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Cbdallas wrote:That whole West Village area is in a funk. They could probable open a Central Market in the existing store in a few months and make it just like the Lovers location. At this point I will be ok with that as the option seems to be let that ugly building and land sit empty for years more.

I haven’t been down to West Village in several years. So why is it in a “funk”? Recovering from the pandemic, on-line shopping headwinds?

mhainli wrote:

Cbdallas wrote:That whole West Village area is in a funk. They could probable open a Central Market in the existing store in a few months and make it just like the Lovers location. At this point I will be ok with that as the option seems to be let that ugly building and land sit empty for years more.

I haven’t been down to West Village in several years. So why is it in a “funk”? Recovering from the pandemic, on-line shopping headwinds?

I wouldn't say funk, but rather a re-branding of itself. They are going in a more trendy direction in shops and such. I like this direction for Uptown and think a Central Market would complement it well.

R1070 wrote:I wouldn't say funk, but rather a re-branding of itself. They are going in a more trendy direction in shops and such. I like this direction for Uptown and think a Central Market would complement it well.

You're right about that. I would never consider myself a "trendy" person and just about every West Village store I used to patronize is gone.

Drove by this site yesterday and it appeared there were a couple of large trucks pulling demo out of the interior of the space.

Cool, thanks for the update

Would they do that if they planned on demo-ing the building. Seems like a renovation to me which is very disappointing!

I think we are just looking at them converting store to Central Market. At least they will put in new landscaping and that site will be active again. At this point it could take years to even start a mixed use project there.

Jeez, what a complete let down.

I agree, it will be an improvement over the dead space that is here currently, and I'd imagine they'll do some cool stuff with this Central Market, but it's unfortunate that this has dragged on for as long as it has and this is all we are left with.

So, technically do we have the official word from HEB that this is going to be turned into a Central Market? I don't see a story or link on that.

Well ran into my corporate guy again at CM on Northwest Hwy yesterday and asked him again what is going on with the Uptown CM and he said the interest rates blew up their second deal so they have gone back to look at other possibilities with other developers and have not ruled out just opening in the existing building but he said no decisions have been made and they are going spend time to see what can get done in this environment with the difficulties on getting financing (which seems to be a theme on other development projects as well). I got the impression that they still want to be in a development with the larger store site as planned. This will take more time so.....

He also said the owners of the land still need a large development to make sense long term for that use so I am leaning on they won't just open a store in the existing space as it would lock down that whole site for future development.

Guess I will still be driving to Northwest hwy and Lovers CM for a long while.

Cbdallas wrote:Well ran into my corporate guy again at CM on Northwest Hwy yesterday and asked him again what is going on with the Uptown CM and he said the interest rates blew up their second deal so they have gone back to look at other possibilities with other developers and have not ruled out just opening in the existing building but he said no decisions have been made and they are going spend time to see what can get done in this environment with the difficulties on getting financing (which seems to be a theme on other development projects as well). I got the impression that they still want to be in a development with the larger store site as planned. This will take more time so.....

He also said the owners of the land still need a large development to make sense long term for that use so I am leaning on they won't just open a store in the existing space as it would lock down that whole site for future development.

Guess I will still be driving to Northwest hwy and Lovers CM for a long while.

TL;DR = "He's dead, Jim"

Again I'll say this.. While they are waiting to do whatever they hope to do at this location they could easily build and open a CM at their Bishop Arts location. Lord knows we in N. Oak Cliff could use it.

Cbdallas wrote:Well ran into my corporate guy again at CM on Northwest Hwy yesterday and asked him again what is going on with the Uptown CM and he said the interest rates blew up their second deal so they have gone back to look at other possibilities with other developers and have not ruled out just opening in the existing building but he said no decisions have been made and they are going spend time to see what can get done in this environment with the difficulties on getting financing (which seems to be a theme on other development projects as well). I got the impression that they still want to be in a development with the larger store site as planned. This will take more time so.....

He also said the owners of the land still need a large development to make sense long term for that use so I am leaning on they won't just open a store in the existing space as it would lock down that whole site for future development.

Guess I will still be driving to Northwest hwy and Lovers CM for a long while.

Well, this is exactly what I thought had happened. The developer took too long to get the deal locked down and the interest rates blew up the whole development. Dallas developers just sat on their hands and watched the environment pass them by and lose the opportunity to move forward. I suspect there's several of the "announced developments" sitting in a folder somewhere in an architect's office in the area.

What does this mean? (I initially thought it referred to the McKinney Ave location but it’s elsewhere)

This approximately 3 acre request is for a new subdistrict within Planned Development District 193 (GR)/(MF-2) to create standards to allow for (1) multifamily residential and (2) to allow for restaurant uses. The site is currently developed with surface parking, retail, and partially residential uses.

