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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 11 Mar 2020 10:17

Hannibal Lecter wrote:
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Four lanes back up more traffic during rush hour than three lanes with a center turn lane would.
Get stuck behind a DART bus on Matilda from Ross Avenue to Mockingbird and see if you still think that.


Try being stuck behind cars trying to turn on Throckmorton from one of the middle lanes on Cedar Springs Road during rush hour or while the bars are decently busy. It's called traffic if you don't want to be in it then get out of your car. We all get in frustrating traffic patterns but I would much prefer to trade a three-lane Cedar Springs Road with a center turn lane over the high speed dangerous 4 lane version we have now. I don't recommend bike lanes on Cedar Springs but would like to see better on-street parking arrangements and more corner bump-outs for pedestrian crossings.

The ones the city built are a victim of a few problems they narrow the intersection on Throckmorton but since cars are still racing down Cedar Springs and barreling around those corners there is a definite issue. Maybe if we had proceeded with the traffic slowing on Cedar Springs as well this incompatibility wouldn't be as much of an issue. They removed the bump-out this week on the Italia corner to give cars turning a bit more room to swing around those corners and now Hunky's has three on-street spots that are protected by a bump-out on Throckmorton to replace the taken away parking spots at the corner.

I understand why people don't want to trust the city I tend to swing conservative myself against government decision making but people have to realize their meddling is just as problematic here. The city proposed some real solutions and everyone said basically F*** you at all the proposals cause everyone is a traffic engineer including myself except apparently the people that work in the actual field and went to school for it...not to mention most business owners like those in any of these neighborhoods believe in myths about how they get consumer traffic. Most say give me a giant parking lot and a highspeed roadway and I'll make money.

I honestly would have liked to see a Better Block event here as the city did on Knox to demonstrate how traffic patterns could be modified and wouldn't bring the sky falling down as everyone seems to always proclaim. The problem is Oak Lawn is an active voice community who is always on the lookout for being the victim in any decision making for good reason. Oak Lawn also has an active voting block that politicians try to make happy on a constant basis so the people hired to create logical solutions are constantly undercut by emotional political interference. Instead, we get Frankenstein solutions that are children's band-aids rather than a cure.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 12 Mar 2020 11:46

Sadly because it is still all about the cars and where to park them. This should have been guided by pedestrian goals not traffic goals.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 12 Mar 2020 11:54

I always found the deliveries excuse funny because most of the businesses have adequate space in back or side street access for deliveries.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby j_d_p » 12 Mar 2020 14:06

The former Cedar Grove spaces looks closer to opening. Looks like a fresh coat of pain has been done inside as well as some additional dry wall work. Looks very nice.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Mar 2020 14:29

Cbdallas wrote:Sadly because it is still all about the cars and where to park them. This should have been guided by pedestrian goals not traffic goals.


That's because the design is grounded in fear by the local businesses not just the bars either. They are all afraid that if the city makes the street narrower or traffic gets backed up from construction they will all close. In an area that has been gay-oriented and cultured for decades many fear if things close we will lose the gaybourhood and it will become a boring average area to blend in with everything else in Dallas. Which is a real fear I can understand but final decision making was on that fear and not on solutions to that fear. Now we have an area that got band-aid fixes rather than solutions and a neighborhood still declining due to the encroaching neighboring development and the march of equality that has left the core LGBTQ leaders without followers cause many of my gay friends believe the gaybourhood is not needed anymore so why worry about it. Fear of losing power is a powerful motivator as well. I'll try to get off my soapbox for now. 8-)
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 24 Mar 2020 13:53

The office supply store on OL Ave is pretty much a goner.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Mar 2020 14:21

Well, we will either get a new apartment building underway in time for the end of the outbreak or a parking lot for the hotel next door until the economy recovers from almost a total stop.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Matt777 » 12 Jul 2020 23:58

Has anybody heard anything new about the Braniff hostess academy redevelopment at Wycliff and the DNT? I keep dreaming about a residential conversion (so I can live there) but last I heard it was going hotel and boutique office. Both of those real estate sectors are doing poorly, so I would think boutique residential might make more sense now due to COVID-19.

It doesn't look like anything has been done since some of the glass was removed a while back, which worries me with the building being exposed to the elements now.

