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Postby rono3849 » 23 Jun 2020 17:24

The_Overdog wrote:Dallas needs more church bell noise.


I was in London this past December and enjoyed hearing Big Ben's bells announcing the new hour. It was hardly a church bell. Anything to give Dallas some character is an improvement in my estimation. So much of the city's history has been destroyed over the years. To this day, I remember the bright lights of Elm Street and its many theaters that lined it. The Palace Theater was simply divine and a marvel to go to watch movies. That spectacular white organ that would emerge from the floor to play prior to the main attraction's start is a great memory. Sad to know it was destroyed in the frenzy to get rid of Downtown Dallas' theaters & buildings in the seventies & eighties.

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Postby rono3849 » 09 Jul 2020 21:01

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Drove down Maple Avenue earlier in the week and Crow Holdings' clock tower is beginning to make its way skyward. You can see the construction at the gate closest to Oak Lawn Avenue. It should be interesting to see how long the construction will take. This one cleared all design & construction hurdles within the city's bureaucracy in short order.
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Re: Oak Lawn: Old Parkland

Postby OrangeMike » 21 Dec 2020 15:03

Took a quick phone pic of the clock tower as I walked by today. It’s right across Maple from Val’s and The Grapevine but visible from around the neighborhood now.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby CTroyMathis » 21 Dec 2020 18:26

Thanks for the update. I'd been wanting to go over and see how that was going along.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 22 Dec 2020 14:01

:D This project rightfully got blasted by Mark Lamster for being fake urbanism lol

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Postby eburress » 22 Dec 2020 14:38

It doesn't seem like urbanism was the intent of this project. Either way, I'm still glad it exists.

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Postby rono3849 » 22 Dec 2020 17:09

Tivo_Kenevil wrote::D This project rightfully got blasted by Mark Lamster for being fake urbanism lol


Lamster attacked Phillip Johnson's Crescent as well, which is a ridiculous criticism. The Crescent was so successful that it sparked the entire Uptown area. The old Parkland development is an upgrade to an area that had floundered for years. Honestly, Lamster's out of touch & embarrassed himself with his commentary IMO.
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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby R1070 » 22 Dec 2020 21:43

Old Parkland has helped revive that section of Oak Lawn between Maple and Cedar Springs.

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Postby JDumont146 » 23 Dec 2020 12:37

Yup. We moved into that neighborhood between Old Parkland and Cedar Springs about 4 years ago and the transformation over here has been insane. Better townhomes/apartments/towers/retail popping up everywhere. Also tons of street improvements. It all seemed to start when Old Parkland started it's expansion.

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Postby willyk » 24 Dec 2020 13:15

JDumont146 wrote:Yup. We moved into that neighborhood between Old Parkland and Cedar Springs about 4 years ago and the transformation over here has been insane. Better townhomes/apartments/towers/retail popping up everywhere. Also tons of street improvements. It all seemed to start when Old Parkland started it's expansion.


Old Parkland + Oak Lawn exit on Tollroad + renaissance of Oak Lawn in the Design District.

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Re: Oak Lawn: Old Parkland

Postby OrangeMike » 24 Dec 2020 14:25

willyk wrote:
JDumont146 wrote:Yup. We moved into that neighborhood between Old Parkland and Cedar Springs about 4 years ago and the transformation over here has been insane. Better townhomes/apartments/towers/retail popping up everywhere. Also tons of street improvements. It all seemed to start when Old Parkland started it's expansion.


Old Parkland + Oak Lawn exit on Tollroad + renaissance of Oak Lawn in the Design District.


Also add in the direct investment from Crow Holdings in new restaurant buildings along Maple and residential developments in the immediate vicinity of its walled-off office campus. https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog ... venue.html

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Postby rono3849 » 26 Dec 2020 15:16

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The clock tower's construction has reached the point where the dome & brick masonry will soon be added, as well as the clock itself. This is a nice addition to the development & area.
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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby R1070 » 26 Dec 2020 17:13

Yea, it doesn’t look as awkward as I thought it was going to.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby tamtagon » 26 Dec 2020 18:18

I love it. So pretentious, hope it finishes up looking really pretty.

