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Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby I45Tex » 29 Jun 2017 16:21

http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailCom.aspx?ID=00C7713000TOWER00

http://www.datumengineers.com/assets/fi ... 20Book.pdf

http://www.datumengineers.com/assets/fi ... ctures.pdf

The last link states, for Cityplace,
"6, 7 & 9 Levels
9,000 Cars
2,500,000 Sq. Ft.
Post-Tensioned Concrete
1989"

while the first link states,
Parking Garage
8 stories
964,000 Sq. Ft.
1985

Now, other sources place the number of underground spaces at Tower at Cityplace between 3,300 and 3,400, which seems to mean a lot of the designed garage just wasn't completed. But is it really true that Cityplace goes eight levels underground? I haven't been inside, but always enjoyed seeing the stacked lobby atria from the freeway at night. This would make it another 50-story building, by the way.

Since the million square feet underground have (per the DallasCAD link) a footprint 79,000 sq. ft. larger than the above ground portion, and were built to be built atop, feel free to move posts over to this thread from the Xerox/ACS site -- itself the 7/11 HQ for a decade or two before 2711 (clever) was built -- conversation.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby tamtagon » 30 Jul 2017 09:49

That's enough parking to serve an entirely rebuilt Target shopping center.

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Postby Tnexster » 30 Jul 2017 15:36

I actually think it would be fun to go see this place.

Here lie the remains of a Dallas skyscraper that was never built

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... ever-built

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 16 Aug 2018 11:16

Dallas' landmark Cityplace Tower has a new owner
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -new-owner

The high-profile building on the edge of Dallas' Uptown district was acquired by Dallas' Highland Capital Management.

Along with the office tower, the property that Highland Capital acquired includes underground parking for additional buildings that were never constructed on the site.

Parmenter Realty had prepared plans to build apartment, hotel and office space on along Haskell Avenue but never moved forward with those plans.


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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 17 Aug 2018 08:23

Let's hope they don't just slap some one-story restaurant space on the developable areas and call it done...

Planned improvements include upgrades to common areas and amenities, as well as adding new retail space and restaurants.


Let's take note of whats already been done. They upgraded the exterior lights to LED but don't appear to have made it possible to animate them. Also didn't the previous owner already redo the gym and lights in the common areas?

This seems like a tower that has had trouble finding its goal posts. It's still in a transitional spot and it has more going for it than many other older properties around Downtown. Access to a full-service grocery Kroger store, Target, LA Fitness signature. It's not a high-end area but those newish apartments are charging Uptown prices. It seems like with the right investment City Place tower could see quite the uptick in leasing for sure. I wonder why every owner skips on the development on the grounds?

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby Tnexster » 17 Aug 2018 09:19

Is there a disconnect being across the freeway from most of Cityplace. Not that I am an advocate of another park deck but the Cityplace area strikes me as a decent location for that kind of park bridge to reconnect west side to east side.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby lakewoodhobo » 17 Aug 2018 09:51

Tnexster wrote:Is there a disconnect being across the freeway from most of Cityplace. Not that I am an advocate of another park deck but the Cityplace area strikes me as a decent location for that kind of park bridge to reconnect west side to east side.


I think the only disconnect is that there's nothing "cool" to do on that side. All of Uptown is willing to shop there and work out there, but where is the chef-driven restaurant or the kombucha on tap?

If Eataly and The Central ever get started, that might all start to change. Maybe all that Cityplace Tower needs on the periphery is low-density retail.

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Postby Cbdallas » 17 Aug 2018 09:53

A big help would be to match the sidewalks and landscaping on that side with what you see in Uptown. That is the disconnect as you cross over central you immediately notice that you have left uptown.

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 17 Aug 2018 12:50

Cbdallas wrote:That is the disconnect as you cross over central you immediately notice that you have left uptown.


