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Re: Uptown Dallas: Business Openings and Closings

Postby emmasensei » 29 Jan 2020 10:30

yeah, we should make it an unofficial forum rule that you can't post direct links to articles behind a paywall. It's so frustrating. :lol: (I pay for access to DMN, even though they're incredibly annoying to their subscribers. But I don't subscribe to biznow or bizjournal or whatever it is.)

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jan 2020 10:33

Used to you could simply post the link in Facebook and opening by way of social media meant they would let you view the article. They went ahead and shut that down so I have had to find other ways to sneak around the paywall when I need to.
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Postby lakewoodhobo » 29 Jan 2020 11:07

Just copy the text before the paywall comes up and paste it on a Word doc (⌘A, ⌘C, ⌘V on Mac).

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Postby Hannibal Lecter » 29 Jan 2020 11:54

Set your web browser to disable JavaScript on the DMN site and the paywall disappears.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jan 2020 13:12

Safaris Article Viewer feature works but I am not always on a Mac so I've had to "suffer". Thanks for the tips guys.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Business Openings and Closings

Postby MC_ScattCat » 29 Jan 2020 14:54

The owner of Jack & Gingers/ 77 degrees had some code compliance "upgrades" to be made. They had a soft opening of Jack & Gingers, but nothing official. I don't remember exactly what the code issues were though. I will say that if the crowds at both places were anything to go by they should be fine. I'm more of a Jack & Gingers than a 77 degrees person for what it's worth.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 29 Jan 2020 15:01

Def heard from some more people recently who live close enough to 77 Degrees that they have been much happier that 77 has been closed. They assumed it was shut down for noise complaints...if it does reopen once better weather is back it will be the subject of more headlines I'm sure.
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Postby DPatel304 » 29 Jan 2020 15:48

MC_ScattCat wrote:I'm more of a Jack & Gingers than a 77 degrees person for what it's worth.


Same here. I found it extremely bizarre that the two establishments are in the same building as they seem to be very different in terms of the vibe/crowd.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 06 Feb 2020 07:08

We may be adding Truluck’s to the list of closings soon.

Developer Trammell Crow plans new Uptown Dallas tower project: McKinney Avenue high-rise would be next door to the Crescent
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... r-project/

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Postby Matt777 » 06 Feb 2020 07:42

lakewoodhobo wrote:We may be adding Truluck’s to the list of closings soon.

Developer Trammell Crow plans new Uptown Dallas tower project: McKinney Avenue high-rise would be next door to the Crescent
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... r-project/


Lol after all that effort to build the new building. I’d be glad to see that suburban crap fest go, but it just seems wasteful. Maybe Truluck’s can move into the old Circo space at One Uptown. I’m sure they do good business.

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 06 Feb 2020 07:58

Matt777 wrote:
lakewoodhobo wrote:We may be adding Truluck’s to the list of closings soon.

Developer Trammell Crow plans new Uptown Dallas tower project: McKinney Avenue high-rise would be next door to the Crescent
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... r-project/


Lol after all that effort to build the new building. I’d be glad to see that suburban crap fest go, but it just seems wasteful. Maybe Truluck’s can move into the old Circo space at One Uptown. I’m sure they do good business.


I’m trying to think of any other building that I’ve seen go up and torn down in less than 10 years... perhaps Elan City Lights if it can’t be repaired.

Good riddance to this one, although I’d much rather see TC build a tower on an empty lot.

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Postby R1070 » 06 Feb 2020 11:05

I consider this a lot being filled. It’s just terrible. Now if we could get the stuff across the street to be redeveloped and the Lemmon/McKinney area...

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Feb 2020 11:27

But how will people buy their Dickeys BBQ and $10 a gallon gas.
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Postby DPatel304 » 06 Feb 2020 11:36

R1070 wrote:I consider this a lot being filled. It’s just terrible. Now if we could get the stuff across the street to be redeveloped and the Lemmon/McKinney area...


Agreed. I'm feeling more hopeful about these other suburban developments being re-developed after this news, though.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Feb 2020 14:26

So this article with the Ginger Man land selling to the owners of the Quadrangle is interesting...
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... -purchase/

Since then, Stream Realty has developed a plan to add an office tower and new retail buildings to the Quadrangle site.

Now, the developer has purchased a nearby building on Boll Street that houses the Ginger Man pub.

Stream Realty hasn’t announced any new plans for the property and the Ginger Man plans to keep operating in the building, which was originally a house built before World War II.
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Postby DPatel304 » 06 Feb 2020 14:41

I'm really hoping the Gingerman sticks around in its current building.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 06 Feb 2020 14:53

Well, the property is pretty limited in size so I don't think they are planning to demo it to build for an additional phase for Quadrangle. They won't need a staging site for Quadrangle work so who knows if this purchase is part of a larger plan to buy up more on that block. There is plenty of old houses right there that could go easily for a larger project now that demand is applying pressure on Uptown.
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Postby jetnd87 » 20 Feb 2020 08:51

A bit of opening news to offset the rash of start of year closures: https://www.papercitymag.com/restaurant ... and-table/. Concept looks intriguing.

And back to normally scheduled programming, looks like Water Grill farther south along McKinney Ave has closed up shop. They were always "alright", but bummer to see a seafood concept go. Pretty expensive build-out too. Will be interested to see what replaces this + the soon-to-be vacant Perry's + the long-vacant Stampede 66, all along McKinney south of the Crescent.

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Postby Kelley USA » 20 Feb 2020 09:32

I hate to hear that about Water Grill. It was a beautiful restaurant space! They definitely spent a pretty penny on the build-out. I think they would have been more successful has they build in something like the Union surrounded by The Henry & North Italia.

