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Postby itsjrd1964 » 27 Aug 2018 18:43

A Target is set to open in Preston Center Pavilion (the ex-Sanger Harris/ex-Foley's store space) in a former Ross store. It will be 30% the size of a SuperTarget. The DMN is reporting that signage has already gone up outside the building. The Target will open in October.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... ll-opening

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 27 Aug 2018 21:37

Wow that is a fast turnaround, have then been working on that for a while? Maybe we will see one of these downtown before too long.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby uptown74 » 28 Aug 2018 22:03

I was hoping one of these urban Targets would open in the Centrum building on Oaklawn (as rumored) , but it never happened..

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Aug 2018 22:54

Oak Cliff desperately needs an urban Target.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Aug 2018 09:09

The demo isn't in Oak Cliff for an Urban Target as much as my friends who have moved there want it to be. My friends keep complaining about a lack of the stores they want down there but I ask them to look at where they are and the price they are paying to live there. If you are going to be an urban pioneer you have to expect to hunt down your buffalo a little further than the white flight Plano suburbs which have a dry good store on every corner.
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Re: Preston Center

Postby lakewoodhobo » 29 Aug 2018 09:48

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Oak Cliff desperately needs an urban Target.


Oak Cliff (north of Red Bird) needs a Target for sure, I just don't see where the numbers would work for an urban concept.

A traditional Target store makes sense for the Canyon development, where I think the demographics would support it today. Several years down the road I could see Wynnewood making sense too... it's way more desirable now than Cityplace was in 1993 when Target opened there.

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Postby tamtagon » 29 Aug 2018 09:51

...or look more closely at what's already available in the neighborhood and see if the shopping list needs modification to break the habits and learned behavior also considered as that uber-convenient, on-demand suburban shopping expectation. haha doesn't seem like, really, but I am agreeing with cowboy, some of those folks wanting an Urban Target in Oak Cliff just need to look closer.

Buying stuff that's is not exactly what you know you can get at Target or Container Store or wherever but stuff is is pretty close is not settling for second best, it's supporting the stores that make the neighborhood desirable --- not like the cookie cutter suburbs. A thorough inventory of greater neighborhood stores' inventory could be a big surprise.

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Postby NdoorTX » 06 Sep 2018 17:20

Saint Michael church teams up with developers for new mixed-use project in North Dallas
Steve Brown, Real Estate Editor

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-The last large vacant development site in North Dallas' exclusive Preston Center district is being planned for a major mixed-use development.
Saint Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church has owned the almost 4-acre block at Douglas Avenue and Frederick Square for more than a decade.

-Now the church — which has been in Preston Center since 1948 — is teaming up with Dallas developer Lincoln Property Co. to build residential and commercial buildings as part of an expansion of the church's campus.

-The new proposal for the prime North Dallas tract includes an 8-story office building, restaurant space and a "public green space" on Douglas Avenue.
A 12-story residential building would be constructed on the west side of the property. Office towers which adjoin the church development site are 19 and 20 floors. And a residential condominium next door is 10 stories.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... rth-dallas

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Sep 2018 17:26

Why are churches making developments?

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Warrior2015 » 06 Sep 2018 17:28

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Why are churches making developments?

They're doing that in Downtown Austin as well

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Postby I45Tex » 06 Sep 2018 19:34

It's a lot to do with cost of construction, I think? The article mentions the congregation's campus expansion. Rich suburbs of Boston now offer to give developers prime property with old city buildings on it in exchange for building them new municipal facilities just because adequate new facilities have gotten so prohibitive in the current tax environment. The federal GSA was even forced for awhile to start talking about doing that with one of the largest public buildings between the National Gallery of Art and the national capitol, which was unbelievable to me: https://www.gsa.gov/node/79728

I guess it has been found (in rare neighborhoods like downtown Austin / Preston Center) to make less sense for churches to sell off surplus holdings on the open market and reinvest the proceeds in ministry/property than to actually use those holdings as a bargaining chip with developers before they'll even let developers get a toehold there in the first place.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby tanzoak » 06 Sep 2018 23:48

While I'm happy to have construction go in there, it's lame that it'll be shorter than the surrounding buildings.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby The_Overdog » 07 Sep 2018 08:52

Why are churches making developments?


It's actually pretty common. There are probably close to half-dozen church funded/property swap developments in Plano/Frisco/Richardson/Allen.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2018 08:57

Plus churches are special they can do no wrong so there tend to be ways they can skirt a lot of taxes aka cost and churches in North Texas particularly are profit driven which I assume is because God deems it so...
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Re: Preston Center

Postby muncien » 07 Sep 2018 10:14

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Plus churches are special they can do no wrong so there tend to be ways they can skirt a lot of taxes aka cost and churches in North Texas particularly are profit driven which I assume is because God deems it so...


