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Is this a new project or the one already in progress? Don't have a DMN subscription...
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jetnd87 wrote:Is this a new project or the one already in progress? Don't have a DMN subscription...
Already in progress! If you drive down Central, you can see their two cranes up. The project looks good on paper. No idea how it will be when it is actually in front of us though. It looks like phase one will be a mixed-use building in a parking lot when completed, so potentially concerning as it may feel like a Victory Park circa 2007 (on a way way smaller scale). I really hope that they don't fall into this trap.
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It's 28 floors? That's actually impressive for that area. Like it when something new punches through the 20 story ceiling.
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Hope this link works. Construction has begun for Eastline 28-story Apt tower here is the rendering.
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... e=facebook
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... e=facebook
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DFW wrote:Hope this link works. Construction has begun for Eastline 28-story Apt tower here is the rendering.
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news ... e=facebook
The link did work.
I don't know if that hotel's new name works for me, though.
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DART moves forward with development agreement for SMU/Mockingbird station
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/infrastructure/press-release/21118117/dallas-area-rapid-transit-dart-dart-moves-forward-with-development-agreement-for-smumockingbird-station
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/infrastructure/press-release/21118117/dallas-area-rapid-transit-dart-dart-moves-forward-with-development-agreement-for-smumockingbird-station
The plan is to construct an underground parking garage with residential and commercial towers on the surface parking lots at the station.
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TC is the developer? Oh boy.
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Cant' wait to see how they turn this into a sam's club
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Press release from DART with a rendering and a garage schematic.
https://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=1443
https://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=1443
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I’m sure at ground level it will look like a Frisco office park.
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Thanks Mike!
I count 21, 11, and 13 floors above ground on the buildings in the hi-res TC rendering on this press release.
I count 21, 11, and 13 floors above ground on the buildings in the hi-res TC rendering on this press release.
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The rendering focuses on Trees and an already built Dart station instead of the actual new development -____-
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Not to mention the rendering above is a concept rendering like this schematic I am adding here. DART and Trammell agreed to a development plan but not the final design. Keep in mind that the underground garage is mostly for the DART station. The towers above will still have parking garage podiums for those new buildings as I understand it.
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I like the density of the project but fail to see the logic behind putting that much parking in what is supposed to be a transit oriented development.
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^yet it's being cheered from the mountain tops as proof DART works to create economic opportunity by causing "transit-oriented development"...
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Bategeler wrote:I like the density of the project but fail to see the logic behind putting that much parking in what is supposed to be a transit oriented development.
I assumed the ample parking was in the interest of encouraging the station's park-and-ride appeal.
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eburress wrote:Bategeler wrote:I like the density of the project but fail to see the logic behind putting that much parking in what is supposed to be a transit oriented development.
I assumed the ample parking was in the interest of encouraging the station's park-and-ride appeal.
I kept thinking DART must be requiring a 1:1 replacement of the surface lots or something close to that, and as cowboyeagle said, the new towers will each have their own podium garage. This DART presentation (PDF) I just found has more detail about that and the whole plan:
https://www.dart.org/about/board/boardagendas/wholeitem16_10dec19.pdf
DART surface parking spaces will be reduced from 720 to 500 and relocated into an underground garage built by the developer in Phase 1a concurrent with residential tower
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Steve Brown wrote about this project today.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2020/04/29/apartment-tower-in-the-works-at-darts-mockingbird-rail-station/
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2020/04/29/apartment-tower-in-the-works-at-darts-mockingbird-rail-station/
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There was a transit oriented webcast by city on Monday. Sounds like they are working to increase walkablity in streets around Downtown & surrounding neighborhoods. They would like to make a few other stations into a Mockingbird Station development. Also finalizing plans at how to get the ugly surface parking lot owners to develop or at the very least make them look better with landscaping. I remember them mentioning KC & Seattle as examples on how to make these parking lots harder to just buy and sit on. They mentioned making parking lots around DART rail/street car lines have higher city fees or taxes. Smarter people on here can listen to it and maybe explain it better though.
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Not the prettiest of the new towers going up but sure does seem to be a decent amount of density coming up around MS.
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Tnexster wrote:Not the prettiest of the new towers going up but sure does seem to be a decent amount of density coming up around MS.
I think for what it is, infill, on a lot that's been underused for decades .. this is a big win.
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It is a big win for this area. Although the fact that Trammel Crow is the developer should make everyone lower their expectations on architecture, style, mixed-use, etc.
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Goat Hill Hampton Inn part deux?
The only thing I would like to see is a retail plan. I do not expect a huge retail block here like a another phase of Mockingbird station but it would be nice to see if there will be any serious ground floor space in any of the towers they plan to build.
The only thing I would like to see is a retail plan. I do not expect a huge retail block here like a another phase of Mockingbird station but it would be nice to see if there will be any serious ground floor space in any of the towers they plan to build.
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I wonder how many people even noticed this tower even going up in 2020. . .
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CTroyMathis wrote:I wonder how many people even noticed this tower even going up in 2020. . .
Guilty!! I'm looking at these pictures and I'm like "WTF when did this happen"??
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I'm also guilty, I completely forgot about this one. What a great problem to have, I wonder how many other towers will quickly rise up while still flying under the radar going forward.
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How did I miss this one, right on Central Expressway? Weird. I'm blaming it on Covid-19.
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Dallas’ new Eastline residential tower has SMU views and DART line at the door
Luxury high-rise will open early next year next to Mockingbird Station on U.S. 75.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -the-door/
Luxury high-rise will open early next year next to Mockingbird Station on U.S. 75.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -the-door/
A new North Dallas residential tower plans to open its doors early in 2021 after almost two years of construction.
