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Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 06 Aug 2019 15:30

Would love to see some construction equipment start moving dirt on this one.....

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Redblock » 06 Aug 2019 23:34

Cbdallas wrote:Would love to see some construction equipment start moving dirt on this one.....


A coring truck was working again today. And a large construction debris bin was set near the building. Maybe they are ready to strip out the building.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jetnd87 » 06 Sep 2019 13:03

Any updates from the community on this one?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby emmasensei » 06 Sep 2019 14:34

Just drove past it a few hours ago. It's a ghost town.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 06 Sep 2019 14:38

I am praying for a quick start and no delays. I need that Central Market ASAP down here.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Sep 2019 11:42

They had drillers on site a few weeks ago so I am sure it's moving along just finalizing plans. The question is will Central Market have a groundbreaking or just get going without the pomp and PR event.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby homeworld1031tx » 12 Nov 2019 12:40

Any updates on this one? I haven't seen the site in a while, is there any action/construction?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby rogerroger » 12 Nov 2019 12:53

I went to an Uptown Inc real estate networking event last week where the developer spoke about this project. They said groundbreaking should be around Feb or Mar 2020.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jetnd87 » 12 Nov 2019 13:22

Did they say what was taking so long? Obviously we're all impatient about any construction but this one does seem to be taking a bit longer than normal. My guess is it has to do with the intricacies of planning a very different type of store for CM than their other locations.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby flyswatter » 12 Nov 2019 14:03

Probably not related, but the Preston/Royal location took a bad hit from the tornado. I wonder if any of the focus and efforts on Central Market/HEB's end had to be shifted towards rebuilding that location first.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby lakewoodhobo » 07 Jan 2020 14:24

Uptown Dallas Central Market store project is getting closer to start
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... bRoZJxmlWc

This week KDC filed the first building permits for the development, which is expected to take more than two years to complete.
The permits detail more than $46.5 million of construction in the first, 634,200-square-foot section of the project.


I know I don't need to state the obvious "about time", but it's interesting that the store is moving forward without the tower component. Maybe that was the plan all along, but then why wouldn't this have started a year ago?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 07 Jan 2020 14:27

Finally. I am sure the additional phases will find leases once the project shows some serious progress.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby LongonBigD » 07 Jan 2020 14:43

A grocery store would be way less than 634k sq ft and $46MM. maybe this is the grocery and mid rise apts? How big is the hotel piece?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby DPatel304 » 07 Jan 2020 14:46

Could it be the grocery, additional retail, and just the garage component?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tnexster » 07 Jan 2020 16:45

Where does the story say the tower isn't being built?

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Postby lakewoodhobo » 07 Jan 2020 17:04

Tnexster wrote:Where does the story say the tower isn't being built?


It doesn't say it explicitly but the mention of the "first building permits" and "first section" of the project, followed by "planned" elements of the finished project just make it seem that way. I could be reading too much into it, but it would help to know the total square footage of the entire development, including the towers plus retail and parking.

"This week, KDC filed the first building permits for the development, which is expected to take more than two years to complete. The permits detail over $46.5 million in construction for the 634,200-square-foot first section of the project."

"A 450,000-square-foot office tower and about 150,000 square feet of retail are planned for the entire development."


Also, something tells me that in the first quote he meant "for the first section of the 634,200-square-foot project."

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby uptown74 » 07 Jan 2020 18:41

lakewoodhobo wrote:
Tnexster wrote:Where does the story say the tower isn't being built?


It doesn't say it explicitly but the mention of the "first building permits" and "first section" of the project, followed by "planned" elements of the finished project just make it seem that way. I could be reading too much into it, but it would help to know the total square footage of the entire development, including the towers plus retail and parking.

"This week, KDC filed the first building permits for the development, which is expected to take more than two years to complete. The permits detail over $46.5 million in construction for the 634,200-square-foot first section of the project."

"A 450,000-square-foot office tower and about 150,000 square feet of retail are planned for the entire development."


Eh, I wouldn't trust the facts of this article too much. It also stated the property has been vacant for 5 years since Albertsons closed , but it was a Sunfresh market for a few years until end of 2016.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby jetnd87 » 07 Jan 2020 21:51

Whichever the case, a Central Market at the spot will be a boon to that specific stretch of Uptown and should really help link it to West Village (plus provide a ton of foot (and vehicle) traffic). Still pissed that CVS got built though...

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby R1070 » 07 Jan 2020 22:00

Maybe we can see Walgreens redeveloped to create some connection to the rest of McKinney Ave.

