tamtagon wrote:...extending a conversation from the Oak Lawn thread, do any of these new deals in Bishop Arts/Oak Cliff include a gay bar? Actually, have the blue laws been scraped away enough to allow bars?
What is a private club?
The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission (TABC) states a private club cannot be owned by anyone. Members control the entity. Barbara’s Pavillion owners bought the assets of the bar, such as equipment, furniture, the point of sale (POS) system, and an opportunity to take over a pre-existing cash flow.
The club itself is a non-profit entity. It cannot make a profit. Nor does it have the manpower to serve drinks. The club hires the owners’ for-profit business to manage the alcoholic beverage service for its members. In exchange for providing this service, the club pays the owners of this ‘management company’ a share of the service fees collected from members.
What does it mean to be a member of an Oak Cliff private club?
When a member buys a drink, the charge is not for the liquor, beer or wine in the glass. All club members jointly own the inventory of alcohol. They are paying a charge for the set up and service of the drink.
lakewoodhobo wrote:I get a headache just trying to understand how a bar can operate in Oak Cliff, but this blog does a good job of explaining some of it. Short answer: in the case Barbara's Pavillion, the "bar" is actually a non-profit private club.
DPatel304 wrote:lakewoodhobo wrote:I get a headache just trying to understand how a bar can operate in Oak Cliff....
...I don't think putting more bars in Oak Cliff really makes sense, there's too many single family homes here. I like the current mix of retail/restaurants, and would rather see more shops and restaurants, rather than late night spots.
lakewoodhobo wrote:tamtagon wrote:...extending a conversation from the Oak Lawn thread, do any of these new deals in Bishop Arts/Oak Cliff include a gay bar? Actually, have the blue laws been scraped away enough to allow bars?
I get a headache just trying to understand how a bar can operate in Oak Cliff, but this blog does a good job of explaining some of it. Short answer: in the case Barbara's Pavillion, the "bar" is actually a non-profit private club.What is a private club?
The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission (TABC) states a private club cannot be owned by anyone. Members control the entity. Barbara’s Pavillion owners bought the assets of the bar, such as equipment, furniture, the point of sale (POS) system, and an opportunity to take over a pre-existing cash flow.
The club itself is a non-profit entity. It cannot make a profit. Nor does it have the manpower to serve drinks. The club hires the owners’ for-profit business to manage the alcoholic beverage service for its members. In exchange for providing this service, the club pays the owners of this ‘management company’ a share of the service fees collected from members.
What does it mean to be a member of an Oak Cliff private club?
When a member buys a drink, the charge is not for the liquor, beer or wine in the glass. All club members jointly own the inventory of alcohol. They are paying a charge for the set up and service of the drink.
You can read the rest of it here: http://digpro.qsigroup.com/2017/07/oak- ... vate-club/
The team behind DFW’s Free Play Arcade is going to open a pinball bar in a new development / rehab in Dallas proper. The facility will have 40+ pinball machines, 8-12 select arcades, and an insanely good bar. The bar concept is straight out of Uptown New Orleans – with cold beer, cheap shots, and great service. The bar will be ages 21-and-up for ~95% of its open hours and charge no cover. The game concept is about celebrating the best pinball machines of all time while exploring the various pinball generations. We will combine Free Play’s industry leading technical knowledge, proprietary technology, and legendary service to build the greatest pinball bar ever. The concept will be entirely unique of Free Play and will operate on coin play rather than a free-to-play model with a cover.
DPatel304 wrote:I'm not big on pinball machines, but I'm glad they are moving to more urban areas. In addition to this upcoming Oak Cliff location, they are also planning to open a location in Denton which seems like a great fit:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/free ... f-10341380
Hyden says the company put down money on a lease for a space in the Jefferson Bishop development near the Texas Theatre and the recently revived Top Ten Records, but it'll have to undergo a lengthy and complicated permitting process before the bar can open.
Oak Cliff construction boom bringing hundreds of new apartments to Bishop Arts
Written by Steve Brown
.... "We looked at 1920s buildings around Dallas and Fort Worth," Blackwell said. "These were the sorts of buildings being built in commercial scenarios around the country. That's where the inspiration comes from."