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Postby homeworld1031tx » 20 Feb 2020 09:54

jetnd87 wrote:... the long-vacant Stampede 66, all along McKinney south of the Crescent.


Quick aside about Stampede 66. The Uptown vacancy resulted in them opening up a new space at Watters Creek, on the border of Plano and Allen off of 75. We tried going there for an informal business lunch a few weeks ago and it turns out that the formal dining room for it had actually *just* ended their lunch service option; my guess is due to low traffic. It's not only open as a dinner option and I really can't imagine that it's getting a lot of traffic for that either as it's so closed off and hidden that I'd imagine one hotel guests or convention center guests would visit it.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Feb 2020 09:55

That area right around Klyde Warren and Pearl is just so dead. It's full of high priced valet driven restaurants but not much life. Are there people passing through to the park or walking into the office space sure but after 4 pm its a dead zone much like Downtown was back in the day. Office space with massive parking and high-end steak and seafood restaurants do not create activty.
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Postby vman » 20 Feb 2020 11:10

cowboyeagle05 wrote:That area right around Klyde Warren and Pearl is just so dead. It's full of high priced valet driven restaurants but not much life. Are there people passing through to the park or walking into the office space sure but after 4 pm its a dead zone much like Downtown was back in the day. Office space with massive parking and high-end steak and seafood restaurants do not create activty.

I couldn't agree more. When I visit KWP, I'm very casually dressed, sometimes extremely and would feel uncomfortable going into the restaurants around there to eat. Do the people opening up these spots realize that they're surrounding a PARK? Thank goodness for the food trucks!!

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Postby Cbdallas » 20 Feb 2020 11:44

Stampede 66 and Water Grill were high end destination restaurants which are having a harder time in Dallas as there are so many new options in that market. At the same time we have a gap down there of more casual options but those models can't pay the extreme rents that are are demanding.

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Postby R1070 » 20 Feb 2020 13:17

Bring in some more casual concepts. We have enough pricey steakhouse in Uptown.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Feb 2020 13:29

The thing is there is a lot of law firms in that area and that's what the steakhouse/seafood businesses seem to be chasing. That and the Crescent Hotel and Ritz Carlton hotel guests. Notice the affordable places are in nearby suburban-style Uptown Plaza that many of us hate. Most of these big office projects want signature restaurants to show off for high-end tenants. Even the Pizza hut strip center is being replaced with a high rise soon. If anyone wants anything that's not the walk-up window at Klyde Warren or Food Trucks then they need to hitch a ride or start walking towards the rest of Uptown.
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Postby KRG » 20 Feb 2020 13:39

Cava just opened right in that spot. Perfect fast casual concept for that immediate area. The casual dining options in the McKinney&Olive plaza are also really great. Roti, Myxt, Malibu Poke, Starbucks reserve. All high quality fast casual. Shake Shack and East Hampton are just up the street off Pearl also. Dunno what you're all wanting in the middle of a high end business district, Olive Garden? (kidding)
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Postby Kelley USA » 20 Feb 2020 13:43

I would think that the rents that these places are commanding make it prohibitive for casual restaurants to move in. I mean you do have Miriam Cocina right on the park. You can get taco and enchilada plates for $12.95. You also have YardBird opening in 3 - 4 weeks. It'll be on the casual side. They'll have sandwiches / burgers under $20 and most main entrees under $30.

Also, if you haven't been to Doc B's it's a super solid place with great service!

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 20 Feb 2020 13:54

I mean where are my Whataburger and 100,000th Jimmy Johns location at? And Olive Garden, I love real Italian food but I will gladly go to OG anytime for the fun of it. I mean my life is missing out if I don't get to eat Italian in a pretend Italian villa surrounded by other Americans eating Fettuccine Alfredo soup that they call pasta.
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Postby KRG » 20 Feb 2020 13:59

cowboyeagle05 wrote:I mean where are my Whataburger and 100,000th Jimmy Johns location at? And Olive Garden, I love real Italian food but I will gladly go to OG anytime for the fun of it. I mean my life is missing out if I don't get to eat Italian in a pretend Italian villa surrounded by other Americans eating Fettuccine Alfredo soup that they call pasta.


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Postby DPatel304 » 25 Feb 2020 15:15

Toluca in Uptown: A First Look and Chat with Co-Owner TJ Franks
https://www.dallasobserver.com/restaura ... e-11876011

Nothing ever seems to do well in this particular spot, so we'll see how long this place lasts. I'm realize I'm getting way ahead of myself, but I'm secretly hoping there is enough demand to just raze and re-develop this whole Gables Villa Rosa complex. It seems like there is demand to be along Cedar Springs Rd and this is also very close to the Katy Trail and not too far from other developments going up at the moment.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Business Openings and Closings

Postby Cbdallas » 25 Feb 2020 15:29

Probably what will work here is more like a large spa service place. The approach from Cedar Springs is not friendly and the parking is not obvious. I doubt they will be razing something as large as this building is and it is not that old in the scheme of things. They just need to give up on leasing to restaurants.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Business Openings and Closings

Postby uptown74 » 26 Feb 2020 20:00

Yeah the Villa Rosa is still relatively new. I think the retail could work there though. The Ill Minster pub seems to be doing well. Put a Gloria's/ Mi Cocina in there and it will be packed

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Postby Redblock » 23 Oct 2020 09:48

The Nickel and Rye space is now reopened as Turkey DAM, a sports bar with a Cajun themed menu including turkey legs.

https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/rest ... ickel-rye/

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Business Openings and Closings

Postby R1070 » 23 Oct 2020 10:38

That little cluster of buildings is one I don’t mind if it doesn’t get redeveloped. It gives some character and variety.


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