19 units starting at $2.5mm. You have to assume the starting price units are this with direct views of the power lines. This better be VERY swanky. The gold toned metals in the renderings must be gold plate!

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 31 May 2019 09:32

Yay more luxury housing. /s

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Postby Urbandreamer » 31 May 2019 11:43

I wonder if this will affect the Fitzhugh Westbound access to the trail. Allot of people enter/exit there.

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Postby DPatel304 » 31 May 2019 12:27

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Yay more luxury housing. /s


The price point is insane, but I'll take condos (even at that price) over more 'luxury' rentals. We definitely need more homeowners in the area, although, obviously, I'd prefer more moderately priced housing.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 31 May 2019 12:33

Urbandreamer wrote:I wonder if this will affect the Fitzhugh Westbound access to the trail. Allot of people enter/exit there.


My understanding is this will add a pass-through area so people can easily move back and forth. I know a lot of trail users like to go to that 7-Eleven so it was a logical need as part of the project.
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Postby Matt777 » 31 May 2019 15:34

Urbandreamer wrote:I wonder if this will affect the Fitzhugh Westbound access to the trail. Allot of people enter/exit there.


There's a giant pass through, the middle of the lower part of the building is hollow, meaning people can now walk from Buena Vista Street straight through to the trail, instead of scaling the dirt path that exists now.

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Postby LongonBigD » 25 Mar 2021 19:21

This is starting. Everything is fenced off and Buena Vista has been made a one-way street at this block. They have recently completed the Katy Trail improvements at this intersection (new pedestrian bridge over Fitzhugh and rubber trail added next to existing concrete trail). Trouble is, I can’t enter the Katy trail here for a couple of years now! Nice problem to have, I guess.
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Postby DPatel304 » 25 Mar 2021 20:19

Yes!!! Thanks for the update! Sorry to hear that you lost your entrance, but this will be such a huge improvement to this area.

I had pretty much given up on this project after having walked by it so many times and not seeing any movement.

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Postby LPG » 26 Mar 2021 08:52

LongonBigD wrote:This is starting. Everything is fenced off and Buena Vista has been made a one-way street at this block. They have recently completed the Katy Trail improvements at this intersection (new pedestrian bridge over Fitzhugh and rubber trail added next to existing concrete trail). Trouble is, I can’t enter the Katy trail here for a couple of years now! Nice problem to have, I guess.
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Anyone have any insight into what they may have pre-sold?

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Postby undefinedprocess » 26 Mar 2021 10:39

Good to see this going. Hopefully serves as a model to other potential developments in the future.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 Mar 2021 12:15

The city has been doing lots of utility work in the roadway for months here I so merely thought the developers were getting the utility work done before building out the building. I wonder if the pandemic would have helped or hurt depending on what phase of construction they could have been in if they started before now. Housing is in steep demand but would Condos still have that same attraction as the single-family homes that have 30+ offers or even the still in demand rental housing that took a park but is now building back up.
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Postby JDumont146 » 28 Mar 2021 19:11

The townhome/condo market is really hot right now as well from my personal experience. We have been shopping to buy a house/townhome for the last 6 months. Finally got an offer accepted on a great place in Lower Greenville. EVERY place we've looked at has gone on the market, gotten 5 or 6 offers within hours, then quickly gone off the market. I know that's partly just the state of the national economy right now, but it's definitely not limited to single family homes.

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Congratulations and welcome to the neighborhood! There are a few forumers over here, possibly enough to do a meetup sometime!

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Postby LongonBigD » 06 Apr 2021 17:55

Somebody was busy last week. The two-story, olive green building here was scraped.

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Interestingly I also noticed the information sign on the vacant lot directly across Fitzhugh from this site is the same developer. Is this stretch of wretchedness turning sooner than later?

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Postby LongonBigD » 06 Apr 2021 18:06

LPG wrote:Anyone have any insight into what they may have pre-sold?


According to their website, 5 units and the penthouse are sold. Website says 18 luxury units plus shops, food and office space. Arriving 2023. Pricing now starts at $3MM.

https://www.theterminalatkatytrail.com/

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Apr 2021 09:32

How affordable!

