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Re: West End 1.0

Postby DPatel304 » 26 Apr 2019 13:27

Whoops, you're exactly right.

This low quality picture from 2007 made me think there was a bit of a ramp, but it was just the quality of the pic:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7837401 ... 328!8i1664

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 07 May 2019 09:13

Maybe I missed this, but has DCCCD released any detailed plans for their Dallas Education and Innovation Hub? $535 million of the $1B bond package that just passed will be used for this, which DMN said "would include a business training center, which would mean completely redesigning the El Centro campus to accommodate it."

By "completely redesigning it", I'm assuming there would be some noticeable exterior changes including new construction.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Tucy » 07 May 2019 12:20

lakewoodhobo wrote:Maybe I missed this, but has DCCD released any detailed plans for their Dallas Education and Innovation Hub? $535 million of the $1B bond package that just passed will be used for this, which DMN said "would include a business training center, which would mean completely redesigning the El Centro campus to accommodate it."

By "completely redesigning it", I'm assuming there would be some noticeable exterior changes including new construction.


There was a story in the DMN last week that said they would be "replacing the existing El Centro College" and "A site for the new campus has not yet been decided"

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2019/05/03/schools-want-texans-approve-billions-dollars-spending-find-saturdays-ballot

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Tnexster » 07 May 2019 20:39

If memory serves this new innovation and tech campus is something similar to what was proposed when Amazon was looking at Dallas, that education piece was deemed too important to abandon once Amazon chose another location. So, in essence...its a carrot.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Kelley USA » 08 May 2019 12:48

D Magazine has a pretty good article that should shed some light on the future DCCCD Campus. No designs as of yet and no location chosen as of yet. Probably should make this into a separate thread as it moves along...

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... s/?ref=mpw

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 May 2019 13:46

Yeah sounds like they are very much on an early concept level. What is interesting is they want to do on campus housing but with a third party. Sounds like this new campus will not be anything like their current community college campus model. I could see them salvaging some of their current campus into student housing. The oldest historic parts along with the more recent addition facing Main Street could become a better lifestyle/fitness center with the Market Street side torn down for a brand new housing structure. DCCCD owns the Paramount building as well and that ugly office building at the corner of Market and Elm stuffed in between a few historic structures. They also have a lease at One Main Place. They could leverage some of their existing real estate in the West End but I surmise they really want to build some brand new campus that's not restricted by Historical district regulations.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Matt777 » 08 May 2019 14:18

A flagship college for DCCCD would be an awesome thing for Downtown Dallas. There was a state bill proposal in 2017 to allow DCCCD to offer 4 year degrees. Collin College is about to start offering 4 year bachelor degrees. A full fledged college with student housing Downtown would offer a positive jolt to the area and some more life. El Centro already offers a good array of non-traditional programs like culinary and fashion, so adding some STEM and business to the mix would make a well rounded institution for those seeking an alternative to the bigger, expensive public universities.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Jbarn » 08 May 2019 15:04

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Yeah sounds like they are very much on an early concept level. What is interesting is they want to do on campus housing but with a third party. Sounds like this new campus will not be anything like their current community college campus model. I could see them salvaging some of their current campus into student housing. The oldest historic parts along with the more recent addition facing Main Street could become a better lifestyle/fitness center with the Market Street side torn down for a brand new housing structure. DCCCD owns the Paramount building as well and that ugly office building at the corner of Market and Elm stuffed in between a few historic structures. They also have a lease at One Main Place. They could leverage some of their existing real estate in the West End but I surmise they really want to build some brand new campus that's not restricted by Historical district regulations.


I have concerns that they are going to build a new facility and abandon their current facility. It would be awful to have their current facility sit empty for years, as that is a big piece of property. It would zap all energy out of that part of downtown. It seems like they really should have provided more details as to their plans prior to putting this up for a vote. For instance, how do they know how much the new campus is going to cost if they don’t even know where it is going?

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 08 May 2019 16:23

Jbarn wrote:For instance, how do they know how much the new campus is going to cost if they don’t even know where it is going?


This. I was surprised to read that they have an exact number allocated for this new campus but no decision on where it'll be located. Would not mind seeing 801 Main St completely redeveloped but if I had known that this bond program was for El Centro to leave downtown, I would've actively campaigned against it.