The 28-story Eastline Residences apartment high-rise is the tallest building in the area just east of Southern Methodist University.
The 330-unit luxury rental community off U.S. Highway 75 is next door to DART’s SMU/Mockingbird rail station and the popular Mockingbird Station retail development.
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Great news! I'm glad to see a bit more density right next to a DART station.
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Once the DART lots are built on, this area will be a lot different.
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R1070 wrote:Once the DART lots are built on, this area will be a lot different.
Does anyone know what the master plan is for the lots? I hoped the kroger gets redeveloped to mixed use.
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The back lot will be the first developed with two office towers (I believe). The large front lot will be converted to underground parking with a mixed use of towers on top.
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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Does anyone know what the master plan is for the lots? I hoped the kroger gets redeveloped to mixed use.
R1070 wrote:The back lot will be the first developed with two office towers (I believe). The large front lot will be converted to underground parking with a mixed use of towers on top.
Maybe it has changed since, but this story from April says construction of the underground parking is phase 1, with apartments on the back lot next to Kroger as phases 2 and 3. Other renderings elsewhere show office/hotel/retail being built afterwards above the new underground garage.
https://lakewood.advocatemag.com/2020/0 ... lopment-2/
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Photo of Eastline, because why not. It was there on the horizon and never got much love last year.
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I really hope the south side along mockingbird gets rebuilt soon. This area could really turn into an entirely new part of town.
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tamtagon wrote:I really hope the south side along mockingbird gets rebuilt soon. This area could really turn into an entirely new part of town.
Agreed. Would love to see Mockingbird Central Plaza redone, as well as the surface lots just north of Mockingbird (can't tell/unsure of if those are the lots that are in the development plans for more towers). Anyways, can't wait to see a bit more density here. The fact that this TOD is seemingly improving as time goes on is so nice to see in Dallas...
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OrangeMike wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Does anyone know what the master plan is for the lots? I hoped the kroger gets redeveloped to mixed use.R1070 wrote:The back lot will be the first developed with two office towers (I believe). The large front lot will be converted to underground parking with a mixed use of towers on top.
Maybe it has changed since, but this story from April says construction of the underground parking is phase 1, with apartments on the back lot next to Kroger as phases 2 and 3. Other renderings elsewhere show office/hotel/retail being built afterwards above the new underground garage.
https://lakewood.advocatemag.com/2020/0 ... lopment-2/
https://dallascityhall.com/departments/ ... mittal.pdf
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High-rise apartments planned for Mockingbird rail station
$117 million rental tower would be built on DART parking lot with city support.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... l-station/
$117 million rental tower would be built on DART parking lot with city support.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... l-station/
Developers are seeking Dallas city support for a high-rise transit-oriented development near Southern Methodist University.
Trammell Crow Co.’s High Street Residential is planning the 18-story apartment tower adjacent to DART’s Mockingbird Station rail stop. The site is just east of SMU and U.S. Highway 75.
The new rental high-rise would cost more than $117 million and includes 429 apartments, according to documents filed with Dallas’ Economic Development Committee.
The developer is asking for up to $29 million in city tax increment finance district funds to pay for public infrastructure improvements and to provide affordable rental units in the new tower.
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Love to see these TOD projects continue to grow and develop.
I can't believe the developer has the nerve to ask taxpayers to foot the bill for 25% of the cost of the project. My understanding was that DART and the City of Dallas has already promised to pay to for "public infrastructure improvements" in the form of new underground parking garages to replace the surface lots. But then again, the developers know that all they have to do is ask for tax dollars and the wallet will magically open.
I can't believe the developer has the nerve to ask taxpayers to foot the bill for 25% of the cost of the project. My understanding was that DART and the City of Dallas has already promised to pay to for "public infrastructure improvements" in the form of new underground parking garages to replace the surface lots. But then again, the developers know that all they have to do is ask for tax dollars and the wallet will magically open.
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Agreed, not a fan of the tax incentives part of it and hope they don't get it.
Other than that, I've been very pleased with all the development happening around Mockingbird Station. I have no idea if that has lead to increased ridership at this specific station though, but at least the surrounding land is being put to great use.
Other than that, I've been very pleased with all the development happening around Mockingbird Station. I have no idea if that has lead to increased ridership at this specific station though, but at least the surrounding land is being put to great use.
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Anyone know what they Intend to do with the Kroger? The suburban strip mall store seems really out of place.
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Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Anyone know what they Intend to do with the Kroger? The suburban strip mall store seems really out of place.
This is probably Kroger's #1 store in the D/FW market, so I'd expect they'll resist any changes to the store or it's location.
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Yeah until the parking lots are full next to DART there will never be pressure on Kroger to change plus the neighborhood likes having a suburban store. Trust me the urban dwellers that will live in the new towers will be fine having a suburban store cause they can still easily walk to it via the parking lot. The rest of the neighborhood will not want to urbanize too much.
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cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yeah until the parking lots are full next to DART there will never be pressure on Kroger to change plus the neighborhood likes having a suburban store. Trust me the urban dwellers that will live in the new towers will be fine having a suburban store cause they can still easily walk to it via the parking lot. The rest of the neighborhood will not want to urbanize too much.
They may eventually go for a sunken garage if necessary. Kroger owns Ralph's in Southern California and they build several multistory garages for their LA urban stores. It wouldn't surprise me.
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rono3849 wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Anyone know what they Intend to do with the Kroger? The suburban strip mall store seems really out of place.
This is probably Kroger's #1 store in the D/FW market, so I'd expect they'll resist any changes to the store or it's location.
I would be interested to know high volume Kroger stores in DFW. This one is busy, but I have also heard that the Cedar Springs location is a high volume performer.