Zoning Change Application for HEB Grocery

The property is located at the northeast corner of Lemmon Avenue and Reagan Street, south ofThrockmorton Street and west of Bowser Avenue. Land to the north is zoned PD 193 (MF-2) and PD 193 (GR); land to the south is zoned PD 193(MF-2), PD 193 (GR), and PD 193(P); land to the east is zoned PD 193(MF-2); and land to the west is zoned PD 193(GR).

Property to the north, south, east, and west is developed with a variety of multifamily residential, restaurant and bar uses, and retail uses. The proposed redevelopment ofthe property is consistent with the area and the ongoing pattern of development.

on the application the box is checked as the applicant is "potential buyer" they are requesting a new subdistrict to allow additional structure height for a MF building with restaurant and bar uses. sounds like they are potentially selling this site. its a full city block and it was submitted back in May. I posted this on the other thread as well. 3900 Lemmon is the address.

Darn it - sorry I can delete it

wbarch wrote:3900 Lemmon is the address.

So this is the OTHER Central Market location on Lemmon at the La Madeleine location? Good to hear someone may be interested. Hopefully they help Lemmon Ave improve and NOT put in...I don't know....a Kroger gas station. Geez!

wbarch wrote:on the application the box is checked as the applicant is "potential buyer" they are requesting a new subdistrict to allow additional structure height for a MF building with restaurant and bar uses. sounds like they are potentially selling this site. its a full city block and it was submitted back in May. I posted this on the other thread as well. 3900 Lemmon is the address.

LongonBigD wrote:

wbarch wrote:3900 Lemmon is the address.

So this is the OTHER Central Market location on Lemmon at the La Madeleine location? Good to hear someone may be interested. Hopefully they help Lemmon Ave improve and NOT put in...I don't know....a Kroger gas station. Geez!

HEB currently owns the whole block at 3900 Lemmon. Trademark Property is the potential buyer. The proposed building already has its own thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1209

Checking in on HEB’s Plans for the Old Albertson’s in Uptown
https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2024/05/checking-in-on-hebs-plans-for-the-old-albertsons-in-uptown/#more-000

Looks like they might just turn the existing building into a Central Market. KDC is off the project.

This project has had one hurdle after another thrown at it. The principles were not on the same page and the City of Dallas didn't help matters either. All of the demands to modify the size & height, then make up of the development just pushed all the plans into a black hole that eventually killed the financing and HEB's patience. HEB won't be bullied by the bureaucrats at Dallas City Hall. They'll just pull the plug, which they obviously have done.

rono3849 wrote:[...] the City of Dallas didn't help matters either....

And what exactly did Dallas.do to creat hurdles exactly? Serious question. The zoning changes were approved, this one just never got off the ground, a Pandemic, Bad Financing and HEB patience (or indifference about Central Dallas...) really is what stalled this project.

If they wanna go ahead and create a strip mall store, man I'd welcome another hurdle honestly.

I'd rather an empty lot with the potential of future development than them investing in a store that will be around for decades. This area between the two Lemmons is a lost cause and it's so unfortunate because it makes West Village seem so disconnected from the rest of Uptown.

Honestly, what did we expect would fill a lot flanked by a suburban CVS and a suburban Walgreens? Selfishly, I'd rather have the plain vanilla Central Market here so that MAYBE they can move forward with the Bishop Arts location, which will never happen until this one opens.

West Village does not feel disconnected from Uptown because of this lot. It's disconnected because West Village is an inward-facing fortress surrounded by a moat of traffic, so the way to fix it is to rebuild West Village.

I have kind of given up on the Travis-Cole-McKinney corridor bordered on the north by Fitzhugh to the south at Hall St.
This along with Lemmon Ave. going towards the tollway has remained very old suburban style part of town compared to Uptown and now Knox.
Maybe the next big upswing in development will do something but not holding out much hope.

However if that is the case then I welcome the new Central Market as that means I only have to drive a few blocks instead of going up 75 to Lovers or up the tollway to Northwest hwy and Midway to get to a CM.

I don't see West Village as inward facing at all. There are doors facing almost all of the surrounding streets and its 'inside' is a parking garage. The reason the West Village is separated *is* because of the CVS, strip shopping center, and yes, the dead Albertsons.

Tear down the old Albertsons, rebuild an HEB or Central Market on the street with parking underground or behind store, with capabilities of building towers above at some point in future when markets dictate. Something/anything!

eburress wrote:I don't see West Village as inward facing at all. There are doors facing almost all of the surrounding streets and its 'inside' is a parking garage. The reason the West Village is separated *is* because of the CVS, strip shopping center, and yes, the dead Albertsons.

Agreed. Lemmon Ave and Lemmon East (and the suburban development) just kill any connection with the rest of Uptown.