East Quarter: ~24 Building Redevelopment

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Postby Tucy » 04 Aug 2021 10:05

Per DCAD, that lot is owned by an entity named Hamilton St Paul GP, LLC/Hamilton Properties Corp.

FWIW, they are the company that did:
Aloft Hotel
Davis Building
Dallas Power & Light Building
Lone Star Gas Lofts
Lorenzo Hotel
Mosaic

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Aug 2021 10:16

Well that pretty much clears that up thanks Tucy.
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Postby R1070 » 04 Aug 2021 10:27

Those little surface lots around there being filled in will be really nice. That area of downtown is a great location.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Aug 2021 11:48

Plus its been an area that has largely been a wild west with homeless and varying levels of property upkeep. Seeing development creep south from Main Streets is a wonderful new phase.
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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Aug 2021 13:27

In a related note, i still haven't seen substantial process on 10 story residential project from Centurion; across DMN... Wonder what's the deal ..

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Aug 2021 14:26

If we are lucky they are proposing another revision that looks better but will actually build it finally. I just don't think they are in a RUSH until the park is farther along when the views will be awesome and construction of the park will no doubt have an impact on rents until the park is nearly done.
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Postby R1070 » 04 Aug 2021 14:30

If they are smart, they will start once the park gets going. It seems like that may be what’s happening.

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Postby maconahey » 05 Aug 2021 18:29

Looks like a new 545' building named Isosceles was proposed last month and work schedule shows from 01/01/2022 to 06/01/2024

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 94&row=397

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 05 Aug 2021 18:41

There is a obvious gold rush to be the new tower in this area if they can get the tenants.
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Postby quixomniac » 05 Aug 2021 22:36

maconahey wrote:Looks like a new 545' building named Isosceles was proposed last month and work schedule shows from 01/01/2022 to 06/01/2024

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 94&row=397

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Maybe they know something we dont?
In all honesty, that’s the LAST plot I would see developed.
It’s surrounded by off/on ramps that are already dangerous to cross.
Unless they are gonna take the whole block, including the small buildings,
It’s basically gonna be an island. How would you even get in?
And then you pair it with the uncertainty of I345, idk if its a good sell.

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Postby undefinedprocess » 06 Aug 2021 08:49

I think this is one of the towers we saw modeled in the EQ part of the DDI video. Name would make sense too, but could be wrong... Hmm... I'd take 545 feet over here though. Now can it be mixed-use, please?

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Aug 2021 09:14

So once again 345 seems to attract development not repel it.

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Postby Tnexster » 06 Aug 2021 10:30

So 545 ft tower translates into about 40-45 floors? Somewhere around there?

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 06 Aug 2021 13:34

Tnexster wrote:So once again 345 seems to attract development not repel it.


Correction...The neighborhood/area attracts development. Not an overpass that literally has had parking lots around it for 40+ yrs.

345 isn't a necessarily a deterrent for new development.

But there certainly would more room for development w/o it.

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Postby potatocoins » 06 Aug 2021 15:01

Tnexster wrote:So once again 345 seems to attract development not repel it.


Do any of the EQ and Deep Ellum marketing brochures mention the proximity to 345 as a selling point? :lol:

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Postby Tucy » 06 Aug 2021 16:22

One thing is pretty much beyond argument at this point. Contrary to the claims made by the "remove I-345" boosters, there is no undevelopable dead zone around the freeway.

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Postby quixomniac » 06 Aug 2021 16:26

alkilo wrote:E34796BC-C8ED-46F5-B98B-4591CE01EDC7.jpeg

Thanks for that. Hopefully full renders come out soon.
Otherwise, it's a good looking building so far.
If they put gold tint glass, we can call it the big cheese! :lol:

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 07 Aug 2021 09:47

I think the "cheese" building would look great at around 30 floors.
Add gold LEDs to cheese slice!

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Postby quixomniac » 07 Aug 2021 15:03

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I think the "cheese" building would look great at around 30 floors.
Add gold LEDs to cheese slice!

My thinking exactly. :D
Might as well start rumors about a cheese corporate relocation too.
Kraft-Heinz?

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Aug 2021 18:46

One highrise office tower is built and one is theoretically proposed and all of a sudden the highway is "attracting" development. Just like I-30 is attracting NewPark/Smart District aka more theoretical proposals that may never materialize. Could I argue that it's because of I-30 those proposals didn't happen or could I say it's because of the highway access that the project does materialize? Which is it?

