Uptown Dallas: 23 Springs (~399FT | 26 ST)

PonyUp13 · Post by **PonyUp13** » 14 Jul 2018 14:41

That rendering shows exactly what’s wrong with that plan. Their “green space” is across from another plot of small “green space” which surrounds that massive hole the crescent had right there. Why doesn’t Crescent Court’s retail do well? No question it’s because Cedar Springs from lower Mac to the trail is a car oriented mess with no foot traffic outside 10pm - 2 am on weekends.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 16 Jul 2018 09:53

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Dallas a city that champions "urban lite" so you can still drive a fully loaded truck and park without consequences anywhere you want and tell yourself you are a modern urban millennial.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 16 Jul 2018 10:08

The worst part of that statement of mine is those who are anti-urban redevelopment walkable, transit etc will misunderstand what I mean when it comes to my expectations of individual transportation and its role in urban Dallas redevelopment. We will all see what we want in my statement condemnation and validation depending on what side of the discussion we agree with.

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 23 Oct 2018 17:32

The FAA knocked this one down to 289', which is not new news. But, I must've forgot a circularized case was still pending for 399'. Feedback was due a week ago from aviation parties.
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/se ... 7252&row=7
https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/le ... =384565013

homeworld1031tx · Post by **homeworld1031tx** » 11 Feb 2019 11:16

Did this one ever start? A post earlier said the expected start date was Oct '18 but the DMN article noted that "Current leases at Cedar Maple Plaza run through 2020, so any new construction is still a ways off."

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 11 Feb 2019 11:56

They're sure letting the maintenance of the existing buildings go, which is sad to see. Such a shame and such a waste.

Matt777 · Post by **Matt777** » 11 Feb 2019 12:24

Hopefully they're rethinking the entire design as it is a step back in urbanity. Build out the original 1980s plan and scale it taller if needed. That plan blended in with the neighborhood and was pedestrian friendly. They could probably even squeeze out more rentable office space and retail space than their proposal. I don't see why this has to be so hard for today's Dallas developers.

Kelley USA · Post by **Kelley USA** » 09 Jan 2020 10:00

Couldn't really find the old thread for Maple Terrace, and didn't think it was worth starting a new one... so I'll post this here since it's same neighborhood and a block away. But Hines has purchased the Maple Terrace Apartments. Curious what that might mean. I know in the past new residential towers and I think there was even a rumor of Four Seasons looking to build a hotel here on the available land.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... developer/

Post by **Tnexster** » 09 Jan 2020 10:09

^Agreed, good placement!

homeworld1031tx · Post by **homeworld1031tx** » 09 Jan 2020 12:40

Did the original thread topic project ever get underway? They did end up demolishing the French style buildings here, right?

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 09 Jan 2020 13:03

homeworld1031tx wrote:Did the original thread topic project ever get underway? They did end up demolishing the French style buildings here, right?

Not on that site nothing has started. I don't believe any move-outs have even been seen on the site.

Post by **Tnexster** » 09 Jan 2020 21:01

Was supposed to start in October but maybe some of the other projects underway in Uptown have taken some of the momentum away from this one. Never know, maybe they did a redesign and will have something to show us soon.

kingpin · Post by **kingpin** » 10 Jan 2020 14:48

Tnexster wrote:Was supposed to start in October but maybe some of the other projects underway in Uptown have taken some of the momentum away from this one. Never know, maybe they did a redesign and will have something to show us soon.

i found this on bisnow...

https://www.bisnow.com/dallas-ft-worth/news/office/uptown-dallas-is-like-studio-54-everyone-in-cre-wants-in-but-its-getting-crowded-101813

Granite Properties is a real-life example of this hold-and-develop strategy in Uptown. The company purchased three low-rise buildings in the Uptown area in 2011 and plans to transform the site into a top-tier office product within the next three years.

"It's currently called Cedar Maple Plaza," Granite Properties Senior Managing Director Will Hendrickson said. "We've already been through the entitlement process, and we are now in the process of winding down the current leases we have in place."

Once the leases run out, Granite will launch construction in the first quarter of 2021, creating a new office product with 17K SF for restaurant development.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 10 Jan 2020 14:52

Ugh, redesign pleaseeeeeee.