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Postby eburress » 07 Apr 2021 13:16

LongonBigD wrote:Interestingly I also noticed the information sign on the vacant lot directly across Fitzhugh from this site is the same developer. Is this stretch of wretchedness turning sooner than later?

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I hope they include that stinky building next door with whatever's coming. That turd needs to go.

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Postby LongonBigD » 15 May 2021 10:51

They torn down the old Pegasus bar across Buena Vista from this (NE corner of Fitzhugh and BV, west of 7-11) this week. I assume to clear a space for construction site office trailers. I am curious as to the future of this lot. It will be very small to develop afterwards. I don’t think there is room for even a drivethru snowcone stand. Maybe a future amenity for Terminal—pocket park, dog park, etc.

The new Katy Trail rubber path and pedestrian bridge are fenced off for this construction. I suppose we’ll see it re-imagined for the trail integration to this project.

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Postby LongonBigD » 13 Jul 2021 19:04

The transformation of Fitzhugh Ave continues.

From today’s DMN, this is the new plan for the former gay bar Zippers.

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“A neighborhood lounge named Clifton Club is expected to open by the end of 2021 on Fitzhugh Avenue in Dallas. It’s owned by Greg Katz, a Dallas restaurateur and chef who most recently opened the well-liked Beverley’s Bistro & Bar in 2019.

Clifton Club will be a mere 300 feet from Beverley’s, which means Katz is doubling down on a street that once was a bit of an afterthought, despite its proximity to Knox-Henderson, Uptown, downtown, East Dallas and the Park Cities.”

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A use for the glut of sanitizer becomes apparent.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Jul 2021 15:11

Sad to say the article reads like a dismissive of the gaybars that found the street home for decades. I don't think the author meant it that way cause I have read tons of her articles all over the DMN but it just rubbed me the wrong way. Gay bars are rapidly disappearing for a number of reasons we have debated on lots of threads on this forum so I don't want to stir that up more than I already have but it does feel like this corner has cleaned up but is pretty stale. The author kind of didn't help in how she presented this piece. I don't fault the owner of the businesses and not all businesses are meant to last forever for that matter but I wish the writer had done more to sound less like this section of Fitzhugh's history is forgettable. Who knows maybe the editor whittled it down to minimize length and I am just reading into it too much.
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Postby DalnHou » 14 Jul 2021 16:44

This was a great alternative to going to the strip on Cedar Springs. I used to live on Cambrick and on Buena Vista. There were five different bars within a 2 block radius. Crews Inn, which was hard to get into on Tuesday nights as it was so crowded, the Hideaway, great patio and piano bar, Zippers, anything goes, the Frat House and Pegasus and their respective locals. Down Fitzhugh was the 8th Day and further down the Trestle. Loved it, miss it.
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Postby LongonBigD » 16 Sep 2021 20:33

Crane going up today. The garage hole is either 3 or 4 stories deep I think.

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Postby Ersatz » 29 Sep 2021 13:36

Living that close to high voltage lines will be terminal from all the electromagnetic radiation from them. Embracing the worst feature outright is a smart move on this one. If you do research on who owned the condos at he Claridge adjacent to these same high voltage wires since 1980’s, the most resales, the most deaths and almost all were from cancer. Da da daah.

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Postby LongonBigD » 30 Oct 2022 20:54

Matt777 wrote: The Terminal Katy Trail project has topped out. I didn’t even know it had started construction much less topped out. Really cool project with condos above retail. I used to live down Buena Vista street, very desirable area.


According to the website (https://www.theterminalatkatytrail.com/) six of the 16 condos have already sold pre-completion (including the penthouse). This conflicts with other ultra-luxury condo sales pace around town. These start above $3MM. What makes this one different? Is it the limited number of units as compared to a high-rise tower? Is it the location steps from HP? Is it the sales team? Is this a positive indicator for the proposed MSD Capital hotel/condo tower up the street?
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Postby eburress » 30 Oct 2022 21:05

^ My guess is its location. I imagine other condo buildings of comparable quality would do well in this area.

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