cowboyeagle05 wrote:As mentioned before the Mathews Southwest land makes one of the best senses proposals. Its shovel ready will have high-speed rail connected to Houston for easy port access etc. DART is close by and using some of his lands on the north side of the railway would make the connection a much firmer handshake.
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Matt777 wrote:cowboyeagle05 wrote:As mentioned before the Mathews Southwest land makes one of the best senses proposals. Its shovel ready will have high-speed rail connected to Houston for easy port access etc. DART is close by and using some of his lands on the north side of the railway would make the connection a much firmer handshake.
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How many acres is this? Isn't some already set aside for the HSR station? It could be a cool site and should be considered, but I hope they find some creative ways to integrate it better with Downtown and The Cedars. It feels kind of isolated. But it will have a front seat to the Trinity Park.
Toyota developer thinks Dallas can land the big one with Amazon
by Steve Brown
Steve Van Amburgh, KDC development, "If they truly are tapped out in the talent market up in Seattle, and they have this incredible demand for new people and human capital, where else in the country could they go that would be better than Dallas,"
"The veteran Dallas developer predicts that Amazon's expectations may be ahead of what ultimately happens. Who has ever done 5 million square feet and 50,000 employees?" he said. "I say it's 50 percent maybe going to happen.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Matt777 wrote:cowboyeagle05 wrote:As mentioned before the Mathews Southwest land makes one of the best senses proposals. Its shovel ready will have high-speed rail connected to Houston for easy port access etc. DART is close by and using some of his lands on the north side of the railway would make the connection a much firmer handshake.
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How many acres is this? Isn't some already set aside for the HSR station? It could be a cool site and should be considered, but I hope they find some creative ways to integrate it better with Downtown and The Cedars. It feels kind of isolated. But it will have a front seat to the Trinity Park.
The main empty block of land is 55 acres. The rest of the surrounding parcels bring the total up to 110 acres. HSR main money driver is the development that surrounds its station. Matthews already has a deal with HSR for developing the site with the HSR station so a partnership with Amazon to build out their own water garden office complex seems appropriate.
Matt777 wrote:Realized that, but also realize they aren't going to get 100+ acres that meet all their other requirements in an urban environment in a good city near mass transit for a $5 billion project cost. If they can get the 40-45 acres, plus maybe eventually ~15-20 more where the Target center is, they can get pretty close. They can also buy an array of smaller parcels nearby over time like they've done in Seattle. For comparison, the front running site in supposedly front running Philadelphia (Schuylkill Yards) is 14 acres total. Not sure what Denver and Chicago are offering up, acres wise.
Fitch wrote:Matt777 wrote:Realized that, but also realize they aren't going to get 100+ acres that meet all their other requirements in an urban environment in a good city near mass transit for a $5 billion project cost. If they can get the 40-45 acres, plus maybe eventually ~15-20 more where the Target center is, they can get pretty close. They can also buy an array of smaller parcels nearby over time like they've done in Seattle. For comparison, the front running site in supposedly front running Philadelphia (Schuylkill Yards) is 14 acres total. Not sure what Denver and Chicago are offering up, acres wise.
Houston has a mostly vacant 150 acre site adjacent to their downtown, about 3/4 mile from the light rail station. Seems like that's not getting much coverage.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:This thread is raising my hopes. I must stop before I'm emotionally invested in Amazon HQ2. Lol
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:This thread is raising my hopes. I must stop before I'm emotionally invested in Amazon HQ2. Lol
You are worried about getting your hopes raised? Can you imagine the real estate locators, commercial leasing agents, developers, business journalists, city economic development personnel etc who are foaming at the mouth at just 5% of the Amazon HQ2 business?
The sheer number of companies right now in Dallas alone that are shopping for land to buy just in case Amazon does pick Dallas. Apartments and retail space developers just need a slight hint and they will lock down anything they can get their hands on. Amazon is going to cause a gold rush once the decision is made for land all over the city. Projects once on the back burner will all of a sudden have a new found interest.
R1070 wrote:Umm... Can someone tell the mayor that the Valley View site and the area along Riverfront Blvd. aren't on any rail lines? Amazon wants to be near transit, how hard is that to sink in? Frisco and other burbs trying to bid for it are either blind or clueless. SMH.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:Would Amazon like the DART line right in the middle of their 100+ acres sure but as long as it's in the 15-20 min walk window they will be happy. Either Design District or Cedars Riverfront Blvd has that.
Deep Ellum Has Its Own Amazon HQ2 Proposal
The neighborhood group has located a spot just to the west of Exposition Blvd. and adjacent to Fair Park that it believes best satisfies the expectations laid out in Amazon’s request for proposals. In an email, Deep Ellum Foundation Executive Director Jessica Burnham explains that, unlike some of the suburban bids, the Expo Park site offers available land for infill development that can accommodate both new buildings and adaptive reuse of historic structures. It would be located adjacent to a vibrant urban neighborhood, accessible to rail and trails, and have Fair Park at its door step.
