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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 11 Nov 2020 10:35

Seeing as how they are right off the heart of the strip, I really hope they do a good job of mixing in with the existing tenants.

“We plan to have a 70-foot waterfall coming down the side of the building.”


I wonder if it would be possible to add some lighting to make this rainbow colored, that would really go a long way, IMO.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 11 Nov 2020 11:03

This would be awesome and finally create a base to support more restaurants in the area and some retail. The strip is finally entering the new coming height phase of development from the urban core.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 11 Nov 2020 11:39

I like it and it seems to keep those older buildings safe from someone else tearing them down.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby tamtagon » 11 Nov 2020 12:11

The impending wave of development washing over Oak Lawn for at least the next generation hopefully will free the gayborhood from Caven's grasp. The LGBTQlmnop scene in Dallas should have a much larger footprint than a couple blocks. The concentration of clubs, bars and discotheques is great, historically significant, but guests shouldn't be able to walk the gamete in 15 minutes. From Maple to Lemmon and Wycliff to Turtle Creek Park, visitors should find half of the sidewalks dotted and lined with LGBTQlmnop friendly retail, performance venues, clubs, bars, restaurants, bar & grills, delis, bakeries, butchers, etc.... Open up the Crossroads, rezone targeted streets between the major thoroughfares and let the scene grow to what one would expect from a population center poised to take the number three spot from Chicago.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 11 Nov 2020 13:29

I think the biggest piece of news here is that Caven Enterprises actually sold some of their land. My understanding is that they have been a big part of why this area hasn't seen much developmeng lately and they have been very anti-development.

tamtagon wrote:The impending wave of development washing over Oak Lawn for at least the next generation hopefully will free the gayborhood from Caven's grasp. The LGBTQlmnop scene in Dallas should have a much larger footprint than a couple blocks. The concentration of clubs, bars and discotheques is great, historically significant, but guests shouldn't be able to walk the gamete in 15 minutes. From Maple to Lemmon and Wycliff to Turtle Creek Park, visitors should find half of the sidewalks dotted and lined with LGBTQlmnop friendly retail, performance venues, clubs, bars, restaurants, bar & grills, delis, bakeries, butchers, etc.... Open up the Crossroads, rezone targeted streets between the major thoroughfares and let the scene grow to what one would expect from a population center poised to take the number three spot from Chicago.


I agree the gayborhood should expand, however all the new restaurants along Maple make me unsure if that will be the trend going forward.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby R1070 » 11 Nov 2020 13:36

Gayborhoods are shrinking in most cities. We are lucky to still have a scene the size we do.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 11 Nov 2020 13:52

Sorry for double posting this development, I ended up finding some additional renderings and I felt like it warranted its own thread:
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby tamtagon » 11 Nov 2020 14:55

R1070 wrote:Gayborhoods are shrinking in most cities. We are lucky to still have a scene the size we do.


The boundaries are certainly getting blurred as perceptions have changed, but the scene in Dallas has never had the contiguous geographic coverage it should have.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby CTroyMathis » 18 Nov 2020 11:04

Matt777 wrote:Has anybody heard anything new about the Braniff hostess academy redevelopment at Wycliff and the DNT? I keep dreaming about a residential conversion (so I can live there) but last I heard it was going hotel and boutique office. Both of those real estate sectors are doing poorly, so I would think boutique residential might make more sense now due to COVID-19.


This one came back up today: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... hip-again/

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby kingpin » 11 Jan 2021 14:05

CTroyMathis wrote:
Matt777 wrote:Has anybody heard anything new about the Braniff hostess academy redevelopment at Wycliff and the DNT? I keep dreaming about a residential conversion (so I can live there) but last I heard it was going hotel and boutique office. Both of those real estate sectors are doing poorly, so I would think boutique residential might make more sense now due to COVID-19.


This one came back up today: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... hip-again/



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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby rono3849 » 11 Jan 2021 18:16

braniff.bldg.jpg


Hope something happens soon to this building. Frankly, it's an eyesore & looks like something you'd see in Newark or Detroit. How embarrassing for the city to see a decaying building in such a prominent location. If their deal falls through, this thing needs to be demolished.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby uptown74 » 20 Jan 2021 20:10

Has anyone noticed how bad the facade of the Centrum is looking?
That update has not aged well and it's only been a few years?! wow

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Cbdallas » 21 Jan 2021 09:45

It was pretty weak redo when it was done. I expected more for such a building. Maybe someday someone will buy it and really refresh it all the way.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Dallas Gypsy » 21 Jan 2021 18:37

uptown74 wrote:Has anyone noticed how bad the facade of the Centrum is looking?
That update has not aged well and it's only been a few years?! wow


Considering the cheap and incredibly badly built apartment complexes that have been built with their stucco and slapped together facades, I would think that a lot of these buildings will look like trash in a few years.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 Jan 2021 18:56

Dallas Gypsy wrote:Considering the cheap and incredibly badly built apartment complexes that have been built with their stucco and slapped together facades, I would think that a lot of these buildings will look like trash in a few years.