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Postby utgf » 31 Dec 2020 12:48

Atleast the clock tower itself does not look as bad as this:
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But the effect of the whole development is the same.
Completely ruined what started out with the restoration of the old parkland building.
But would not have expected anything else from Trammel Crow of these days.

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Postby rono3849 » 31 Dec 2020 18:23

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I don't understand the hate directed at the Old Parkland development. The original buildings were salvaged after years of neglect & ruin. Now the development is lush and an asset to the Oak Lawn area. Dallas tore down most of its older architecture, so it's nice to see Old Parkland expanded, IMO. The clock tower is a nice finishing touch for the surrounding community.
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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby I45Tex » 31 Dec 2020 19:17

Did you photograph the first and second pictures? Is the community allowed to walk right in like that?

I haven't been down there but it struck me (reading an interview with the owner several years ago) as a colonial-nostalgia office park for likeminded private foundations and hedge funds to network together. I get that the dome is intended as a good taste sequel to the SMU and University of Virginia rotundas.

Yes: it's a property taxpaying upgrade but nobody can really cherish a monument to, honestly, the sort of influence-peddling that would (wish to) pass for actual tradition or for a true meritocracy.

Whether or not it's going to be walled off all the time, it's a vision of the desirable, right, and beautiful free civil society. And that vision is one that amounts to an architectural dogwhistle.

I hope I'm wrong, but if what you're hearing from people is on account of that, maybe that's where it's coming from. Harwood for a counterexample may be much less lush but it's a cityscape that's not at all gated and Dallasites can still expect to walk around and rub shoulders all we want. I find that vision of city life more pleasing and less cartoony than this one.

...although I do disagree with someone like a Lamster who would view expensive non-Modern urban design language and elements as a clownish elegance.

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Postby The_Overdog » 08 Jan 2021 09:17

Per an article in D Magazine, the clock tower is also a bell tower, and home to the 4th largest bell in the US. It is a "bronze behemoth 9 feet in diameter, weighing a bit more than 30,000 pounds. "


https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/ ... ell-tower/

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Postby kingpin » 10 Jan 2021 13:43

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Postby Tnexster » 10 Jan 2021 17:43

Can't wait to hear that bell.

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Postby itsjrd1964 » 26 Jan 2021 11:41

Yesterday, the bell in the new clocktower was tried out for the first time. A video of the event is at the bottom of the linked article. The bell actually has a name: "Horatio".

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2 ... irst-time/

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby R1070 » 26 Jan 2021 14:28

The tower is looking good.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby Matt777 » 26 Jan 2021 14:36

That bronze cap on the tower sure does make a statement. I could hear them testing it yesterday. Sounds nice.

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Postby Tnexster » 26 Jan 2021 15:28

That is fantastic!

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby rono3849 » 26 Jan 2021 21:18

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I have to say the Campanile is a nice addition to the Oaklawn skyline. Love that gold dome. Once the brickwork is finished & clock face is added on the tower, this will enhance its impressive impact to the area.
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Postby dallasbeatsaustin » 26 Jan 2021 21:24

Reminds me a bit of the Hoover Tower at Stanford in form. Does anyone know why Horatio? A big Lord Nelson fan? Also, does anyone know if it will have any lighting? We are Dallas after all.

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Postby vman » 27 Jan 2021 07:31

rono3849 wrote:Campanile-Parkland.jpg
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I have to say the Campanile is a nice addition to the Oaklawn skyline. Love that gold dome. Once the brickwork is finished & clock face is added on the tower, this will enhance its impressive impact to the area.

I was at they gym last week and the local news was on one of the tv's. The were showing a shot that overlooked this area and for the longest I had no idea what the this tall thin structure was...then it hit me that it was this clock tower. It DEFINITELY makes an impact; much more so than I imagined.

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Postby Tnexster » 27 Jan 2021 12:30

Saw the tower this morning while driving into downtown, from the I-30 ramp turning north onto I-35, dome shining bright in the sun like a brand new penny.

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Postby LongonBigD » 27 Jan 2021 19:09

Tnexster wrote:Saw the tower this morning while driving into downtown, from the I-30 ramp turning north onto I-35, dome shining bright in the sun like a brand new penny.


That reminds me the large dome was shiny when first installed. It would be nice if this little one stayed shiny but probably not. Get your photos before it dulls.