Let's talk about the residential component too. We have one luxury high rise and one affordable housing highrise that is only made possible because the land is less desirable and demand for affordable living is so damn high that developers have to find cheap enough land to build affordable living in less than desirable parcels the Trammel Crows of the world have ignored and continue to ignore. Notice not many big names are in this area its developers who are smaller and gambling on crumbs the bigger guys ignore.

If I am the developer I would play up the access as a feature and PR the crap out of it. If I am a city planner I might not be so upbeat about a highway's impact on development patterns.

You could just as easily argue that despite the dead weight of the freeway demand is attempting to outweigh the negatives effects that have made this area empty and desolate for decades. This area has been rough and empty parking lots for decades and 345 is not new and now its "positive" impact is ignoring years of evidence right there in front of you. It's about spin and interpretation of the facts and to say the argument is settled is hilarious cause the tear-down 345 crowd has even more evidence now with these proposals to support their claim just as you suggest otherwise. It's easy to say your side won when you look through your own rose-tinted glasses.
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cowboyeagle05 wrote:One highrise office tower is built and one is theoretically proposed and all of a sudden the highway is "attracting" development. Just like I-30 is attracting NewPark/Smart District aka more theoretical proposals that may never materialize. Could I argue that it's because of I-30 those proposals didn't happen or could I say it's because of the highway access that the project does materialize? Which is it?

Let's talk about the residential component too. We have one luxury high rise and one affordable housing highrise that is only made possible because the land is less desirable and demand for affordable living is so damn high that developers have to find cheap enough land to build affordable living in less than desirable parcels the Trammel Crows of the world have ignored and continue to ignore. Notice not many big names are in this area its developers who are smaller and gambling on crumbs the bigger guys ignore.

If I am the developer I would play up the access as a feature and PR the crap out of it. If I am a city planner I might not be so upbeat about a highway's impact on development patterns.

You could just as easily argue that despite the dead weight of the freeway demand is attempting to outweigh the negatives effects that have made this area empty and desolate for decades. This area has been rough and empty parking lots for decades and 345 is not new and now its "positive" impact is ignoring years of evidence right there in front of you. It's about spin and interpretation of the facts and to say the argument is settled is hilarious cause the tear-down 345 crowd has even more evidence now with these proposals to support their claim just as you suggest otherwise. It's easy to say your side won when you look through your own rose-tinted glasses.


Great you made your POV on i345 obvious.
Regardless of what happens to it, the attraction is DEEP ELLUM.
I345 being next to it is incidental, since i345 has been there forever.
The only thing that has changed is that DEEP ELLUM is hot right now.
Everyone wants to be close to or in DEEP ELLUM so bad,
They will build a cheese tower right next to highway ramps, if that’s what it takes.

And I’m not for a i345 teardown.
Regardless of the i345 outcome, building the tower here is all positives.
Sunk? It is a the foot of a new deck park. Teardown? Across from DEEP ELLUM.
Leave it alone? Still next to DEEP ELLUM

Your point that big developers are not taking risks is very valid.
I think a lot of people have sat on these lots hoping to catch a big office fish.
But it never materialized, and only made their position worse as it became a wasteland.
The smaller developers are more forward looking in my opinion, willing to take gambles on mixed use development and should be encouraged. I’d rather have East Quarter style development everywhere instead of 1 giant skycraper surrounded by parking lots.

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Postby willyk » 07 Aug 2021 23:51

quixomniac wrote:Great you made your POV on i345 obvious.
Regardless of what happens to it, the attraction is DEEP ELLUM.
I345 being next to it is incidental, since i345 has been there forever.
The only thing that has changed is that DEEP ELLUM is hot right now.
Everyone wants to be close to or in DEEP ELLUM so bad,
They will build a cheese tower right next to highway ramps, if that’s what it takes.

And I’m not for a i345 teardown.
Regardless of the i345 outcome, building the tower here is all positives.
Sunk? It is a the foot of a new deck park. Teardown? Across from DEEP ELLUM.
Leave it alone? Still next to DEEP ELLUM

Your point that big developers are not taking risks is very valid.
I think a lot of people have sat on these lots hoping to catch a big office fish.
But it never materialized, and only made their position worse as it became a wasteland.
The smaller developers are more forward looking in my opinion, willing to take gambles on mixed use development and should be encouraged. I’d rather have East Quarter style development everywhere instead of 1 giant skycraper surrounded by parking lots.