I still think the current structure should be redeveloped as 727 Braniff Place, and a striking highrise built in the empty lot next to it called 747 Braniff Place. It should be easy to rename that part of Hartford Street since this property is the only one on it. "747 Braniff Place, the most exclusive address in the sky" has a nice ring to it for luxury condos or apartments, and the views would be fantastic overlooking all of Uptown and Downtown, as well as Love Field towards the back direction.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Zmitz » 13 Jul 2020 09:02

I think that idea is so clever and neat that there's no way they'll do something like that. If we're lucky maybe we'll get a donut. :lol:

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby OrangeMike » 05 Aug 2020 10:49

Pics from this morning.
Workers are digging out the parking at the old Office Depot site (2929 Oak Lawn).
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The windowless rear facade of the Melrose annex could be mistaken for the back side of an Office Depot.
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The Toll Brothers apartment tower at Welborn and Congress is a new looming presence on the skyline.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Aug 2020 17:44

Okay, I like this progress!

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby ContriveDallasite » 07 Aug 2020 00:43

Lot's going on in Oak Lawn, still waiting on a "complete streets" rework of Lemmon though...

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 07 Aug 2020 09:10

Driving down Lemmon is like a time tunnel back to the 1970's

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Aug 2020 09:42

ContriveDallasite wrote:Lot's going on in Oak Lawn, still waiting on a "complete streets" rework of Lemmon though...


I am not sure that makes sense for Lemmon it made more sense for Cedar Springs Rd but all the merchants fought that plan and I imagine any business on Lemmon would too.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 07 Aug 2020 12:26

I think we're more likely to see improvements made to Oak Lawn ave than Lemmon, especially now that we are seeing proposals for some high-rise. Perhaps if that trend continues along Oak Lawn (which I imagine it will), it might eventually spill over to other streets such as Lemmon.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Aug 2020 15:06

The problem is Oak Lawn Ave leads to the freeway so TXDOT is sure to want to keep Oak Lawn a speedway and get involved with any redos the city might want to do.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby tamtagon » 07 Aug 2020 17:10

I've always been fine with a (renamed) Lemmon Ave focused more high volumes of cars - even making it an ideal boulevard/expressway hybrid between Central and NW Highway. Something nice for a fancy sports car test drive, Love Field access and making all the other streets between Lemmon and Harry Hines cater to pedestrians.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby willyk » 12 Aug 2020 04:47

A simple sign ordinance on Lemmon would go a long way toward improving its appearance.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 12 Aug 2020 10:00

In case anyone hasn't driven down Lemmon Ave lately Mia's is open where Buzz Brews used to be and there is a demo fence around their old building and parking lot. I assume it will become a shared lot for valet parking but I have no idea if Mia's owned their previous building or was just a lease. That previously planned Central Market at Lemmon and Oak Lawn really would have recharged the area. Now it continues to just idle. Although there is some changes because the small office building next to Craddock Park at Lemmon and Hawthorne is in the middle of major redo. Its getting new tenants and a brand new total renovation including what looks like a impressive ground floor lobby.

Still no sign of the street lights project at Oak Lawn and Lemmon Ave. The Pizza Hut is still operating there.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby OrangeMike » 13 Aug 2020 14:55

New marker at Cedar Springs and Wycliff.

https://dallasvoice.com/oak-lawn-signs-installed/

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby LongonBigD » 13 Aug 2020 18:04

Didn’t know those were in the works. Looks good.

I guess they had more colors than letters and had to improvise, but I’m not used to Oaklawn being two words.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby OrangeMike » 13 Aug 2020 19:28

LongonBigD wrote:I’m not used to Oaklawn being two words.


It has always been two words, both the street (Oak Lawn Avenue) and the neighborhood.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby LongonBigD » 13 Aug 2020 23:19

I know the name from the racetrack in Hot Springs, AR. It still looks odd to me as two words.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Aug 2020 10:33

OrangeMike wrote:New marker at Cedar Springs and Wycliff.

https://dallasvoice.com/oak-lawn-signs-installed/


Had no idea this was being planned, but I love it! It's a shame it's right in front the blah looking Kroger though.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 14 Aug 2020 12:00

I could see the Kroger and B of A going away at some point.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 14 Aug 2020 16:59

Kroger won't leave their lot for a long time. This Kroger one of their most profitable stores in the company. Plus the city owns the entire parking along Cedar Springs Rd from Wycliff to the Library. Any redevelopment of the Kroger site would require the city to sell the land requiring public city meetings in some cases. Kroger tried to build a bigger store but the neighborhood wanted an urban store so Kroger canceled its plan to make any big changes to the store cause they would have had to convince the city to sell the land to them.
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