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Postby tamtagon » 05 Feb 2017 12:30

I think the Red/Blue station should be moved to Lot 016 with a nice new urban mixed use development redefining the south side of the convention center.
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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Feb 2017 13:22

KbH is a money pit. I wish we would destroy it. Imagine if we had a Neighborhood where the convention center was. The city would would be better off.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 05 Feb 2017 13:44

^Limiting the approach to using the center is what makes it a money pit-- and it's the same sort of afflicted thinking that sinks Fair Park. How ironic that a big resurgence in Las Colinas will be punctuated by the music factory, hotel and convention center, while in Dallas the Municipal Auditorium and Naomi Burton Main Stage are barely a combined afterthought as performance venues.

On average, there should be a concert or event here at least three times a week.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby joshua.dodd » 05 Feb 2017 15:11

What exactly is going on here? This thread is vague.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 05 Feb 2017 15:15

joshua.dodd wrote:What exactly is going on here? This thread is vague.


anything about the convention center...

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 05 Feb 2017 16:25

http://www.fox4news.com/news/165436953-story

Exxotica lawsuit vs Dallas will be jury trial, judge rules

By: FOX4News.com Staff

UPDATED:JUN 24 2016 05:25PM CDT

Organizers for the Exxxotica expo say banning their event from the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center is unconstitutional and violates their First Amendment rights.

A trial date has not yet been set.


Any update on the reconsideration or whatever? I guess one judge or jury said the city can no porn convention, but now the organizers are trying a different approach or something.... whatever.

It's still a deal, though, right?

I understand all the good folks do not want a porn convention in the namesake convention center of Kay Bailey Hutchinson.....

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 05 Feb 2017 20:34

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I understand all the good folks do not want a porn convention in the namesake convention center of Kay Bailey Hutchinson.....[/quote]

This was written on the wall the minute they banned them. Even the city attorneys warned them against this ban..Given that the city had OK'd these types of conventions in the past at KBh, and the contract was already in place, it was a no brainer for the palintiffs to sue..

I say we ask for KBH and the Dallas Citizen Council to pay the bill. They were the ones who pushed for the ban.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby gshelton91 » 06 Feb 2017 12:41

I would agree the KBH is a bit of a money pit in its current pattern of use. It just seems like such a wasted facility... If it's not being used for a convention why not roll out some fake grass and let it be an indoor park? seems like so many things could be done if the right incentives were in place.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 15 Mar 2018 08:24

This post from the DFW Economy threat reminded me of the Convention Center Hotel.
Cord1936 wrote:I receive a weekly newsletter from Allie Beth Allman Real Estate that nearly always has very interesting and topical statistics for the area. The following three are from last weeks March 9th newsletter:

DFW: DFW is the state’s biggest hotel market, reports Source Strategies, raking in slightly over $3 billion in revenue in 2017. Austin posted the highest overall occupancy rate of 75% (DFW 70%). The hotel with the most revenue per-available-room per-night was Dallas’ Ritz-Carlton. The 1,511-room Gaylord Texan Resort and Convention Center took in the most overall revenue of nearly $89.1 million. Other Dallas hotels in the top five were the Hilton Anatole and the Omni Dallas.


Anyone know how the big hotels in the area stack up on revenue?

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby texasstar » 15 Mar 2018 12:46

joshua.dodd wrote:What exactly is going on here? This thread is vague.


Mostly a place to post crazy talk about getting rid of our convention center.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 07 May 2018 09:26

How is the Omni Hotel and restaurant annex doing?

Is it turning a profit? Has the city had to dip into the $30-50 million reserve fund to pay the mortgage? Did the hotel meet the goal to bring more of the biggest conventions to town?

How is the RevPar relative to other big convention/meeting hotels in North Texas?

Tucy are you still tracking any of this?

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Tucy » 07 May 2018 12:07

tamtagon wrote:How is the Omni Hotel and restaurant annex doing?

Is it turning a profit? Has the city had to dip into the $30-50 million reserve fund to pay the mortgage? Did the hotel meet the goal to bring more of the biggest conventions to town?

How is the RevPar relative to other big convention/meeting hotels in North Texas?

Tucy are you still tracking any of this?


Unfortunately, the state no longer posts the Hotel Tax information. :-(

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 21 Nov 2018 09:32

tamtagon wrote:^Limiting the approach to using the center is what makes it a money pit-- and it's the same sort of afflicted thinking that sinks Fair Park. How ironic that a big resurgence in Las Colinas will be punctuated by the music factory, hotel and convention center, while in Dallas the Municipal Auditorium and Naomi Burton Main Stage are barely a combined afterthought as performance venues.

On average, there should be a concert or event here at least three times a week.


