R1070 wrote:Yep! There was a re-do in the works, but that just disappeared. It needs to be completely gutted and rebuilt.
Hannibal Lecter wrote:I visited Thanksgiving Square today for probably the first time in almost 40 years. Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. They need to just lock the gates.
dfwcre8tive wrote:Primarily from the dog waste and surrounding dog owners, or more?
willyk wrote:Raising money from a lot of small donors has a low chance of success without a lead donor. The park needs to find an invidual or corporation to lead the renovation, and even grant naming rights if necessary. Kelcy Warren for KWP, Robert Decherd for the Belo Gardens and the recently approved parks, AT&T for the PAC. These are examples of how these projects get done.
cowboyeagle05 wrote:I used to manage the coffee shop at the Mosaic years ago and watched dog owners send Thanksgiving Square into further disrepair more than previous lack of maintenance.
Matt777 wrote:cowboyeagle05 wrote:I used to manage the coffee shop at the Mosaic years ago and watched dog owners send Thanksgiving Square into further disrepair more than previous lack of maintenance.
Mosaic has a huge empty terrace area near the pool terrace that could be converted into a dog park. They could build it to where it can be easily cleaned by power hose and then drained. They should be forced to do it.
jrd1964 wrote:CTroy, I'll have to find the pic, but the donor list sign has a typo. I don't remember what it was off-hand.
willyk wrote:Raising money from a lot of small donors has a low chance of success without a lead donor. The park needs to find an invidual or corporation to lead the renovation, and even grant naming rights if necessary. Kelcy Warren for KWP, Robert Decherd for the Belo Gardens and the recently approved parks, AT&T for the PAC. These are examples of how these projects get done.
jrd1964 wrote:When I worked downtown, Thanks-Giving Square was an automatic go-to for dog-walkers. They didn't try to go anywhere else.
f4shionablecha0s wrote:Phillip Johnson was such a hack. I don't think Thanksgiving Square can be saved from the incredibly stupid design choices. Why not bulldoze it and start over? Hell, with so many other parks going in why not just sell it to someone so they can put a new tower on the site?
Hannibal Lecter wrote:dfwcre8tive wrote:Primarily from the dog waste and surrounding dog owners, or more?
The first thing you see walking in the west entrance is the gravel area covered in dog waste. Not one of the water features was working. What are supposed to be grassy areas are as much mud as grass. Lots of dead vegetation. The waterway coming down the hill from the west was full of mud where it is crosses under a sidewalk -- it obviously hadn't worked in a long time. The large gold sculpture at the west entrance looks badly scratched up. The entire park has a feeling like something from a 10-years-after-the-zombie-apocalypse movie. We didn't see one other person the entire time we were there -- on a very nice afternoon with lots of folks around downtown. I guess that's a good thing, because it would be embarrassing for tourists to see it. Hell, I was embarrassed for my son to see it.
CTroyMathis wrote:There are actually very many current forum member names displayed on a wall at Thanks-Giving Square near the office entrance thanks to Noah's initiatives. People who have donated. This is a place that is particularly special to so many, and, it is well-known that there are issues. It has been worse, yet, much improvement yet to come. I will do anything to make or help it improve. I'm not the only one in my family, or, on this forum that has or will put it all down on this Square. (Triangle) Let's get the UN Flag up where it's supposed to be when we're really cleaned up and flowing properly. And, green.
Hannibal Lecter wrote:I visited Thanksgiving Square today for probably the first time in almost 40 years. Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. They need to just lock the gates.
Austin55 wrote:Hannibal Lecter wrote:I visited Thanksgiving Square today for probably the first time in almost 40 years. Absolutely disgusting and embarrassing. They need to just lock the gates.
I take it the chair and lights initiative success hasn't lived on?
dfwcre8tive wrote:All very real observations; thank you. You also forgot to mention the lack of accessibility (typical for its age), uneven pavement, and worn interiors. The downturn in garden maintenance started about 10 years ago when metal thieves stripped away copper electrical wiring (lighting), bronze drain grates (preventing lightweight sandy soil from clogging and breaking fountain pumps), and dedication plaques (identifying the place). Excessive dog usage combined with shade (Thanksgiving Tower blocks all sunlight in winter) results in regular mud runoff. Skateboarders use the gold ring as a ramp. While many of the causes have been identified and are now being funded/addressed (sprinklers, fountain pump replacement, lighting, signage, security) the major issues like adjusting the landscape slope and improving accessibility require a larger redevelopment plan.
Thanks-Giving Square does receive a lot of visitors and people leave rave reviews, despite the obvious issues that are present. The space is frequently being used for rallies, prayer vigils, worship services, and community gatherings, so more people are seeing the value in the place.
dfwcre8tive wrote:jrd1964 wrote:CTroy, I'll have to find the pic, but the donor list sign has a typo. I don't remember what it was off-hand.
If you remember, let me know. I will take a closer look as well.
jrd1964 wrote:dfwcre8tive wrote:jrd1964 wrote:CTroy, I'll have to find the pic, but the donor list sign has a typo. I don't remember what it was off-hand.
If you remember, let me know. I will take a closer look as well.
Found it. I'd taken pix of all the new signage one day and meant to post it to the forum but didn't get to it. Anyway, toward the bottom of the original donors list:
"John & Jode Johnson / Johson & Gibbs, P.C."
Shouldn't it be Johnson & Gibbs?
lakewoodhobo wrote:My favorite typo is DALLLAS on a plaque at Pioneer Plaza.
dfwcre8tive wrote:Cafe Momentum is building a 4,500 sq. ft. Community Services Center in the Pedway retail area (former bank space) at Thanks-Giving Square.
https://dallasinnovates.com/from-cafe-m ... e-funding/
lakewoodhobo wrote:dfwcre8tive wrote:Cafe Momentum is building a 4,500 sq. ft. Community Services Center in the Pedway retail area (former bank space) at Thanks-Giving Square.
https://dallasinnovates.com/from-cafe-m ... e-funding/
Great news and perfect use of that tunnel space. Does Cafe Momentum ever host outdoor dinners in the square? Seems like it would be a great way to raise funds for both organizations, but particularly park maintenance and renovations.
mdg109 wrote:What renovation is planned for the triangle nearest Cafe Momentum? Are there any long term plans to shorten the wall along Bryan Street?
ArtVandelay wrote:My kiddo loves the water features (that are in working order). The litter box is off putting as are the junkies/bums lurking around the blind spots. I hope the renovation happens.
Tnexster wrote:Does anybody know if they have any plans to clean up the water in the fountains so it doesn't look brown?
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