Maybe they have their eye on the Dallas Morning News building on Young, who knows.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby exelone31 » 19 Jun 2019 11:16

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2019/06/the-neon-arches-are-returning-to-the-west-end/

Next Wednesday, the neon arches will return to the West End. Sort of.

They won’t be the Dallas Alley connector between the now-shuttered West End MarketPlace and the old Coca Cola Building. And they won’t burn neon; they’ll be filled with tiny LEDs and controlled via a computer program, which will allow them to reflect the colors of the Dallas Mavericks or the Stars or whatever design a young artist might come up with. They’ll be under Woodall Rodgers at Lamar, the new pass-through between the West End and booming Victory Park.


Great to hear that there is continued focus on the connection between Victory Park and the West End. There's a lot going on in each area, so putting a little effort into making it easier/safer to go back and forth is a win.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 19 Jun 2019 12:19

I've always wished for skate park right there.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby eburress » 19 Jun 2019 12:39

That's awesome...I'm glad they're coming back! It won't be the Dallas Alley of old, but it's still something.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby vman » 20 Jun 2019 08:27

eburress wrote:That's awesome...I'm glad they're coming back! It won't be the Dallas Alley of old, but it's still something.

And they're going to make a great backdrop for the Instagram fanatics.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 27 Jun 2019 11:10

Image

Also, I wonder what happened to the Planet Hollywood dragon. Wouldn't mind seeing him moved to this spot or maybe the giant empty plaza on the Victory side.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby exelone31 » 27 Jun 2019 12:53

lakewoodhobo wrote:Also, I wonder what happened to the Planet Hollywood dragon. Wouldn't mind seeing him moved to this spot or maybe the giant empty plaza on the Victory side.


I'll have to track down the article, but I think it was sold to someone out in Amarillo or something like that.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 27 Jun 2019 14:35

This looks cheap. They look Like RGB lights for a gaming PC. I thought they would have at least put them plastic tubes to look like neon lights.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Cbdallas » 27 Jun 2019 15:08

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:This looks cheap. They look Like RGB lights for a gaming PC. I thought they would have at least put them plastic tubes to look like neon lights.


Same thoughts a simple plastic sleeve would have made it look like the old neon.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby uptown74 » 27 Jun 2019 18:24

Cbdallas wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:This looks cheap. They look Like RGB lights for a gaming PC. I thought they would have at least put them plastic tubes to look like neon lights.


Same thoughts a simple plastic sleeve would have made it look like the old neon.


and it looks like they only lit up every other arch :(

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby quixomniac » 27 Jun 2019 22:28

LED strips are super cheap, literally $20 on amazon. Why not do the whole thing including the Dallas Alley part?
Is it that hard to wire up some LED, strap them to a pole, maintain them ocassionally and put on some plastic?
A plastic sleeve would have done wonders. If someone started a fundraising campaign to do the whole thing, im sure there would be plenty of interest.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Cbdallas » 28 Jun 2019 09:37

Imagine how great it would look with each one lit and extend it back into the West End buildings with the sleeves over the neon.

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 28 Jun 2019 12:10

Cbdallas wrote:Imagine how great it would look with each one lit and extend it back into the West End buildings with the sleeves over the neon.


So the arches that were in the alley were actually removed during the renovation

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Re: West End 1.0

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jun 2019 15:39

Also, I don't believe every arch was lit in the original version. I believe the part under the highway was always every other arch. The other problem is that the lights originally actually lit up the ground cause they were brighter I believe. These are only on the part of the arch facing towards your eyes but not the ground. Definitely a let down with all the publicity they stirred up. They could have done this and mentioned it in a newsletter.


These are the lights in the actual alley where the arches were removed and more traditional hanging pendant lights were added by Granite Properties. I think the highway section was every other arch though and I can not find an image of that section online anymore. Notice the neon is on the bottom of the arches facing the ground meaning more light is pointed towards the sidewalk.
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Re: West End 1.0

Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Jul 2019 11:17

I'm not a fan of these trivial rebranding efforts like South Victory, but could there be a benefit to carving out a section here to separate Historic West End from the tech-centric new West End? It would include the new Holocaust Museum, Factory 603, the Luminary, West End Square and just about everything north of Ross, perhaps even buildings north of Woodall Rodgers like the Brewery and House of Blues. Part of the idea would be to separate it from the "bad elements" that people associate with DART, El Centro and the other county buildings.

Anyway, curious to know how something like that would be received.

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