I agree for the most part, but there is a little more than this going on in DE. KDC is a national developer and the Epic is successful even though Covid forced Uber to dial back and sublease. Hines is national and they got The Stack financed on spec before Covid, as did Todd with 300 Pearl. So there are enough mainstream bets being placed in DE that we are beyond the wildcatter stage.

That said, there are plenty of good opportunities for entrepreneurial developers who are shut out of Uptown and Ross Ave to hit a big one here. As soon as we land one more high tech relo in this neighborhood, everyone who has a play going here will look like a genius.

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Postby quixomniac » 08 Aug 2021 00:20

willyk wrote:I agree for the most part, but there is a little more than this going on in DE. KDC is a national developer and the Epic is successful even though Covid forced Uber to dial back and sublease. Hines is national and they got The Stack financed on spec before Covid, as did Todd with 300 Pearl. So there are enough mainstream bets being placed in DE that we are beyond the wildcatter stage.

That said, there are plenty of good opportunities for entrepreneurial developers who are shut out of Uptown and Ross Ave to hit a big one here. As soon as we land one more high tech relo in this neighborhood, everyone who has a play going here will look like a genius.

That's technically true. I should be more precise and not use broad generalizations.
I meant, old money developers that have been here a while, like the Perots.
They aren't billionaires for nothing, so its not like we know better.
But it seems like its the newcomers and outsiders are making big strides.
Instead of waiting for a single homerun, smaller developers line up developments like dominoes until the big one falls. I wouldnt be surprised if its East Quarter.

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Postby maconahey » 19 Aug 2021 12:53

maconahey wrote:Looks like a new 545' building named Isosceles was proposed last month and work schedule shows from 01/01/2022 to 06/01/2024

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 94&row=397

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The status changed to Interim and states that it'll be a residential tower

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Aug 2021 16:00

All Residential?...even better. There's far more of a likelihood that residential happens than an office dependent project.

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Postby I45Tex » 19 Aug 2021 16:30

Agree, especially since this Isosceles residential tower proposal is also by Todd who are running the surrounding mixed-use infill and adaptive reuse

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Postby Dallas_Uptown » 20 Aug 2021 12:27

Tnexster wrote:So 545 ft tower translates into about 40-45 floors? Somewhere around there?


For context, Museum Tower is 560' tall. Hmm.

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Dallas_Uptown wrote:
Tnexster wrote:So 545 ft tower translates into about 40-45 floors? Somewhere around there?


For context, Museum Tower is 560' tall. Hmm.


Nice height for that part of downtown. Hope it goes up!

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Postby Urbancowboy » 24 Aug 2021 02:07

This will be a great addition to the EQ district.


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Postby maconahey » 24 Aug 2021 14:15

Did some digging around and it seems like it's still in the design phase. I came across someone's social media site who works for HKS, but don't feel comfortable posting their site publically in case it gets them in trouble. DM me if you want the link.

So far, it looks like they're leaning towards the following design elements:


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Postby eburress » 24 Aug 2021 14:44

Ooh, I love all of that! Very very cool!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 24 Aug 2021 14:48

Another theoretical project I will have more interest when its being submitted the city council for approval. Until then its merely a mythical unicorn in a Disney movie in Phase 14 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe written on papyrus in 300 BC by the people of Atlantis.
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Postby Tnexster » 25 Aug 2021 08:52

Nice work Maconahey, thanks for digging that up!

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Postby undefinedprocess » 25 Aug 2021 09:59

Nice work digging that up for sure, and cowboyeagle, don't spoil the 458,582th movie for us!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Aug 2021 10:53

undefinedprocess wrote:Nice work digging that up for sure, and cowboyeagle, don't spoil the 458,582th movie for us!


Exactly and I am just jaded I have been on this forum since high school so I have seen so many renderings, FAA height requests, zoning proposals, developer promises so I am used to ignoring this stuff until the bacon actually hits the pan.
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National anthem now open

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Postby BigTex » 07 Oct 2021 10:57

undefinedprocess wrote:333 MF units, that's a donut complex, isn't it?


