willyk wrote:The consolidation is impressive but other than that, this is not a very good site. It's the deadest corner of downtown, with no real connectivity to the action in KWP or EMC. It connects to the Arts District, but it's not in it so no cachet for that. I just can't see anyone getting excited about working or living in the one office or residential building that they might be able to finance in the current market.
muncien wrote:This development really needs to put residential first and foremost. If that means it needs to change hands, than so be it. I don't see the demand (regardless of use) for anything more than midrise here. But, I think a primarily mid-rise residential (most likely rental) development with retail at key corners would work wonders to create a viable neighborhood if done right.
Everything they've proposed so far is more suburban style that pretends to be urban, and will simply be a ghost town if ever built... Which it won't be because the last thing in demand here is high-density office space.
That's my take on it anyway... Time will tell.
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:No...
All Stadiums in Car Dependant cities bring either Large Hulking Garages or even worse a sea of parking lots with them. If u want to draw people to area consistently and not swallow an area with parking then a stadium isn't the best way to do it.
I'd rather have this project as is and let it evolve naturally with what's to come on Ross.
eburress wrote:Tivo_Kenevil wrote:No...
All Stadiums in Car Dependant cities bring either Large Hulking Garages or even worse a sea of parking lots with them. If u want to draw people to area consistently and not swallow an area with parking then a stadium isn't the best way to do it.
I'd rather have this project as is and let it evolve naturally with what's to come on Ross.
As is, this project isn't happening.
Though there are plenty of examples of stadiums sparking inner city development (San Diego and Seattle off the top of my head), the point isn't that it needs to be a stadium but that there needs to be something to draw development to this isolated, undesirable corner of Downtown. Replace the stadium with an outdoor performance venue or whatever other fun stuff folks prefer and my point remains.
muncien wrote:This development really needs to put residential first and foremost. If that means it needs to change hands, than so be it. I don't see the demand (regardless of use) for anything more than midrise here. But, I think a primarily mid-rise residential (most likely rental) development with retail at key corners would create a viabneighborhood if done right.
Cbdallas wrote:Office and retail are shrinking due to technology living space is not. More people are flex working from inside their living space and using the new communal flex office spaces. This area could be a great place to live and work all while being near access to DART rail.
NdoorTX wrote:muncien wrote:This development really needs to put residential first and foremost. If that means it needs to change hands, than so be it. I don't see the demand (regardless of use) for anything more than midrise here. But, I think a primarily mid-rise residential (most likely rental) development with retail at key corners would create a viabneighborhood if done right.
I couldn't agree more! This has been my thought for a while.
(same w/ Midtown Dallas) I'm thinking no less than 8 floors & up to whatever. Priced & targeted to buyers/ renters of places like The Beat in the Cedars. With current construction levels- I'm surprised two 18-25 level towers aren't already here. Along w/ green space & community retail. Anyone here have insight on why Spire insists on office? Is that there forte or is it overall lack of experience & knowledge of markets?
cowboyeagle05 wrote:I still think Spire will end up selling off the land in pieces so some other big developers don't get to steal their thunder.
willyk wrote:Spire and Valley View are in a dead heat to win the award for most incompetent developers in a sustained, hot market.
tamtagon wrote:Did Spire even throw their hat in the ring? I know I really liked the idea that Spire, Billingsley and Hall could present an Arts District - Deep Ellum proposal to Amazon, but I don't remember specifically that Spire's exceptionally potent real estate was part of initial run for the HQ2.
Whoever ends up developing this acreage, well, I hope they recognize the greatest potential comes from a masterplan bridging of I-345 uniting The CBD and Old East Dallas into one deal. Expand boundaries of the Arts District to the Latino Cultural Center; regardless of what happens with I-345, Good Latimer entering Old East Dallas should become the front yard of the next phase of the Arts District enveloping the Latino Cultural Center which FINALLY secures an endowment for a Latin American Museum and the back yard opens wide and full force into the creativity of Deep Ellum.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:But they have renderings showing people shopping and living their best life!!!
I45Tex wrote:But seriously, I agree w/ Hwulivn. Good concept system, tamtagon. Trying to think of a suggestion to build further on it...
CTroyMathis wrote:Laneways. 16 buldings, 8-12 stories, all residential, ground floors are walk-ups with optional/available storefronts on two cross-section interior spines, greenwalls in the indirect sunlight areas, bike-friendly, internally car-free, emergency access wide though, parking minimums reduced offset by modern office loft/sharing fronting the rail line w/parking underground/above/central loading dock for everything with widened Leonard + Federal, trolley/streetcar active barn + museum, railpark on s-curve, circular "square" in middle of residential....
Brettoj wrote:willyk wrote:Spire and Valley View are in a dead heat to win the award for most incompetent developers in a sustained, hot market.
I totally agree.
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