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Postby cowboyeagle05 » 08 Jan 2020 10:40

Walgreens will not want to give up sales to nearby CVS even if Walgreens made a deal to be incorporated into development on their current land. Kroger on Cedar Springs refuses to redevelop because any major changes would mean they would have to shut down completely and they would lose market share they would take years to get back. The Grocery Store wars in urban Dallas are a serious business and I imagine the way Walgreens and CVS have been building locations they are in a similar war with each other trying to make sure they don't make room for any other players let alone concede market in one area while they rebuild. Walgreens and CVS just don't see any bottom-line advantage in shutting down just to allow their store to be worked into a walkable development. CVS has drive-up parking with their new location and Walgreens would lose that advantage in their mind.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby LongonBigD » 12 Jan 2020 17:14

Out walking today and noticed Manny’s Uptown is closed. Apparently the building caught fire recently. It happened on Christmas Eve.

A second chance to ”take the money and run” perhaps? Collect your insurance check then sell to developer OR rebuild?
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby eburress » 13 Jan 2020 07:21

Is that where Rooster used to be? I still miss that place...and Gordon Keith's live spot jingle promoting it...from the early 2000s.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 13 Jan 2020 09:32

Well, that just means the Central Market development can include that land in their following phase. Could be part of the slowdown. If the land was suddenly available they might have sent the project back to be redesigned to take the land into account particularly if previous versions had this land as a backside and not connected at all to the parking garage. I mean it only very recently became an option so it not the whole story but maybe they have been negotiating land for a while and then the fire helped push things along.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 13 Jan 2020 10:36

cowboyeagle05 wrote:Well, that just means the Central Market development can include that land in their following phase. Could be part of the slowdown. If the land was suddenly available they might have sent the project back to be redesigned to take the land into account particularly if previous versions had this land as a backside and not connected at all to the parking garage. I mean it only very recently became an option so it not the whole story but maybe they have been negotiating land for a while and then the fire helped push things along.


Plot Twist: HEB SET MANNY'S ON FIRE!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby dukemeredith » 14 Jan 2020 22:42

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:Plot Twist: HEB SET MANNY'S ON FIRE!


ON CHRISTMAS EVE, NO LESS!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Cbdallas » 12 Mar 2020 11:49

Tick Tock Tick Tock still waiting to see some action here.

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Postby LongonBigD » 24 Apr 2020 22:38

Cbdallas wrote:Tick Tock Tick Tock still waiting to see some action here.

Manny’s Uptown and it’s parking lot are now completely enclosed in fence. Still wondering if CM is acquiring this final piece of that city block. If so, that would change the plans for this development which would require another run past Dallas code and city council.

Any activity on the architects website?

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 25 Apr 2020 11:08

Couldn't they just turn it into the constriction project offices and staging site, for now, build the project mostly as previously planned but push the council on the changes during construction applying pressure with the project already underway? I mean unless they need major parking changes to the garages they could build on the Manny site as an expansion.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Jbarn » 27 Apr 2020 19:09

I have serious doubts about this project. This was announced years ago, and not a shovel of dirt has been turned.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 28 Apr 2020 11:06

Well this project is a big one and if Central Market was just building a store they would have been done already but it seems to make it a multi-use project with lots of development players with Central Market appearing to be the main developer I imagine that's part of the reason for the slow pace. Central Market is used to building stores, not Mixed-Use developments and if they are centralizing a lot of the project through them I imagine its much slower than if Trammel Crow did it or KDC. My best guess. Keep in mind they have been contemplating a store on Lemmon at Oak Lawn for years now too even bought land but slowly moved that project forward then got wind they could get this plot and shifted gears and started the process all over again. The Oak Lawn store wasn't going to be mixed-use and they took forever...
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby flyswatter » 28 Apr 2020 13:52

I still believe the tornado damage at the Preston/Royal Central Market resulted in them shifting resources and focus to get that one reopened. I have nothing to back that up though.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Kelley USA » 28 Apr 2020 14:22

This is a big project and these things take time... KDC is the developer on this. If I remember correctly, they did pull permits back in January. Could be the overall design has changed or they're tweaking a few things to the plan? I feel confident it will happen, just be patient!


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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby Tivo_Kenevil » 04 Sep 2020 09:58

19 stories. Should be bigger.

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby cowboyeagle05 » 04 Sep 2020 10:32

Its big enough.
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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby emmasensei » 04 Sep 2020 16:32

yaaaaaaaaay! This might be a Top 3 project for me. Very happy to see it's alive!

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Re: Uptown Dallas: Central Market at McKinney and Lemmon

Postby R1070 » 04 Sep 2020 20:37

Tivo_Kenevil wrote:19 stories. Should be bigger.

I think this scale will be nice for that lot. Whatever it turns out being will be way better than the suburban mess across the street.


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