... a neighboring block H-E-B which plans to build a Central Market on the site.
...Crescent's Novel Bishop Arts 302 luxury apartments ~24,000 square feet of retail minimum of five restaurants — probably six to eight,"
...across Zang Alamo Manhattan 220 rental units 20,000 square feet of shopping five- and six-story buildings face Bishop Arts streetcar station.
Exxir Capital recently filed permits with the city to build 246 apartments between Davis and Jefferson Boulevard.
Urban Genesis is building about six dozen units in four-story buildings.
lakewoodhobo wrote:Great news! I wonder if they signed a lease at one of these spaces they've been working on next to Top Ten Records.
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cowboyeagle05 wrote:lakewoodhobo wrote:Great news! I wonder if they signed a lease at one of these spaces they've been working on next to Top Ten Records.
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Sadly that redesign looks a little whitewashed to me. The thing I don't look forward to is the overly sterilizing of the neighborhood and this architecture treatment seems to be part of the sad reality of improving areas. We can pretend we want to preserve some of the culture that has blossomed down there but the sad truth is it will all get wiped away for small local breweries, boutique hipster hair salons/bars etc with sometimes largely bland white/grey facades that would appeal to a specific culture found across the river.
CultureMap first reported the news of the bar, though they mistakenly called it Slam Tilt, the name of the holding company that permits were filed for.
"Nine months ago we decided we were going to try to open a pinball bar in Dallas, because we thought Dallas was right for that," says Corey Hyden, president of Free Play, Inc. "We tentatively called it the Dallas pinball project, and that's what kind of stuck with us. So the actual name of the place is the Dallas Pinball Project." He says that he and his partners went through "probably 150" different names and worked with different designers before settling on the name.
lakewoodhobo wrote:More Apartments Are Headed to Bishop Arts
Five stories of apartments, 20 townhomes, and ground-floor retail, to be more precise.
https://www.dmagazine.com/commercial-re ... shop-arts/
West Davis Street near North Oak Cliff Boulevard, according to the very vague story.
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DPatel304 wrote:Yeah, pretty far out from Bishop Arts, but seems like a decent develop either way, and I'm actually happy to see development occur outside of the immediate bishop arts area. I really think this is one of the few areas that could become very bike friendly in the near future. The area is dense, but there are no high-rises in the area, and most of the roads seem rather tame by DFWs standards (at least that's what I perceive, I haven't personally biked in the area).
It also helps that it has little pockets of retail scattered throughout the area. Right now, most of the activity is in the Bishop Arts District, but that's already spreading down to Jefferson. You have a couple establishments where Spiral bakery is, which is within biking distance, and soon the upcoming Deck Park will make biking to the Zoo a possibility. I'm hoping we continue to see development occur all over Oak Cliff and not just near Bishop Arts, as that might give people reason to bike around the area.
exelone31 wrote:That's a great point, and it sounds like the scale of this development should be more in line with what the neighborhood is expecting (5 stories with ground floor retail, I believe).
There really are quite a few spots within biking distance, from Trinity Groves down to Jefferson. The deck park should make a big splash too.
lakewoodhobo wrote:I think 5 stories might be ok for this part of Davis street, but a few blocks east near Tyler – where Davis Street Market is/was planned – 5 stories would definitely threaten the character of the neighborhood.
DPatel304 wrote:Yeah, I'm loving the scale of this. I'm just afraid all of these little developments will be too car-friendly. The apartments with ground floor retail sound promising, but it's not very appealing when you have surface parking in front of it. That's also my problem with the Sylvan Thirty development which is another bike-able destination, but the actual development itself is a bit too car friendly. They make a half-ass effort at being pedestrian friendly, but it's the type of place you'd probably drive to rather than bike to.
tanzoak wrote:Ahh, my old friend "character of the neighborhood." We must protect/subsidize/trap in amber low-rise/low-density neighborhoods! Dallas still has plenty of places to grow, but embedding that kind of thinking in how people think about land use causes real problems down the line when the city becomes "built out."