For Dallas, the benefits of such a location are obvious. An Amazon HQ2 located at the entrance of Fair Park could help revitalize the park, and it would bring tons of jobs right to the edge of South Dallas. The plans also show how a redevelopment of the area could tie into the CityMAP plans for lowering I-30 and could be accomplished within current zoning.
For Amazon, the location offers the kind of walkable, vibrant, urban environment that the company knows it needs to recruit employees, while also situating the new headquarters a short skip away from a major continental distribution and logistics center: the Inland Port project in southern Dallas. Rope in easy access to the Trinity River and Trinity Forest, and while it isn’t exactly kayaking on the Puget Sound or snowboarding at Mt. Baker, it starts to look like what Amazon might actually be looking for in a new home.
A proposed central location of the new Amazon headquarters, like the idea of placing it in Expo Park, both represents DFW’s best shot at landing the Amazon headquarters and happens to be the most advantageous location for maximizing the headquarters’ impact on promoting regional sustainable growth, mobility, and access to jobs. In other words, there is a strong regional argument to be made that the best place to locate Amazon in North Texas would be at the center of the region.
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So it looks like maybe each region in DFW will simply just make their own proposal to Amazon directly. I wish we had some organization and coordination from our side. We need to be realistic and realize there are only a handful of locations that make sense. Frisco does not make sense at all, but Frisco could still benefit if Amazon were to locate Downtown or anywhere else in the metroplex. This is such a huge move that no matter where they locate, a good portion of the metroplex will see some sort of benefit from the move.
I think Deep Ellum is a decent spot for Amazon, I just wish DFW could come together, review all of our sites, and come up with a handful of winners to propose to Amazon, rather than trying to compete against each other.
Matt777 wrote:The city could sweeten the pot by offering them the disused jail property on Riverfront for data center conversion.
West Dallas' Trinity Groves owner teams with KDC, Gensler in bid to woo Amazon HQ2
by Maria Halkias
-- West Dallas Investments, which owns Trinity Groves and surrounding acres, has partnered with developer KDC and architecture firm Gensler to submit a proposal to Amazon.com. ... location at the base of the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge ... 80 acres that are "shovel-ready" for Amazon,
-- The Dallas Midtown project planned where Valley View Mall is being torn down was already being prepped to be a Dallas location big enough to compete regionally with undeveloped land in the suburbs.
-- Property owners of Exposition Park, located between Fair Park and Deep Ellum, have filed a proposal with the city. Madison Partners LLC put together a group that says it has all the pieces Amazon has said it wants including "at site" mass transit.
-- In Oak Cliff, investors who own a key development site just south of Downtown Dallas are pitching the property that includes the old Oak Farms Dairy and other land owned by Cienda Partners.
R1070 wrote:If Dallas keeps toying with rolling back business hours to Midnight, that will run off businesses that are trying to attract young talent.
DPatel304 wrote:R1070 wrote:If Dallas keeps toying with rolling back business hours to Midnight, that will run off businesses that are trying to attract young talent.
This is the first I'm hearing of this. Is this simply because the demand isn't there in Downtown yet? If so, just a simple announcement from Amazon would certainly change this almost instantly.
muncien wrote:There's a DBJ article from yesterday that mentions DFW Airport land as a site being touted for Amazon HQ2. Funny... I was thinking just that the other day. Unlike many airports for major cites that find themselves out on the edges of town, DFW does have the unique situation of being seated right in the middle of the region. Having a strong cargo presence and transit is also a strength, but it just seems weird to have your business all wrapped up in the airport operations. I think that may be pushing it a bit too far. And, if you aren't talking about airport proper, than anything just outside the airport just seems like a far out suburb. I hardly see any opportunity of creating an 'urban' environment that Amazon touts. Interesting though...
They also mention 12-14 DFW cities are in play... many with multiple sites. I really hope we aren't watering down our approach too much.
Several property owners around American Airlines Center in Victory Park have put together a site proposal for Amazon HQ2.
Real estate companies, which on most days are competing with each other for big commercial building projects, have come together over the past couple of weeks to create a site plan for Amazon.
The group led by Ross Perot Jr.'s Hillwood Urban and Hunt Realty Investments includes Hines, Karns, Cousins, Provident Realty Advisors and Estein USA.
Seeing Amazon's expansion in downtown Seattle and how it was outgrowing the region, Hillwood proposed to the tech and e-commerce giant last summer that it should build an office building in Dallas.
Hillwood showed Amazon an architect's drawing of a tower it would build in Victory Park in June, said Ken Reese, executive vice president at Hillwood. He believes Amazon had plans in motion back then for an expansion, but "everyone was surprised" that it was an HQ2, he said.
Seattle-based Amazon unleashed a flurry of activity across major U.S. markets when it said on Sept. 7 that it's looking for a second headquarters somewhere in the U.S. or Canada in a city with at least 1 million residents.
"It's impressive the speed at which they are moving," Reese said in an interview Wednesday. "We have the first building already designed for them."