OK, but is there a downside? :D

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 17 Aug 2018 16:35

It is that area caught between Deep Ellum, Downtown, Uptown and Baylor/East Dallas and Henderson so despite having a major icon of a tower with a recognizable name its lost with no identity of place. Its a pass through with neighborhood service businesses that any of those other areas would love to have closer access to if they had the chance. Its just has nothing that endears people to belong to it and wants more from it. So what we get is owner after owner of Cityplace who wants to invest to make their property worth more but still won't commit to doing more than changing out light bulbs and mowing the grass.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby lakewoodhobo » 25 Feb 2019 15:33

New owners spending millions to redo Dallas' landmark CityPlace Tower
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... lace-tower

Cityplace Tower's owners just filed building permits for more than $9 million in upgrades to the huge office project at 2711 N. Haskell. Real estate brokers say that redevelopment plans for the Cityplace Tower include adding more amenities for the office tenants plus bringing mixed-use to the project.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby DPatel304 » 25 Feb 2019 16:36

Yes!! It's about time. I really just want to see the exterior re-developed to actually be something other than a fortress, but perhaps I'm expecting too much.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby CRE_Investor » 25 Feb 2019 17:29

It's nice to hear something is happening, but don't expect to see much if anything on the outside based on a $9MM building permit for a 30 year old 1.3MM SF office building.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby NdoorTX » 25 Feb 2019 17:32

yeah- I was excited, but for 9 million that's not going to be enough to make a huge impact unless there is a missing zero. I'm hoping this and the mixed-use comes to fruition. Haven't we heard this twice before regarding City Place Tower in recent years?

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby Matt777 » 25 Feb 2019 21:16

For $9 million, I would think it's more repairs and nip/tuck versus a total re-do. And I'm okay with that. I like the 80s design of the building, the light fixtures, etc, but many of the light fixtures along the surrounding roads are broken and need to be repaired. I hope they don't try to "modernize" it with lots of white paint, glass, LEDs. The new exterior LED lights look terrible compared to the original IMHO. The old look was classy.

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Postby muncien » 26 Feb 2019 09:14

The way it is worded, it sounds like the $9M is allocated to the upgrades. The 'mixed use' part is almost mentioned as an afterthought. I wouldn't be surprised if these two were not tied together and on very different timelines. 'Upgrades' to these types of buildings tend to kick off almost immediately, while adding new structures would likely take a couple of years.
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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby Cbdallas » 26 Feb 2019 10:26

There were some plans going around a few years back under different owners that showed midrise apartment building and retail around the base of that building but it never took off. Would love to see that density realized there especially with the DART subway stop.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby Cbdallas » 26 Feb 2019 16:07

This was Parameter Realty Partners drawing for what they wanted to do with Cityplace.
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Postby emmasensei » 26 Feb 2019 16:55

I'm trying to understand the orientation in that rendering. Is that supposed to be people making the trek across a tree-lined Central Expressway on foot? Or is the Expressway in the background of the drawing?

I am dying to be able to comfortably cross the Expressway on foot or on bike. I live just off Henderson Ave and often cross over into Knox on foot, but it's such a depressing, tree-less experience. It's frustrating that the two sides are so segregated, and trying to bike down that end of Henderson is taking your life in your hands.

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Postby dfwcre8tive » 26 Feb 2019 17:17

emmasensei wrote:I'm trying to understand the orientation in that rendering. Is that supposed to be people making the trek across a tree-lined Central Expressway on foot? Or is the Expressway in the background of the drawing?

I am dying to be able to comfortably cross the Expressway on foot or on bike. I live just off Henderson Ave and often cross over into Knox on foot, but it's such a depressing, tree-less experience. It's frustrating that the two sides are so segregated, and trying to bike down that end of Henderson is taking your life in your hands.


That's looking from N. Haskell.

Here's another view of the original plans.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby DPatel304 » 26 Feb 2019 17:46

emmasensei wrote:I am dying to be able to comfortably cross the Expressway on foot or on bike. I live just off Henderson Ave and often cross over into Knox on foot, but it's such a depressing, tree-less experience. It's frustrating that the two sides are so segregated, and trying to bike down that end of Henderson is taking your life in your hands.


This made me think of this crossing in Arlington:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7601394 ... 384!8i8192

There's still room for improvement (with trees and greenery), but they've made a decent attempt here. I really wonder if this gets used at all, though.

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Re: Cityplace East: 2711 N. Haskell

Postby ArtVandelay » 26 Feb 2019 18:56

The twin towers would have been sweeet


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