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Postby CTroyMathis » 27 Jan 2021 19:43

I've been wondering which route they might go with the copper shine (I guess assuming it's copper) :

Clean it regularly.

Let it do it's natural thing over many, many years.

Or, take it chemically to a full patina real fast. If I remember correctly, many moons ago the top roof of Momentum Place (Comerica Tower) chemically sent the copper roof to blue-green real quick after being built back in the day. At some point, I don't know when, that was lost.

Thanks for the photos!

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Postby Tnexster » 28 Jan 2021 09:07

LongonBigD wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Saw the tower this morning while driving into downtown, from the I-30 ramp turning north onto I-35, dome shining bright in the sun like a brand new penny.


That reminds me the large dome was shiny when first installed. It would be nice if this little one stayed shiny but probably not. Get your photos before it dulls.


I love shiny copper but don't expect it to last long.

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Postby Cbdallas » 28 Jan 2021 11:02

flying robot drones can polish it once a week.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jan 2021 10:33

What color was the big dome at the corner when they built that structure wasn't it also shinny when it was installed until they applied a patina.
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Postby Tnexster » 29 Jan 2021 11:04

cowboyeagle05 wrote:What color was the big dome at the corner when they built that structure wasn't it also shinny when it was installed until they applied a patina.


Shiny copper from what I recall.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jan 2021 12:53

There is your answer then it will match. After all in the Texas sun it would look like the Eye of Saron with rays shining off towards the Stemmons and DNT.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 29 Jan 2021 16:47

cowboyeagle05 wrote:There is your answer then it will match. After all in the Texas sun it would look like the Eye of Saron with rays shining off towards the Stemmons and DNT.

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I have no problems with that lol

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Postby rono3849 » 13 Apr 2021 16:35

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The Old Parkand Campanile bell tower is moving along. Hard to believe it won't be finished until Novmeber 2021.
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Postby R1070 » 13 Apr 2021 17:56

I love it.

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Postby rono3849 » 13 May 2021 16:20

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Old Parkland's bell tower is progressing towards completion. It's really shaping up to be an asset to the local area with its visibility beyond the immediate boundaries of the Old Parkland development. The brickwork is nicely done and looks great in-person.
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Postby Cbdallas » 14 May 2021 11:04

I agree I love seeing it as I drive around from different perspectives.

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Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 14 May 2021 17:44

I feel nothing when I see it. It's so isolated from anything to actual make me feel like it's part of the urban fabric. It's an ivory tower.

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Postby dallaz » 06 Jul 2021 11:07

Dallas’ Old Parkland campus plans for major expansion

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... expansion/

The Old Parkland expansion would replace small restaurant buildings and an apartment complex on the site, which extends from Maple to Fairmount Street.


The developer would agree to place 90% of the parking for the office building in an underground garage.

The project would have a maximum height of 240 feet – the same as the new clock tower Crow Holdings is building at Old Parkland.
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Postby Tnexster » 06 Jul 2021 12:43

This is interesting to say the least. The apartments that would be replaced don't appear to be that old.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby eburress » 06 Jul 2021 13:09

Wow, in all the speculation about what was replacing those apartments (in the Oaklawn thread, I assume) this is definitely not what I expected. I love that these very high quality structures are spreading out into the neighborhood though. The parking lot in front is a bit of a bummer but it's worth it IMO.

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Postby MC_ScattCat » 06 Jul 2021 13:12

Too bad they can't place it across DNT in the empty lot and connect to each other. Would fill an empty lot and the skyline.

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Postby undefinedprocess » 06 Jul 2021 14:01

MC_ScattCat wrote:Too bad they can't place it across DNT in the empty lot and connect to each other. Would fill an empty lot and the skyline.

Way things are going and now with this, I would guess that lot you're referring to would be filled sooner than later.

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Re: Oaklawn: Old Parkland

Postby R1070 » 06 Jul 2021 14:55

The surface parking needs to be downsized. Would be better with a restaurant on the corner at Maple and Reagan.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 06 Jul 2021 15:44

The architecture is getting more and more cartoonish here. Ironic how Crow Holdings hated the original Old Parkland so much that they covered it with faux-colonial-revival buildings, and now they're adding a building that towers over the fake ones and just happens to look like a 1990s hospital.