Hillwood has built 17 facilities totaling 14 million square feet for Amazon in eight states, including fulfillment centers Texas.
Ross Perot Jr. said the proposal is similar to Amazon's Seattle campus and he believes it "possesses all of the amenities and requirements Amazon is seeking."
"It's in the heart of an urban and vibrant city environment, adjacent to mass transit and key transportation infrastructure," Perot said in a statement. "And we can offer plenty of office development sites for them to execute their vision for a second North American headquarters."
This time many believe that the 2.5-mile radius around the center of downtown Dallas has an advantage over the suburbs.
Visiting Amazon's Seattle offices a number of times, Reese said the demographic of the typical employee is similar to residents in Uptown and downtown Dallas. "This is a younger demographic versus what drove Toyota to Plano was more about home prices and school districts," Reese said.
"This area of town is made to order," said Walt Zartman, senior vice president at Hillwood, adding the pitch includes multiple actual photos of amenities such as urban parks, trails and street scenes versus the drawings of similar settings that other developers will present.
"It's all here. There's no need to imagine it," Zartman said.
The Victory Park proposed site located on the northwestern edge of downtown covers 22 acres where several buildings can be built in an area around the Perot Museum of Nature and Science, Woodall Rodgers Freeway and I-35. Included is the historic Brewery building in the West End District and stretches through Victory Park to empty parcels north of the American Airlines Center.
The first building with the 500,000 square feet that Amazon said it needs for Phase 1 will be built next to the existing Victory Park DART transit station, Reese said. DART has a proposal to add another stop at the Perot Museum in 2024, he said.
The proposed buildings include one north of Woodall Rodgers Freeway right across from the El Fenix restaurant. The historic El Fenix restaurant would stay, but parking lot around it is part of the new building plan.
The Northend apartments built in the 1990s next to the Perot Museum would be leveled to build a high-rise office building. About a dozen buildings in all are part of the plan to reach the 8 million square feet that Amazon said it needs for its second headquarters, Reese said.
Dallas' real estate community is rallying hard for Amazon because "it's would be uplifting across the market," said Todd Watson, senior vice president of Hunt Realty Investments. "In the end, Amazon is going to pick a place where their employees want to live."
Whether Amazon wants an infill urban area or a big empty space where it can build a corporate campus, Reese said, "This area has all the choices."
DPatel304 wrote:Deep Ellum Has Its Own Amazon HQ2 Proposal
The neighborhood group has located a spot just to the west of Exposition Blvd. and adjacent to Fair Park that it believes best satisfies the expectations laid out in Amazon’s request for proposals. In an email, Deep Ellum Foundation Executive Director Jessica Burnham explains that, unlike some of the suburban bids, the Expo Park site offers available land for infill development that can accommodate both new buildings and adaptive reuse of historic structures. It would be located adjacent to a vibrant urban neighborhood, accessible to rail and trails, and have Fair Park at its door step.
For Dallas, the benefits of such a location are obvious. An Amazon HQ2 located at the entrance of Fair Park could help revitalize the park, and it would bring tons of jobs right to the edge of South Dallas. The plans also show how a redevelopment of the area could tie into the CityMAP plans for lowering I-30 and could be accomplished within current zoning.
For Amazon, the location offers the kind of walkable, vibrant, urban environment that the company knows it needs to recruit employees, while also situating the new headquarters a short skip away from a major continental distribution and logistics center: the Inland Port project in southern Dallas. Rope in easy access to the Trinity River and Trinity Forest, and while it isn’t exactly kayaking on the Puget Sound or snowboarding at Mt. Baker, it starts to look like what Amazon might actually be looking for in a new home.
A proposed central location of the new Amazon headquarters, like the idea of placing it in Expo Park, both represents DFW’s best shot at landing the Amazon headquarters and happens to be the most advantageous location for maximizing the headquarters’ impact on promoting regional sustainable growth, mobility, and access to jobs. In other words, there is a strong regional argument to be made that the best place to locate Amazon in North Texas would be at the center of the region.
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... -proposal/
So it looks like maybe each region in DFW will simply just make their own proposal to Amazon directly. I wish we had some organization and coordination from our side. We need to be realistic and realize there are only a handful of locations that make sense. Frisco does not make sense at all, but Frisco could still benefit if Amazon were to locate Downtown or anywhere else in the metroplex. This is such a huge move that no matter where they locate, a good portion of the metroplex will see some sort of benefit from the move.
I think Deep Ellum is a decent spot for Amazon, I just wish DFW could come together, review all of our sites, and come up with a handful of winners to propose to Amazon, rather than trying to compete against each other.
R1070 wrote:Amazon in Deep Ellum would be such a great fit! Victory Park and Reunion are great options too!
mwaskow wrote:We'll be a denser Los Angeles without the beach before we know it!
tanzoak wrote:mwaskow wrote:We'll be a denser Los Angeles without the beach before we know it!
Decades of shade from New York have made people have no idea how dense LA is. It's extremely dense, it just doesn't have the same peak as some of the older cities.
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