Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby Tucy » 05 Apr 2022 11:28

Anything happening here?

Have they gotten their zoning approval from the City of Dallas?

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby undefinedprocess » 05 Apr 2022 18:26

Tucy wrote:Anything happening here?

Have they gotten their zoning approval from the City of Dallas?

Based on Dallas' zoning GIS map, no.

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Apr 2022 19:00

Keep in mind one of the biggest hurdles is still the city is backed up like a mf* in its approval process. It's such a big problem I guarantee more than one large developer has shelved a project for something they can get approved faster in the burbs. Stuff we can't see could be causing the city to throw it back at the developer for changes and the project has to get back in line again for council review.
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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby OrangeMike » 04 May 2022 17:59

DFW wrote:Not sure if this is same project.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tle-creek/


It is not.

This assisted living/condo tower in the story you posted would be on the corner of Turtle Creek and Fairmount.

The corner at Turtle Creek and Cedar Springs is slated for the new Four Seasons hotel and condos. https://www.fourseasonsturtlecreek.com (There was an office building planned for the lot previously.)

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby Tucy » 21 May 2022 13:32

undefinedprocess wrote:
Tucy wrote:Anything happening here?

Have they gotten their zoning approval from the City of Dallas?

Based on Dallas' zoning GIS map, no.


Have they even applied for rezoning?

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby Tucy » 21 May 2022 13:33

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Keep in mind one of the biggest hurdles is still the city is backed up like a mf* in its approval process. It's such a big problem I guarantee more than one large developer has shelved a project for something they can get approved faster in the burbs. Stuff we can't see could be causing the city to throw it back at the developer for changes and the project has to get back in line again for council review.


Are rezoning approvals that backed up or just building permits? FWIW, I don't think this project has gotten to the point of seeking building permits. AFAIK, they don't even have the property rezoned yet.

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby Tnexster » 23 May 2022 09:22

Can they get 454 feet approved? That seems high for this close to Love.

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Postby Tucy » 23 May 2022 10:10

Tnexster wrote:Can they get 454 feet approved? That seems high for this close to Love.


I think the FAA already approved the height. That is the least of their issues...

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby R1070 » 23 May 2022 11:23

What are the other issues?

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Re: 3001 Turtle Creek: Turtle Creek & Cedar Springs (240 FT | 17 ST)

Postby Tucy » 23 May 2022 12:32

R1070 wrote:What are the other issues?


It's not much more than an educated guess, but it usually come down to financing.

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby CTroyMathis » 23 May 2022 17:18

Late note: threads merged and condensed.

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Postby rono3849 » 23 May 2022 18:17

CTroyMathis wrote:Late note: threads merged and condensed.


When they condensed the threads, they cut out the renderings of the tower itself. Mods, please reinstate my post that had the link to those renderings of the tower building.

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby Tucy » 25 May 2022 11:06

rono3849 wrote:
CTroyMathis wrote:Late note: threads merged and condensed.


When they condensed the threads, they cut out the renderings of the tower itself. Mods, please reinstate my post that had the link to those renderings of the tower building.


Wouldn't it have been about as easy to just re-post the link? ;)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gWKKZh ... DqfAs/view

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby OrangeMike » 25 May 2022 20:43



Thanks for (re)posting this. This will be a really elegant and well designed building, but I love how the Cedar Springs elevation is omitted from the presentation (pp. 32-34), probably because it would show a giant slab of highrise that will block every Uptown/Downtown view from the Renaissance condos across the street.

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby hbkabc » 30 May 2022 19:41

I am late to the party on this one. Any time frame mentioned on when they are gonna break ground on this project?

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby dallaz » 23 Jun 2022 10:53

$750 million project with Four Seasons and condos gets thumbs up on Dallas’ Turtle Creek

Dallas’ city council voted Wednesday for zoning changes needed to construct the Four Seasons high-rise at Turtle Creek Boulevard and Cedar Springs Road.

The planned tower will include what developers say will be a 5-star hotel plus 100 to 125 condominium homes.

Award-winning architectural firm Pelli Clarke Pelli and Dallas’ HKS are designing the more than 30-story mixed-use tower.



https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tle-creek/

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby CTroyMathis » 05 Aug 2022 11:25

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Reported: 7/20/2022
Project Title   
Track Project
Four Seasons Hotel and Condo Tower
Project Type      New Construction
Physical Address      Turtle Creek Boulevard & Cedar Springs Road  Map
City, State (County)      Dallas, TX 75219   (Dallas County)
Category(s)      Commercial, Residential
Sub-Category(s)      Apartments/Condominiums, Hotel/Motel
Contracting Method      Bids by Invitation.
Project Status      Design Development, Construction Start Expected October 2022,
Estimated Value      $750,000,000
Architect
   
Pelli Clarke Pelli Architects   Websites   Analysis   
1056 Chapel Street
New Haven, CT 06510   (203) 777-2515
fax: (203) 787-2856
Contact - Bill Butler
wbutler@pcparch.com
Architect
   
HKS Architects Inc.   Websites   Analysis   
350 N Saint Paul St Ste 100
Dallas, TX 752014200   (214) 969-5599
fax: (214) 969-3397
Developer
   
Carpenter & Company, Inc.   Websites   Analysis   
20 University Road
Charles Square
Cambridge, MA 02138   (617) 864-2800
fax: (617) 864-5990
Description      Mixed Use. Scope of Work: New construction of a hotel tower with condominium units.

As of July 19, 2022, this has zoning approval. Information regarding a general contractor and construction timeline hasn't been confirmed.
Details      Apartments/Condominiums, New Construction, 125 Unit(s), Hotel/Motel, 30 Stories Above Grade, New Construction.


As of July 19, 2022, this has zoning approval. Information regarding a general contractor and construction timeline hasn't been confirmed.

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby kingkong34 » 05 Aug 2022 11:42

Wow 30 stories above grade? That's amazing! Would be a gamechanger in that area!

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby I45Tex » 05 Aug 2022 13:19

Yes, after the first tower in the neighborhood jumped right past 20 stories in the 1950s, it was surprising that the corridor took until Y2K to clear 300 feet above grade:

https://www.emporis.com/buildings/11837 ... las-tx-usa
https://www.emporis.com/buildings/11832 ... las-tx-usa

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby Tnexster » 05 Aug 2022 14:30

The valuation is interesting since it's 750,000,000. A lot compared to the others about to kick off construction.

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Re: Turtle Creek: Four Seasons Hotel & Residences (3001 Turtle Creek)

Postby OrangeMike » 05 Aug 2022 22:20

Tnexster wrote:The valuation is interesting since it's 750,000,000. A lot compared to the others about to kick off construction.


I noticed that too. Maybe the ginormous glass porte cochère isn't going to come cheap.