Post by **Tnexster** » 10 Jan 2020 15:05

Okay so they are a year away from groundbreaking, maybe something will change between now and then.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 10 Jan 2020 17:48

Yeah, even the project on Field Street in Downtown with all those highrises is planned to start before this one.

rasec33 · Post by **rasec33** » 14 Jun 2020 18:04

https://gff.com/view/23-springs/

Post by **Tnexster** » 14 Jun 2020 18:17

Is this still going forward as planned?

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 14 Jun 2020 19:40

I like the building, but the valet drive up in that location is odd and reduces the urbanity of this streetscape.

Also, isn’t there a 30 story apt bldg supposed to go up next to this? That will be a nice change to that area. If only we could get a better project on the former Old Warsaw land as well.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 14 Jun 2020 22:18

23Springs.jpg

I've seen no evidence that this project is near breaking ground. With so many other buildings under construction, this one may sit on the shelf for awhile.

homeworld1031tx · Post by **homeworld1031tx** » 15 Jun 2020 11:20

Have the 'french style' low rise offices that are on this site been vacated yet?

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 15 Jun 2020 12:12

Last time I passed by two weeks ago it appeared as nothing has changed. Does someone else have more info?

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 26 Jun 2020 08:44

New Uptown tower will include restaurants and park space

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ark-space/

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 26 Jun 2020 09:04

dallaz wrote:New Uptown tower will include restaurants and park space

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ark-space/

Here's Steve's headline almost exactly two years ago (about this same project); he does love any opportunity to use the phrase "booming Uptown district":

"Uptown Dallas office high-rise project will include park and restaurant buildings"

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... buildings/

By the way, apparently the building has gone from 28 stories down to 26 stories.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 26 Jun 2020 14:23

Instead of that park and other restaurant, I’d rather there be a hotel or residential building.

clcrash19 · Post by **clcrash19** » 26 Jun 2020 14:49

Is this the same thing as the 30 story tower or is that next door on the same site plan?

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 26 Jun 2020 15:05

Yeah they label it like its gonna be Klyde Warren but it will be a green space that security will run off people if they don't like what they are doing. They talk about it like they are gifting land to the city for a public park. I am all for more public spaces in our urban environment but it's not like people will use this lawn to walk their dog or have a picnic. It is a manicured lawn like every ranch home in the suburbs. Green but largely for show and never used. Is it better than a valet parking lot yes it is a valuable space for the office workers nope.

I45Tex · Post by **I45Tex** » 26 Jun 2020 16:22

clcrash19 wrote:Is this the same thing as the 30 story tower or is that next door on the same site plan?

That's 2401 McKinney (Trammell Crow with Pickard Chilton designing).

But GFF is also the designer of 2500 Cedar Springs upcoming for the Ryan Companies.

And behind that is the planned Quadrangle redevelopment.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 26 Jun 2020 19:02

There’s a 30 floor apt building planned close by next to uchi.

eburress · Post by **eburress** » 27 Jun 2020 11:12

Yep! Assuming economic forces don't undermine it, this immediate area is about to get a lot more vertical!

Post by **Tnexster** » 27 Jun 2020 12:53

Why did they shrink it to 26 from 28?

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 14 Mar 2021 07:26

I found this. It was just posted a few days ago. I think it’s new...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SndkkPhtf ... e=youtu.be

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 14 Mar 2021 15:08

Not too excited about this one. I don't like the circular drive in the front. Zoning should force that to the back of the building or the garage.

Tucy · Post by **Tucy** » 14 Mar 2021 15:45

R1070 wrote:Not too excited about this one. I don't like the circular drive in the front. Zoning should force that to the back of the building or the garage.

Not to worry. Since they are still offering office leases in the three buildings that are slated to be replaced by this proposed structure . . .

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 14 Mar 2021 17:21

Nice. I like what’s currently there.