They can also work with developer to ensure that whatever is built doesn't have excessive glare shining into the pulpit, serve alcohol until late hours, etc. Actually, it sounds like a very responsible approach, IMO.
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Re: Preston Center

Postby itsjrd1964 » 17 Oct 2018 04:57

Article about the new smaller-format Target at Preston Center.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/ret ... mall-store

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 12 Nov 2018 08:48

We can free Preston Center from the 1960s

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... nter-1960s

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Re: Preston Center

Postby itsjrd1964 » 07 Jan 2019 21:03

D looks at 3 issues concerning those around the Preston Center area.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... on-center/

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Re: Preston Center

Postby DPatel304 » 04 Feb 2019 20:40

Dallas wants to plant a park over Preston Center's garage. The owners want 300 apartments
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... apartments

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Postby NdoorTX » 06 Jun 2019 23:09

City Plan Commission Brings Surprisingly High Ending To Pink Wall’s Two-Year PD-15 Saga
by Jon Anderson


https://candysdirt.com/2019/06/06/city- ... d-15-saga/

So Preston Center/ Hollow area might get a new tall tower along NW Hwy? Sounds exciting...

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Jun 2019 08:06

Not gonna lie... What a surprise.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Dmkflyer » 07 Jun 2019 11:25

DPatel304 wrote:Dallas wants to plant a park over Preston Center's garage. The owners want 300 apartments
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... apartments



I am not understanding why this can't be BOTH. Street-level park with underground parking and a residential tower (maybe even with some retail) taking up a portion (which could be smaller at the ground with height). I don't understand why this is not obvious--- there has to be something I'm missing. Even in that rendering in the article, just sinking the garage to make the park at ground-level could work.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Dmkflyer » 07 Jun 2019 11:25

The behind the Pink Wall development is a pleasant surprise!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Jun 2019 13:08

I am telling you the neighborhood is afraid of a true park in Preston Center cause if successfully built at ground level even with a residential tower perched on one corner they could see a traffic increase relative to the success of Klyde Warren Park. A true ground level park could attract people from a wider market and while that seems like a good thing for the surrounding businesses I've seen some people in areas like Preston Center fear the outside non-neighborhood customer.
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Postby Tnexster » 09 Aug 2019 21:40

In Preston Center, a stalemate over a parking garage Dallas owns and property owners control

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... rs-control

The surrounding property owners control the garage. That's because of a legally binding 2012 negotiated agreement, reached after many years in court, that says the property owners, as the Preston Center West Parking Corp., control the garage's destiny — and only with the owners' unanimous consent.

And the property owners all agree on what they want: a 300-unit apartment tower and park and restaurant on top of a parking garage built to hold more than 2,000 cars. The plan also calls for two smaller pocket parks. But moms and dads with kids and dogs would have to take an elevator to reach the actual park — a "vertical transportation system," in the words of property owner Robert Dozier, who first pitched this plan in January.


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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 10 Aug 2019 10:15

I want to place this quote here because it won't be last time we hear this from various neighborhoods...

https://candysdirt.com/2019/08/08/pd-15-meeting-produced-packed-house-but-same-gripes/

If I could sum up the bizarre and illogical nature of the PD-15 opposition to development, it would be when the Athena’s Barbara Dewberry stood up and (again) shouted that the neighborhood doesn’t want green space that will attract outsiders. Making it more worthy of eye-rolling were those who clapped in support (although a few seated in the back of me said they welcomed green space in PD-15’s concrete jungle).


Some people look at successful urban parks in established areas as an invasion, not as an amenity or property value add.
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Re: Preston Center

Postby tamtagon » 10 Aug 2019 10:58

If the park was intended to be nestled within the fine homes of the residential neighborhood, I would agree unequivocally, but this is a commercial center, that could become one of the most exclusive in the South Central US, so it needs the amenities that have a similar level of appeal. The NIMBY spirit here has become so twisted and blind and irreverent I have a hard time believing those holding fast to a position like that are any more informed than a pothole.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 10 Aug 2019 13:05

TRAFFIC TRAFFIC TRAFFIC!!!! The sky is falling!!!
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Re: Preston Center

Postby dallaz » 31 Mar 2020 16:52

Two high-rise projects eyed for Preston Center block

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ter-block/

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Postby NdoorTX » 11 Jun 2020 22:50

And here are some renderings. I think it fits the area well- staid and refined. Not an architectural breakthrough, but perfect for Preston Center.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby eburress » 12 Jun 2020 08:51

Oooh, I like those! Cute!

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Re: Preston Center

Postby R1070 » 12 Jun 2020 10:22

Looks good.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 12 Jun 2020 11:13

Looks very nice, wonder if the surrounding hoods will object?

