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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 10 Oct 2019 19:42
by R1070
Would love to see some other uses along there as well with hotel, residential, possibly retail.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 10 Oct 2019 20:07
by dzh
Hillwood just doesn't seem to understand urban design (neither does Crow really for that matter). I really don't expect to see much more than some office buildings with restaurants and retail at the bottom. I think the developments will be successful, but better things could've been built ultimately. I also doubt that they'll be linked well (the brochures will sure show them being linked perfect though haha).

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 10 Oct 2019 22:20
by willyk
Chipotle under construction.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 11 Oct 2019 10:03
by exelone31
It's not my money, but I would have liked to see retail along the parkside too. Having the exclusive tenant lounge and lobby face the little one acre park seems like a bit of a waste.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Oct 2019 18:55
by Zmitz
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... ing-pizza/

Olivella's is frequently busy even on non-game days. Hopefully something just as solid can replace it.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Oct 2019 16:15
by Cbdallas
Two new separate Italian restaurants, one upscale one causal opened around the corner this was inevitable.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 11:39
by DallasMan
Have we seen this drawing for the North End next to Victory?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 12:04
by dallaz
^^^Where did you get that from? I’ve never seen that.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 12:08
by Tnexster
So that would be the potential replacement for the Northend Apartments?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 12:41
by muncien
That is most certainly the North End Apartments land... Use the pool for The House in the background for reference. You can also see Cirque (bottom of pic) and The Perot (peaking out at top) as other bookends. Note: my image is flipped when opened. If you are looking at it true, the Cirque is bottom/right and Perot is bottom/left of pic.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 12:48
by Tnexster
Nice but ambitious.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 12:52
by Zmitz
DallasMan wrote:Have we seen this drawing for the North End next to Victory?


Easily the most interesting VP news in a while! We must know where you got this, I imagine what that land could be every day when I walk by it.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 13:05
by muncien
Hard to tell exactly, but I'm counting about 50 floors on the tall one... maybe two or three more.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 13:20
by Tivo_Kenevil
It will be interesting to see what they do on the Houston st. side. That side of the North End Apartment is dying for some street interaction. To bad the W, and the other builds on the other side have their buttholes (parking exits) facing the street.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 13:25
by clcrash19
Probably not going to happen unfortunately. Not enough demand to build all of that anytime soon.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 16 Oct 2019 13:27
by DPatel304
clcrash19 wrote:Probably not going to happen unfortunately. Not enough demand to build all of that anytime soon.


Yeah, this is definitely very pie in the sky. With that said, I'm completely okay with that, because I'd rather see something very ambitious done here even if it means we have to wait a while for it.

The only way I could see this happening in the near future is if we got another Uber-caliber relocation.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 25 Oct 2019 10:45
by DallasMan
FYI, this picture was from Gensler's office.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 25 Oct 2019 11:21
by eburress
Tnexster wrote:So that would be the potential replacement for the Northend Apartments?


Lol, how crazy would it be if that rendering became the next step in the evolution of this piece of land; from garden-style apartments to THAT?!? :)

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 26 Oct 2019 14:42
by Tnexster
clcrash19 wrote:Probably not going to happen unfortunately. Not enough demand to build all of that anytime soon.


That's how I feel about all of these plans that come out showing multiple high rise towers. The only one that might pull that off is Harwood if they can secure enough takers for Harwood 12 and if and when they do is there demand for another one of those? Probably not.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 28 Oct 2019 09:52
by DPatel304
eburress wrote:
Tnexster wrote:So that would be the potential replacement for the Northend Apartments?


Lol, how crazy would it be if that rendering became the next step in the evolution of this piece of land; from garden-style apartments to THAT?!? :)


I know it's crazy ambitious, but I would hope that would be the next evolution. It's a large piece of prime real estate, and I'd rather just see it stay as the North End apartments until there is enough demand to really go big. We don't have many pieces of land of this size in a location this good left, so best to just sit and wait. If this was a sea of surface lots, I might be in more of a rush to see this developed, but I'm okay being stuck with this apartment complex for a while.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 28 Oct 2019 23:26
by willyk
Between the plans for this site, the Harwood Forum site, the Hillwood bank site and the former museum site, the corner of Field and Woodall is destined to go tall.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 14 Nov 2019 23:32
by willyk
Coming soon to VP: Aqua S Ice Cream

https://aquas.us.com/

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 11:22
by dalbert
Escapology opening tomorrow in between Cinepolis and Mesero. Another solid driver of non-event foot traffic.

https://www.escapology.com/en/dallas-(victory-park)-tx/

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 15 Nov 2019 16:13
by lakewoodhobo
willyk wrote:Chipotle under construction.