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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Jan 2021 10:16

Well according to someone close the Centrum the building it is pretty damn empty now. Supposedly Capitol Factory vacated and many other tenants have evaporated as well. Not because of the building itself but just COVID hasn't done well to this building. They are offering move in incentives to get any new tenants in cause its so empty. I haven't walked the hallways myself but its what someone else who has been inside has told me.

I would welcome corrections to this info as well. The Capitol Factory website doesn't list locations but I only found one mention of Dallas on their website for a event in DFW. Majority of the site is about Austin. I believe Capitol Factory took over management of the Dallas Entrepreneurial Center down in West End as well.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby OrangeMike » 23 Jan 2021 11:43

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well according to someone close the Centrum the building it is pretty damn empty now. Supposedly Capitol Factory vacated and many other tenants have evaporated as well. Not because of the building itself but just COVID hasn't done well to this building. They are offering move in incentives to get any new tenants in cause its so empty. I haven't walked the hallways myself but its what someone else who has been inside has told me.

I would welcome corrections to this info as well. The Capitol Factory website doesn't list locations but I only found one mention of Dallas on their website for a event in DFW. Majority of the site is about Austin. I believe Capitol Factory took over management of the Dallas Entrepreneurial Center down in West End as well.


Supporting what you were told, Loopnet shows 18 spaces, about 40% of the building (159,414 sf available/400,372 sf total), available for lease.

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/3102-Oa ... X/8416356/

ETA: More corroboration for your info. Found this about Capital Factory: Closed the Dallas space in November.
https://dallasinnovates.com/capital-fac ... -chambers/

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby DPatel304 » 23 Jan 2021 13:53

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well according to someone close the Centrum the building it is pretty damn empty now. Supposedly Capitol Factory vacated and many other tenants have evaporated as well. Not because of the building itself but just COVID hasn't done well to this building. They are offering move in incentives to get any new tenants in cause its so empty. I haven't walked the hallways myself but its what someone else who has been inside has told me.

I would welcome corrections to this info as well. The Capitol Factory website doesn't list locations but I only found one mention of Dallas on their website for a event in DFW. Majority of the site is about Austin. I believe Capitol Factory took over management of the Dallas Entrepreneurial Center down in West End as well.


Yep, the building is looking pretty vacant these days. Mudsmith and Pints & Quarters vacated sometime ago and Mille Lire shut down during COVID. As far as restaurants go, I think only Steel and Mattito's are left.

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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 23 Jan 2021 16:15

^The two that have been there for a long time already who have long standing customer bases. Those newer places were nice attempts at creating more ground floor interaction but they were implemented on a dead street with no pedestrian action already and even new street level parking spots could not save them. Facing Oak Lawn where there is existing visibility and people looking for places to eat sure but on the back side they had almost no chance. Even Mille Lire with no patio on Cedar Springs wasn't a workable option.

Union coffee shop has a walk up window across the street and people still seem to be in love with their approach to a coffee shop despite not having a place to sit inside due to Covid.
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Re: Oak Lawn

Postby OrangeMike » 23 Jan 2021 22:48

uptown74 wrote:Has anyone noticed how bad the facade of the Centrum is looking?
That update has not aged well and it's only been a few years?! wow


Cbdallas wrote:It was pretty weak redo when it was done. I expected more for such a building. Maybe someday someone will buy it and really refresh it all the way.


The original was a crazy, spectacular, angular 1980s post-modernish thing. The new owners that “updated“ seem not to have understood what they purchased. Many parts might have been better off left alone, imo. Personally, I miss the cello sculpture along the steps down to the fountain that isn’t there anymore.

Just before I saw your posts I rediscovered a snapshot I took on a walk around the neighborhood in 2014: The original Centrum façade is intact, minus the canvas canopies, and Mattito’s had built a prototype patio fence out of pallet wood.
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