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 12 Jun 2020 12:21

Prepare for the incoming onslaught of Pitchforks

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Re: Preston Center

Postby dd_dweller » 12 Jun 2020 12:42

I’m very doubtful on this happening. The surrounding neighborhood has fought every proposed development. This does look like a nice addition though.

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Postby Tnexster » 14 Jun 2020 16:19

Does it fall within existing zoning requirements? I don't know the height of the towers and if a variance would be required.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 14 Jun 2020 17:00

Tnexster wrote:Does it fall within existing zoning requirements? I don't know the height of the towers and if a variance would be required.

Yes, they can. The developer also wants to sink the garage and put a green area to connect the shopping area. But the fancy neighborhood doesn't want to attract "outsiders" - their words not mine.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 16 Jun 2020 11:06

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Does it fall within existing zoning requirements? I don't know the height of the towers and if a variance would be required.

Yes, they can. The developer also wants to sink the garage and put a green area to connect the shopping area. But the fancy neighborhood doesn't want to attract "outsiders" - their words not mine.


Yes they can what? Question was if this falls within zoning requirements.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 16 Jun 2020 11:06

Local developer talks hotel-condo project in Preston Center (Renderings)

https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... g/469270/1

Rosebriar owns the northern plot where Hopdoddy Burger Bar is located, and is looking to build a 23-story hotel-condo tower there, according to retired CEO Bill Hanks. The hotel could have as many as 240 rooms, along with 90 condos and ground-floor retail.


Just south of the proposed hotel-condo project, 8215 Westchester Drive, which is owned by Burk Interests, is slated to become a 27-story, 255-unit apartment complex, according to a report from the Dallas Morning News.

Hanks said the projects are not a joint venture between Rosebriar and Burk, but rather a joint zoning effort. Both projects are expected to appear before Dallas's City Plan Commission in July, and if they pass, could go before City Council for final approval in August.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 17 Jun 2020 10:26

I'll never forgive the neighborhood for killing the park project cause they are so afraid it will become a destination for a wider audience. I don't live there and never will anyway so I'll just move on.
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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tnexster » 17 Jun 2020 11:57

It's too bad if they do manage to kill off this one too, lots of potential for Preston Center but then I guess potential is a bad thing if you live around it and don't want outsiders around. Have to see what council approves.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby dallaz » 23 Nov 2020 10:01

New office and residential tower are on the way in North Dallas’ Preston Center

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... on-center/


A North Dallas office tower and an apartment high-rise in the works could start construction early next year.

Developer Lincoln Property Co. is planning the 13-story office tower and 15-story residential high-rise in the Preston Center district on Douglas Avenue.

The 630,000-square-foot office tower would be constructed on the east side of the Dallas North Tollway. A 220,000 square-foot residential high-rise would be built next door.

The mixed-use project was approved earlier this year for the almost 4-acre site owned by the Saint Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church.

Along with the office and residential towers, the project would include new facilities for the church.

Dallas architect HKS designed the development.

Lincoln Property’s $125 million office tower and residential building would start construction in early 2021, according to filings with the state.

The buildings will take about two years to construct.

The buildings would be the largest addition to Preston Center in more than a decade. It’s an area with few development sites and zoning restrictions.

Lincoln Property is one of Dallas’ most experienced office builders. The developer’s recent projects include the 1900 Pearl tower in downtown Dallas and an office tower in the works for the Dallas Cowboys’ Star in Frisco development.

More than 5 million square feet of office buildings are currently under construction in North Texas.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby rono3849 » 23 Nov 2020 17:53

preston.center.buildings.jpg


Is this in Dallas or University Park? I'm sure the NIMBY's will be out there with their torches & pitchforks to stop this in its tracks. Frankly, they are beyond plain vanilla.
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Re: Preston Center

Postby homeworld1031tx » 23 Nov 2020 18:32

That's a 630,000 sq ft tower? Looks much smaller.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby tamtagon » 23 Nov 2020 18:45

Those top floors are really working the view!

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Re: Preston Center

Postby itsjrd1964 » 24 Nov 2020 06:37

rono3849 wrote:preston.center.buildings.jpg

Is this in Dallas or University Park?


I think it's Dallas, but not by much.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tucy » 24 Nov 2020 09:39

homeworld1031tx wrote:That's a 630,000 sq ft tower? Looks much smaller.


The story has been corrected. 225,000 square feet.

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Re: Preston Center

Postby Tucy » 24 Nov 2020 09:40

Dup post. Sorry

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Re: Preston Center

Postby CTroyMathis » 24 Nov 2020 14:02

Yeah, he/they got it from this: https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2021004812 and https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2021004810

When I saw those TDLR links yesterday, I thought surely that sq ft number had to be way off. Possibly including whole project scope/site even though they are separate applications. . .