Update from today

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Nov 2019 16:06
by DPatel304
DallasMan wrote:Have we seen this drawing for the North End next to Victory?


I totally didn't take into account how close the North End will be to the new Museum Way DART station. Perhaps once things start moving forward with D2, we might see a bit more interest in this particular development? I know it's very ambitious and pie and in the sky, but having this much real estate in a location like this attached to a DART station will be pretty damn attractive.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Nov 2019 18:20
by Tivo_Kenevil
lakewoodhobo wrote:
willyk wrote:Chipotle under construction.


Update from today

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When's it open?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Dec 2019 09:59
by dalbert
Chipotle is now open

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Dec 2019 10:11
by Tivo_Kenevil
I went to Chipotle yesterday. Line was out the door. There needs to more fast casual in the area. Jimmy John's is still there; but it's Jimmy John's... I'd like to see maybe a Torchy's or something along those lines.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Dec 2019 12:43
by Warrior2015
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I went to Chipotle yesterday. Line was out the door. There needs to more fast casual in the area. Jimmy John's is still there; but it's Jimmy John's... I'd like to see maybe a Torchy's or something along those lines.

How was the foot traffic overall in that area when you went?

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 13 Dec 2019 13:37
by Tivo_Kenevil
Warrior2015 wrote:
Tivo_Kenevil wrote:I went to Chipotle yesterday. Line was out the door. There needs to more fast casual in the area. Jimmy John's is still there; but it's Jimmy John's... I'd like to see maybe a Torchy's or something along those lines.

How was the foot traffic overall in that area when you went?


Pretty good actually for a Thursday at noon. What's interesting is that a lot of the new restaurants are more dinning options. They don't actually open until after 4pm. So I think the area could use more fast casual restaurants; especially since the new hillwood project is bringing in more office folks.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 17 Dec 2019 13:23
by Zmitz
willyk wrote:Coming soon to VP: Aqua S Ice Cream

https://aquas.us.com/


This is now under construction, in the space inbetween Mesero and Escapology. Not sure how much of the remaining space it will take up.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 21 Jan 2020 10:28
by lakewoodhobo
Kooky ice cream shop from Australia floats into Dallas' Victory Park
http://dallas.culturemap.com/news/resta ... -australia

Aqua S originated in Sydney in 2015 and has stores across Asia as well as in Virginia Beach, Virginia, and Houston, where it debuted in 2018.

It's being brought to Dallas by a franchisee, Minh Yam, and will open in Victory Park, at 2375 Victory Park Ln., #140, a couple doors down from Mesero and almost across from Tristan Simon restaurant Billy Can Can.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 05 Feb 2020 09:43
by Zmitz
This is a pretty minor opening, but Fiction Coffee opened up their stand in One Victory Park's lobby. It's open from 7:00am to 2:30pm and so far seems to be a welcome addition. Now something just needs to go into the large retail space that has sat empty for years...

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 09:29
by jetnd87
Stars' owner acquires two tracts of land from Hillwood adjacent to AAC to develop a hotel, conference center, and other entertainment / retail options.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tory-park/

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 09:32
by lakewoodhobo
“We can now begin planning a fabulous hotel, conference center and other entertainment-related opportunities that may arise,” he said. “This will only enhance the great experience all AAC’s patrons have when they attend building events.”

Northland Properties bought the land – almost 2.5 acres – from Hillwood, the original developer of the 75-acre Victory Park project.

Currently the blocks are used for surface parking.


The two tracts are Lots A and F. Great to see another hotel coming to VP and the arena completely surrounded by construction.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 10:20
by Tnexster
That plus Hillwood's new tower should pretty much render AAC invisible.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 12:27
by Zmitz
Hopefully we can see some more memorable architecture for at least one of these buildings, and some good street level activation.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 13:27
by homeworld1031tx
Lot F is the almost exclusively handicapped spot lot. I wonder what the implications of removing those dedicated spots are.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 14:34
by Tivo_Kenevil
homeworld1031tx wrote:Lot F is the almost exclusively handicapped spot lot. I wonder what the implications of removing those dedicated spots are.


Nothing given that they'll have parking in the garage that will accompany the new building

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 14:48
by Kelley USA
I would think Tom Gaglardi would want to make some sort of statement with his building!

