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tamtagon wrote:Most of my piers, those drawn to a life of creating art or music, maintain the desire of at least amateur enthusiasts

xen0blue wrote:

tamtagon wrote:Most of my piers, those drawn to a life of creating art or music, maintain the desire of at least amateur enthusiasts

Piers? Do you own a marina or something?

lakewoodhobo wrote:I'll be angry if we get another crap CVS in this corner but TBH it's our own fault for not protecting this building in the first place. Talk about dropping the ball when someone drew the TIF boundary and then the demolition delay overlay and did not include this building, which certainly is historic.

Bishop Arts as we know it is changing, not because they are tearing things down but because our idea of what Bishop Arts is keeps changing. Let's be clear that neither El Chico/Tejano/Corazon or Sonic or Long John Silver/BEE/Zoli were ever part of the Bishop Arts District, which is in fact protected.

tamtagon wrote:Sure seems to be happening fast. Even as Bishop Arts - Downtown Oak Cliff has received a glowingly positive reputation as a refreshing side of Dallas, it had remained off the radar for the bulk of North Texans. Not so much anymore, just in, what - two years?

The Oak Cliff Land Rush: Is it about to become another Uptown?
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/ ... xt-uptown/

Griggs wrote that the property was zoned for retail, wasn't in any of the Bishop Arts-related planned development districts, is not subject to the city's recently enacted demolition delay, and that a "CVS associated company" has filed to replat the eatery's small block bound by Davis, Zang, North Beckley Avenue and West Seventh Street. That company is Alabama-based Orange Development, which, in 2015, tussled with the City Plan Commission over plans to plant a CVS at Singleton Boulevard and Sylvan Avenue ... and ultimately won.

Griggs made it clear this last bit greatly displeased him: "I am opposed to a standard construction CVS ... that will damage the character of our neighborhood at this location," he wrote. "While you can never legislate building and use, I don't know why CVS couldn't adaptively re-use the building as a CVS."

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ericthegardener wrote:Couple of questions about this development. The small lot that is adjacent and just to the west of this building, is that part of the same development? Is it going to be a parking lot? Hope not. Also, what is the hold-up on the larger part of this development? Still the hotel thing? Everyone else's projects seem to be in high gear. It seems to me that Nazerian was the first one to announce, but has been a little slow to get moving.

joshua.dodd wrote:Are they planning on any expansions of the trolley line?

ericthegardener wrote:

lakewoodhobo wrote:15578846_10208355297946267_1900562510558961826_n.jpg

Couple of questions about this development. The small lot that is adjacent and just to the west of this building, is that part of the same development? Is it going to be a parking lot? Hope not. Also, what is the hold-up on the larger part of this development? Still the hotel thing? Everyone else's projects seem to be in high gear. It seems to me that Nazerian was the first one to announce, but has been a little slow to get moving.

Dettmann1 wrote:I read somewhere recently that the opening of the courtyard near the Nazerian development was a sign of imminent construction on the site, but then again they have been using the property as a staging area for infrastructure improvements along Zang and Melba/Bishop.

worldwoh wrote:FWIW, I was in El Corazon this weekend and was informed that, sadly, the rumors are true: a deal with CVS was inked late last week and Sunday April 30th will be the restaurant's last day open.

lakewoodhobo wrote:

worldwoh wrote:FWIW, I was in El Corazon this weekend and was informed that, sadly, the rumors are true: a deal with CVS was inked late last week and Sunday April 30th will be the restaurant's last day open.

I bet they're in a massive hurry to tear it down, too. There's a Landmark Commission meeting on May 1 at 1pm with this being an item on the agenda.

Tnexster wrote:I'm surprised this isn't getting the OC community in a massive uproar.

Tnexster wrote:I'm surprised this isn't getting the OC community in a massive uproar.

Cbdallas wrote:Remember the same thing happened with the CVS at McKinney and Lemmon where they tore down the Loon and now we have a parking lot and CVS where a 35 story high rise should be. Not sure what can be done about this and the worst part is that CVS and Walgreens tend to have very long term leases or worse purshase the land so it locks it in for the long haul. All of these drugstores should be at the bottom floor of a denser mixed use development but what do you do.

Cbdallas wrote: All of these drugstores should be at the bottom floor of a denser mixed use development but what do you do.

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So was El Corazón destroyed this weekend?

ericthegardener wrote:

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:So was El Corazón destroyed this weekend?

Yesterday was their last day of business. Probably come down sometime this week.

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Maybe it is saved or at least delayed.

cowboyeagle05 wrote: You can't put all of Oak Cliff in the Gateway District and major arteries like Davis, Zang and Beckley are natural man-made boundaries for saying we are stopping here.

ericthegardener wrote:

cowboyeagle05 wrote: You can't put all of Oak Cliff in the Gateway District and major arteries like Davis, Zang and Beckley are natural man-made boundaries for saying we are stopping here.

Yes, Beckley would have been a great man made boundary which would have included the property in question.

But Price has agreed to work with a task force of preservationists, real estate developers and Oak Cliff residents to work out the following points, taken verbatim from Griggs’ post on the matter:

1. Bring CVS to the table.

2. Confirm that the building must be razed. Mr. Price insists this is true.

3. If the building must be destroyed, work on a new design that addresses issues of form and architecture. Mr. Price insists the proposed location of the building cannot be moved.

ericthegardener wrote:Couple of questions about this development. The small lot that is adjacent and just to the west of this building, is that part of the same development? Is it going to be a parking lot? Hope not.

It's Demolition Day for El Corazon de Tejas

man or pacman wrote:So according to the article there is a new for sale sign up on the property. So if the sale didn't go through, the Cuellars (current owners of the building) are the ones that ordered the demolition. They destroyed their own legacy to spite the neighborhood and avoid further historic protections for the sake of greater profits. That sucks.