Post by **CTroyMathis** » 22 Sep 2021 18:32

Update:

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/TABS/Search/ ... 2022001498

Code: Select all

Project Name:
    23 Springs
Project Number:
    TABS2022001498
Facility Name:
    23 Springs
Location Address:
    2323 Cedar Springs Road
    Dallas, TX 75201
Location County:
    Dallas

Start Date:
    6/1/2022
Completion Date:
    6/1/2025
Estimated Cost:
    $169,000,000
Type of Work:
    New Construction
Type of Funds:
    This project is privately funded, on private land for private use.
Scope of Work:
    New construction of a 26-story spec office building, 1-story restaurant, with 6 levels below grade parking
Square Footage:
    669,591 ft 2

Post by **tamtagon** » 22 Sep 2021 18:53

They just keep coming!

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 22 Sep 2021 19:57

The valet needs to be moved away from the front.

Post by **cowboyeagle05** » 23 Sep 2021 08:44

Ugh I was hoping this one would die off already. It's a badly designed project and I will always argue that in my mind but Granite Properties gets to do what they wanna do.

Post by **Tnexster** » 23 Sep 2021 11:30

Optimism abounds, I don't mind seeing fresh cranes on the skyline.

Post by **undefinedprocess** » 23 Sep 2021 12:02

Yeah I agree, valet should be moved, but this would be nice to see for the area (I think?). Definitely would be some good height and at least there's some ground-floor action.

Erick_g02 · Post by **Erick_g02** » 23 Sep 2021 12:55

I don't like the layout of the project but sure do like the height. This thing will tower over the immediate vicinity. With a 6/1/22 construction start date, does this mean that structures there will be demolished before then?

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 23 Sep 2021 13:43

I like the structures that are currently there. I wish this could be built behind them instead.

rono3849 · Post by **rono3849** » 23 Sep 2021 19:41

R1070 wrote:I like the structures that are currently there. I wish this could be built behind them instead.

TC.Tower.mckinney.jpg

Hwood.14.jpg

Since Trammell Crow tower on McKinney will begin construction after the first of the year & Harwood #14 is emerging from the ground now along Harry Hines Blvd, I suspect this tower will be put on the back burner for some time to come. The Uptown market appears to be settling in for a time period of absorption of space. Even Harwood has put the brakes on announcing its #12 tower despite the fence banners on its site.

dallaz · Post by **dallaz** » 04 Apr 2022 07:59

Uptown tower project gets a green light thanks to major bank lease and funding

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... d-funding/

A major Uptown Dallas development is set for a June groundbreaking thanks to a new tenant and funding.

Granite Properties has been working on plans for its 23Springs office tower across from the Crescent for almost four years.

The 26-story tower would replace three small office buildings at the corner of Cedar Springs Road and Maple Avenue.

Bank OZK — formerly Bank of the Ozarks — just signed a lease for more than 110,000 square feet of space in the project and will provide construction financing for the development.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 04 Apr 2022 09:24

I like the building, but HATE that the city approved it to be set back from the street with a valet lot at that major corner. All parking should be pushed out of sight from major streets in Uptown.

Cbdallas · Post by **Cbdallas** » 04 Apr 2022 10:37

Maple Avenue has some serious building activity happening and about to happen all the way from Oak Lawn to McKinney ave.

IcedCowboyCoffee · Post by **IcedCowboyCoffee** » 04 Apr 2022 11:30

R1070 wrote:I like the building, but HATE that the city approved it to be set back from the street with a valet lot at that major corner. All parking should be pushed out of sight from major streets in Uptown.

I don't expect anything less from the uptown area. Despite its density it is shockingly unwalkable and I don't see that ever changing. It's a pseudo-urban neighborhood and I'm largely burned out on caring about developments in the area since that's apparently what folks there want.

R1070 · Post by **R1070** » 04 Apr 2022 11:54

Yea, I've given up as well. It is what it is at this point. Dallas has a small area it could actually create a very vibrant urban experience unique to the rest of the Metroplex, but continues to allow designs found in Legacy - Plano.

Tivo_Kenevil · Post by **Tivo_Kenevil** » 04 Apr 2022 13:21

R1070 wrote:Yea, I've given up as well. It is what it is at this point. Dallas has a small area it could actually create a very vibrant urban experience unique to the rest of the Metroplex, but continues to allow designs found in Legacy - Plano.

Sounds about right.. just like all sun belt cities.