The DMN had another story about Arlington Convention Center groomed for the esport events, and the Dallas Wings seem content playing at UTA. Is there some reason Dallas has not pursued the renovation of the Municipal Auditorium to host these events?

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Hwulivn » 22 Nov 2018 18:55

Yes. It’s called lack of advocacy and vision. That facility should be buzzing with activity.

Is it managed by the Convention and Visitors Bureau!

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Hannibal Lecter » 26 Nov 2018 11:45

Tucy wrote:Unfortunately, the state no longer posts the Hotel Tax information. :-(


It's still available via an open records request.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby vman » 27 Nov 2018 07:34

I was in Houston over the holiday and visited Discovery Green Saturday evening. I couldn't help but think how Dallas made such a huge mistake burying the convention center underground and ignoring the surface area around it. What a missed opportunity to bring some life to that end of downtown. The hotel helps some, but not nearly enough, imo.

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Postby TNWE » 27 Nov 2018 14:22

vman wrote:I was in Houston over the holiday and visited Discovery Green Saturday evening. I couldn't help but think how Dallas made such a huge mistake burying the convention center underground and ignoring the surface area around it. What a missed opportunity to bring some life to that end of downtown. The hotel helps some, but not nearly enough, imo.


The convention center is the opposite of buried- I'm confused :?:

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 27 Nov 2018 16:04

I am assuming he means burying parking underground and not building a park at the surface level?

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby DPatel304 » 13 Feb 2019 21:07

Dallas hands off management of convention center to private company
Dallas has delegated management of its major convention center to a private company.

On February 13, the Dallas City Council approved a 5-year contract with Spectra Venue Management to manage the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center Dallas, hoping to improve the client experience and increase revenue.

The convention center will remain city-owned and subject to city oversight. Spectra would be responsible for day-to-day event management, client services, custodial services, security, parking, food and beverages, and other services.

The company was also recently given the keys to manage Fair Park.

http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/city- ... -downtown/

Anyone know what to make of this? Good, bad, or neutral?

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby I45Tex » 13 Feb 2019 22:03

Spectra is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Comcast's sports division.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 14 Feb 2019 07:08

Probably a good thing.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Jbarn » 14 Feb 2019 07:10

The city of Dallas should be fixing our streets, keeping us safe, etc...which they are failing at. The more we can take away from them and leave to the professionals to run, the better.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Kelley USA » 14 Feb 2019 09:23

I've always been underwhelmed by the outside of the Convention Center... It's poorly landscaped, poor signage, the back of the convention center is a flat out eyesore. It's not really all that pleasant to walk around or navigate compared to other centers I attend (and I've been to more than my fair share)… Many of the other centers I visit I'm generally greeted with lush landscaping, some sort of fountain feature, park settings for attendees, modern visible signage for both parking and exhibit halls. Sometimes the small details can leave a big impression for a visitor coming to the city!

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 14 Feb 2019 09:49

Farmers Market, Fair Park and Convention Center -- all three have not approached potential under municipal management. I would guess this is not unusual in cities across the country, that when the gatekeepers of regulation manage those entities being regulated or monitored for compliance.... the business strategy is always flat and underperforming.

I would hope with Spectra managing the convention center, the facilities at Fair Park will be put to uses as they should be. I've always thought actively including Fair Park facilities into Convention Center events is a critical component to increase visitation to the city.

VisitDallas has been busy planning a parking garage and tourist guide center built over a highway instead of figuring out how to leverage the attributes of the city. Such a misguided focus should be a precipitating event of termination.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 14 Feb 2019 10:00

Can we just destroy this money pit already? It's such a waste of land and really acts more of a barrier than anything else.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby lakewoodhobo » 14 Feb 2019 10:28

Kelley USA wrote:I've always been underwhelmed by the outside of the Convention Center... It's poorly landscaped, poor signage, the back of the convention center is a flat out eyesore. It's not really all that pleasant to walk around or navigate compared to other centers I attend (and I've been to more than my fair share)… Many of the other centers I visit I'm generally greeted with lush landscaping, some sort of fountain feature, park settings for attendees, modern visible signage for both parking and exhibit halls. Sometimes the small details can leave a big impression for a visitor coming to the city!


Always thought that the city should expand Pioneer Park through the city-owned Lot C between it and the Omni. At least it would connect the Flying Horse lawn to City Hall Plaza and eventually make them one cohesive space.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

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Kelley USA wrote:I've always been underwhelmed by the outside of the Convention Center... It's poorly landscaped, poor signage, the back of the convention center is a flat out eyesore. It's not really all that pleasant to walk around or navigate compared to other centers I attend (and I've been to more than my fair share)… Many of the other centers I visit I'm generally greeted with lush landscaping, some sort of fountain feature, park settings for attendees, modern visible signage for both parking and exhibit halls. Sometimes the small details can leave a big impression for a visitor coming to the city!