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 16:00
by Cbdallas
I would have never thought we would be looking at most of Victory Park being built out at this point. Very exciting especially with lower Uptown bumping up next to all of this with even more high rises and hotels.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 16:22
by Warrior2015
Cbdallas wrote:I would have never thought we would be looking at most of Victory Park being built out at this point. Very exciting especially with lower Uptown bumping up next to all of this with even more high rises and hotels.

Yeah and it would be nice if those apartments across from the union and next to Perot museum get bulldozed and turned into a mixed use development better connecting VP with lower uptown.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 17:40
by Tnexster
Warrior2015 wrote:
Cbdallas wrote:I would have never thought we would be looking at most of Victory Park being built out at this point. Very exciting especially with lower Uptown bumping up next to all of this with even more high rises and hotels.

Yeah and it would be nice if those apartments across from the union and next to Perot museum get bulldozed and turned into a mixed use development better connecting VP with lower uptown.


Could happen.....

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 18:40
by THRILLHO
Those apartments need to be bulldozed yesterday. I suppose it's only a matter of time, but gosh they have been such a waste of space that destroys the walkability of that area.

Anyways, happy to see more Victory surface lots building up. This area is a far cry from what it was just a decade ago.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 19 Feb 2020 20:19
by CTroyMathis
North End would've fit a pro baseball park nicely (outfield west) as well with a lot of quirky extra space to spare for high-rise action to block evening sun if you think a little outside of typical ballpark structures and where the mid- or high-rises are actually a part of the ballpark and not separate. Even more, what if the whole field was elevated 50-100 feet above ground to allow for oh, all sorts of things year-round below it at street level. . . Crazy talk.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 20 Feb 2020 06:35
by tamtagon
jetnd87 wrote:Stars' owner acquires two tracts of land from Hillwood adjacent to AAC to develop a hotel, conference center, and other entertainment / retail options.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tory-park/


I was wiki-reading about Northland Properties, to shape a sense of what might get built next to the arena and this stuck out as untrue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northland_Properties

Northland Properties owns all four home arenas for their sports teams: the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Dr Pepper Arena in Frisco, H-E-B Center in Cedar Park, and Sandman Centre in Kamloops.


whatever

Image search of Sandman hotels showed some uninspired snapshots, but maybe Dallas will be start of compelling architecture; the location certainly has strong attributes.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 20 Feb 2020 07:35
by lakewoodhobo
tamtagon wrote:
jetnd87 wrote:Stars' owner acquires two tracts of land from Hillwood adjacent to AAC to develop a hotel, conference center, and other entertainment / retail options.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/rea ... tory-park/


I was wiki-reading about Northland Properties, to shape a sense of what might get built next to the arena and this stuck out as untrue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northland_Properties

Northland Properties owns all four home arenas for their sports teams: the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Dr Pepper Arena in Frisco, H-E-B Center in Cedar Park, and Sandman Centre in Kamloops.


whatever

Image search of Sandman hotels showed some uninspired snapshots, but maybe Dallas will be start of compelling architecture; the location certainly has strong attributes.


Never mind that the AAC is owned by the City of Dallas so someone needs to wikifix that article. But yeah, sadly this is what his tallest new-construction hotels look like.

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Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 20 Feb 2020 08:47
by jetnd87
Well clearly his other hotels are in vastly different types of locations. Let's hope that he elevates the design appropriately for this neighborhood.

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 20 Feb 2020 12:49
by THRILLHO
CTroyMathis wrote:North End would've fit a pro baseball park nicely (outfield west) as well with a lot of quirky extra space to spare for high-rise action to block evening sun if you think a little outside of typical ballpark structures and where the mid- or high-rises are actually a part of the ballpark and not separate. Even more, what if the whole field was elevated 50-100 feet above ground to allow for oh, all sorts of things year-round below it at street level. . . Crazy talk.


Let's airlift the original Rangers stadium and plop it down right there. Its design would compliment AAC nicely and feel like a natural extension of the brick West End aesthetic beyond the freeway. Lift it off the ground like you say to allow for street-level activity and baby you've got a stew going.

Just kidding... unless? ;)

Re: Victory Park 3.0

Posted: 20 Feb 2020 22:04
by itsjrd1964
Sandman has a long way to go as far as name recognition. It was a Canada-only chain until now. The first US property just opened not long ago in Plano adjacent to Granite Park/Legacy, but took quite a while to get built and opened. I wouldn't get too excited about this possibility (or the one at the Blue Star-Las Colinas corner) just yet. I get a lack-of-cash-flow feeling about Sandman, besides the uphill name recognition issue.