I get why NIMBYs nimby. I can understand why people don't want *their* neighborhood to change. I don't get nimbying from afar. The city has an overwhelming abundance of low-density neighborhoods for people who want to live that lifestyle, and it's not going to run out any time soon. What the city doesn't have much of, on the other hand, is walkable/bikeable/"urban village" neighborhoods, and we should be trying to grow the seedlings of the few we do have.
For all the talk about Bishop Arts, it's a tiny place. MOAR BISHOP ARTZ.
tanzoak wrote:Ahh, my old friend "character of the neighborhood." We must protect/subsidize/trap in amber low-rise/low-density neighborhoods! Dallas still has plenty of places to grow, but embedding that kind of thinking in how people think about land use causes real problems down the line when the city becomes "built out."
lakewoodhobo wrote:tanzoak wrote:Ahh, my old friend "character of the neighborhood." We must protect/subsidize/trap in amber low-rise/low-density neighborhoods! Dallas still has plenty of places to grow, but embedding that kind of thinking in how people think about land use causes real problems down the line when the city becomes "built out."
Character matters. Coincidentally I just found this article from 1981 reporting that then-new owners of the Wilson Building wanted to tear it down. It should've been replaced by a 50-story glass/steel box because density, right?
Can you imagine what a turd downtown would be without its very few historic buildings?
tanzoak wrote:As a side note, the Wilson is actually quite dense! At 5 FAR and 200 units/acre, that's the same as SkyHouse Dallas. That's what no set-backs, no step-backs, and a moderate amount of parking will get you.
tanzoak wrote:We're not talking about historic buildings downtown. We're talking about random single-family neighborhoods that look like this:
The corner of Davis Street and Zang Boulevard is ground zero for the transformation of north Oak Cliff.
Construction cranes tower over the busy intersection south of downtown Dallas, where workers are putting up three apartment and retail buildings. The developments surround the stop for the Oak Cliff streetcar, which connects with downtown.
The first of hundreds of new residents will start moving into the projects this summer.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:tanzoak wrote:As a side note, the Wilson is actually quite dense! At 5 FAR and 200 units/acre, that's the same as SkyHouse Dallas. That's what no set-backs, no step-backs, and a moderate amount of parking will get you.
How does the typical Dallas Development compare the the Wilson in terms of density? What's the difference in parking ratio?
lakewoodhobo wrote:tanzoak wrote:We're not talking about historic buildings downtown. We're talking about random single-family neighborhoods that look like this:
Gotcha. What I was actually talking about are the 1- and 2-story commercial buildings along Davis like the TyPo campus. If you replaced those with something like Douglas Court on Lemmon (underground parking, mixed-use) the unintended consequence could be that it discourages walking along Davis. Douglas Court is similar to what was proposed for Davis Street Market minus the apartments above.
Ain't no Porsches in that picture.Tivo_Kenevil wrote:That Porsche tho..
Hannibal Lecter wrote:Ain't no Porsches in that picture.Tivo_Kenevil wrote:That Porsche tho..
lakewoodhobo wrote:The next battle in the Bishop Arts gentrification saga comes as an update to this story from March 2017: https://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2017/0 ... ent-block/
Minnesota-based Oaks Properties had no plans for the 11 buildings they purchased, which are some of the nicest residential properties immediately surrounding the district.
CPC agenda for this week (pg 19) shows that all of these buildings are to be demolished.
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cowboyeagle05 wrote:I hope its townhomes. I fear its more apartments and I have been very supportive of the growth of rental units in this area but the land they have seems like it would be better used as rows of townhomes on both sides.
"Everything is in place and it breaks ground next week," said developer Michael Nazerian. "It's been over a decade in the making and we are very proud of it."
The construction will include 246 apartments on a public plaza with 12,000 square feet of retail.
Most of the new buildings will be between two and four floors. Two-story arched entryways to the development will face the street.
The project will have more than 500 spaces of public parking.
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