This is a great point, and a great opportunity for Dallas. The long horn sculpture, waterfalls, and lush wooded areas around the cemetery provide a strong backbone to build off of. Building some well landscaped/lighted paths/plazas in and around this area without disrupting the greenery could go a long way. You already get tons of visitors and residents here, event or no event. Add in some vendor booths and you've got yourself a very welcoming area without too much expense. But, I'm sure the city would find a way to screw up such an effort... Hopefully the new management could make it happen.
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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 14 Feb 2019 11:25

Pioneer Park should have been expanded years ago, turned into a beer garden and picnic area. This is where Dallas needs one of those big public fountains, casual dining seating for as many as 1,000(?) people at a time.... Years ago when Phillip Jones was still fresh, data collection analysis revealed the biggest need was something for event goers to right outside the center; a hotel with dining annex was the result and shows a ridiculous avoidance of findings.

Ignored Municipal Auditorium represents a HUGE benefit potential for entertaining event goers on top of the flexibility of presentation space potential that identically ignored.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby I45Tex » 14 Feb 2019 12:11

With AT&T doubling down on their slice of DTD is there potential for a new naming rights deal where KBH moves over for Dallas Discovery District Events Hall? ("Convention Center" is becoming very 1989 while "Food Hall" is 2019, if too much so.

But it's just an example of the potential to recast it as part of a neighborhood again, not just the mandatory city facility for conventioneers, you know).

Then Pioneer Park could be the sort of active festive entertainment and gathering space tamtagon is talkin' 'bout. And come to mean communication pioneers in the present day as well as frontiers of the historic Dallas.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 14 Feb 2019 12:31

I would love to see ATT as the founding sponsor for a vintage streetcar and pedestrian corridor running from Union Station to proposed Harwood Park to Old City Park and Griffin St under ConvCtr back to Union Station. There's a handful of other billion dollar entities/developers along this route to provide founding sponsorship.

ATT gets unrivaled pedestrian access scores, Texas Central gets a nice blanket on downtown amenities, Smart District gets the mobility boost for a big tenant, The City of Dallas gets an important quality of life increase, Convention Center instantly becomes more appealing. Such a no-brainer.

I've forgotten where in The Cedars Marc Cuban owns property, but his philanthropy would gain a cause with a circular like that.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby DPatel304 » 14 Feb 2019 13:28

lakewoodhobo wrote:Always thought that the city should expand Pioneer Park through the city-owned Lot C between it and the Omni. At least it would connect the Flying Horse lawn to City Hall Plaza and eventually make them one cohesive space.

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Yes, this would be great if they would make this happen. Also, they really need to permanently get rid of the small stretch of Marilla that is separating Pioneer Park to the Police Memorial.

I45Tex wrote:Then Pioneer Park could be the sort of active festive entertainment and gathering space tamtagon is talkin' 'bout.


It seems like this is sorta in line with the City's vision as well. I know last year they held the Aurora Art show in front of City Hall, and also hosted a brand new tree lighting ceremony in front of City Hall as well. Both of these were brand new events for the area.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby tamtagon » 12 Aug 2019 05:58

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas ... 1535544804

...Mark Cuban, who also owns an NBA 2k esports team called Mavs Gaming, has called North Texas the biggest hotbed for esports outside of California. The region is also home to the largest stadium dedicated to esports in North America, the former Arlington Convention Center.


Is there something about the Municipal Auditorium the prohibits it from hosting esports events, even serving as a homebase for one of these teams? Consider the possibility of filling the entire convention center for a weekend building a gamers branded event like Comic-Con or Dragon-Con.

The CVB decision makers have doubled-down on an office and noshing visitor's space to be built into an extension of Klyde Warren Park over Woodall-Rodgers Freeway while ignoring and/or avoiding revenue generating potential like esports and WNBA to pay for Municipal Auditorium upgrades.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby lakewoodhobo » 12 Aug 2019 08:20

tamtagon wrote:Is there something about the Municipal Auditorium the prohibits it from hosting esports events, even serving as a homebase for one of these teams? Consider the possibility of filling the entire convention center for a weekend building a gamers branded event like Comic-Con or Dragon-Con.


Do we know if the Call of Duty tournament that took place a couple of years ago was held at Memorial Auditorium or somewhere else inside KBH Convention Center? If the city is still trying to upgrade that facility and find the right use for it, I don't see why a permanent e-sports or gaming tournament space isn't being considered.

I'm not sure if that type of event necessarily draws the same audience as Comic-Con or A-Kon, which was held at Fair Park this year, but I'm not an expert on that by any means.

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Re: Dallas Convention Center

Postby exelone31 » 12 Aug 2019 08:46

Wow, you know that eSports has arrived as a legitimate sport when all the major venues eschew Downtown Dallas for the suburbs :)


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