I think it's going to be a tower. The site is a bit squeezed for a wrap product

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Postby JDumont146 » 10 Oct 2021 14:34

Tried out National Anthem - awesome place. The building itself is worth going, but the food is great too. Classic Badovinus menu - but it's an all-day kind of hang out (as opposed to Town Hearth and Neighborhood Services that are very much dinner spots).

East Quarter is already far more vibrant just because of this restaurant. It very obviously connects Farmers Market, Main Street District and Deep Ellum. We walked along with lots of other people down to Discovery District after dinner and the whole area was buzzing. Makes me very excited for Harwood and Carpenter parks to finish.

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Postby undefinedprocess » 11 Oct 2021 15:18

JDumont146 wrote:Tried out National Anthem - awesome place. The building itself is worth going, but the food is great too. Classic Badovinus menu - but it's an all-day kind of hang out (as opposed to Town Hearth and Neighborhood Services that are very much dinner spots).

East Quarter is already far more vibrant just because of this restaurant. It very obviously connects Farmers Market, Main Street District and Deep Ellum. We walked along with lots of other people down to Discovery District after dinner and the whole area was buzzing. Makes me very excited for Harwood and Carpenter parks to finish.

Harwood Park is going to be amazing. Once 300 Pearl opens and gets tenants, that'll be incredible, too. Not to mention, the top of 300 Pearl being the "East Quarter Residences." EQ is really maturing fast and quickly becoming one of my favorite parts of the city.

Also, the rooftop at National Anthem isn't even open yet if I recall, correct? Can't wait to go try it once that opens. Seems like a very chill spot overall, and the rooftop should have great views and vibes.

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Postby THRILLHO » 16 Nov 2021 13:42

Justin Terveen posted an excellent photo of the east quarter a few days ago:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjatune/51670800651/


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Postby CTroyMathis » 22 Mar 2022 16:32

Looks like the "Isosceles" finally got a determination earlier this month:

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 74&row=178

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Structure: High Rise/Sky Scraper Isosceles - A
Location: Dallas, TX
Latitude: 32-46-55.28N NAD 83
Longitude: 96-47-24.62W
Heights: 463 feet site elevation (SE)
550 feet above ground level (AGL)
1013 feet above mean sea level (AMSL)

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 Mar 2022 19:36

I really liked that first leaked design. Really slick!

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Postby rono3849 » 25 Mar 2022 00:44

Would love to see some renderings appear on this one. Certainly they must exist if they've gotten this far in the planning phase.

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Postby IcedCowboyCoffee » 25 Mar 2022 12:07

Funnily enough, with the land preventing this from being box shaped I'll probably like the design no matter what.
Some new angles there will certainly liven up the south-east view we have from Carpenter park. The Salazar Center, 300 Pearl, and the Elm st. garage aren't particularly picturesque ahah.

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Postby willyk » 26 Mar 2022 04:24

The application says residential. Maybe that info was already in the mix, but a 40-45 residential tower is pretty aggressive I think. The walkable amenities in this spot are very limited. I like the EQ and everything they have done, but I am reminded of how Victory suffers with plenty of residential and limited retail and restaurant. And I think they need to do more to attract local services to make this work— dry cleaners, gym, bodega, breakfast joint, etc. All the Farmers Market residential is underserved too, so EQ could pull traffic from there for new neighborhood businesses.

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Postby JDumont146 » 26 Mar 2022 07:21

willyk wrote:The application says residential. Maybe that info was already in the mix, but a 40-45 residential tower is pretty aggressive I think. The walkable amenities in this spot are very limited. I like the EQ and everything they have done, but I am reminded of how Victory suffers with plenty of residential and limited retail and restaurant. And I think they need to do more to attract local services to make this work— dry cleaners, gym, bodega, breakfast joint, etc. All the Farmers Market residential is underserved too, so EQ could pull traffic from there for new neighborhood businesses.


It's actually easily walkable from National Anthem/300 Pearl to all of the amenities on Main/Elm Commerce plus the Farmer's Market, plus Deep Ellum. That's part of what I love about them building this area out.

Also, there's a lot of retail space on the ground floor of 300 Pearl that they haven't leased out yet - maybe they'll get some useful ones.